Of course, they are meant for fighting, but, does the Ukrainian military truly know how to utilize them correctly?
Nearly a third of the Bradley armored vehicles that the United States has provided to Ukraine may have already been lost or damaged, according to open source data, demonstrating the extent to which Kyiv’s counteroffensive against Russia is proving to be a hard and costly slog.
In January, the Biden administration announced it was sending Ukraine no fewer than 50 Bradley Fighting Vehicles, an armored personnel carrier that pairs heavy firepower with the ability to transport about 10 soldiers.
The New York Times reported Saturday that Ukraine’s 47th Mechanized Brigade is the only unit known to have received the vehicles. And leaked Pentagon documents from February indicate the 47th Brigade was due to receive a total of 99 of them. But other reporting suggests the United States has delivered as many as 109 of the vehicles, which were first deployed on the battlefield in April.
Oryx, an open-source military research group, reports that 34 Bradleys have now been visually confirmed as having been abandoned, damaged, or destroyed. As Insider previously reported, more than a dozen were lost or disabled in a few days of fighting in June, when Ukraine formally announced its bid to retake territory conquered by Russia following last year’s full-scale invasion.
The news is putting a rosy spin on this, but, we keep giving them all sorts of weapons and weapon platforms and they keep blowing through them, and then wanting more and more, and Biden, the Democrats, and many neocon Republicans are happy to comply, rather then spending the money here at home, along with depleting all our own stockpiles. And for what? “Saving Democracy in Ukraine”? The government, including Zelenskyy, are corrupt and almost as bad as Putin. They are no saints. What’s the endgame? Zelenskyy and others are talking about not just kicking Russia out of Ukraine, but, Crimea as well. Where does it stop? How much more will we give them?
Limited battlefield progress hasn’t spooked western allies, Kyiv says
Despite an underwhelming first month of Ukraine’s much-anticipated summer push to liberate territory from Russian forces, Kyiv says its Western backers are not pressuring the country for quick results.
Since the Ukrainian counteroffensive began in June, the fighting has proved tougher than some anticipated, with progress being measured in hundreds of meters as opposed to tens of kilometers.
Ukraine had hoped to use the push to expel a significant amount of Russian forces from Ukrainian soil and turn the tide of the war.
Another offensive, another bit of underperfoming. It’s almost like most Disney movies these days. Saturday was day 508 of the “war” which seems to be slow-marching. What is actually going on, other than Western nations, including some like Japan and South Korea, giving more money and weapons to feed “limited battlefield progress”?
amazing. since the media and the idiots in government tout the Ukrainian offensive as a resounding success.
The NYT, AP, Al Jazeera, CNN, NPR and WSJ talk of the “slow-going” and “rethinking” the counteroffensive. What media are you citing? Reuters was neutral.
Yes, war is nasty business. Materiel gets spent and “blowed-up”.
Mr Teach: And for what? “Saving Democracy in Ukraine”? The government, including Zelenskyy, are corrupt and almost as bad as Putin.
Mr Teach is repeating Russian/Trump propaganda.
…and Rimjob is repeating himself.
Again Rimjob makes no sense so…
Again Rimjob repeats himself
#LetsGoBrandon
Bwaha! Lolgf
and here i was thinking that wars are won by blowing up the other guys stuff and not getting yours blown up.
It’s especially naive to expect no damage repelling an unprovoked invasion from a former major power.
We have 8000 Bradleys
We sent Ukraine 100 older model 2s
Maybe we should send them 500 more.
A resounding success? ???
Russian was supposed to take Kiev in 3 days
That didn’t happen
The Ujraisns are moving slowly steadily forward against the enemy. The ukes are being equally supported by our traditional Euro allies.
Teach as been a long time supporter of Putin
STOP THAT!!
Would you rather have the USA joining the Russia China Iran coalition?
The USA is committed to opposing them.
Stop siding them by repeating the propaganda of our rent enemies
Bradleys are pretty old
Last production was in 1995
We are sending them small amounts of stuff we won’t use against a modern army. They just don’t stand up to modern weapons.
The Ukrainians are making slow steady progress against the side that Teach and Trump are rooting for. They have the momentum and Russian morale is low.
3 days ago tiny Bulgaria agreed to send 100 armored personnel carriers to Ukraine
Famously always neutral Sweden has also just agreed to send more military equipment
Over 45 countries have sent military aid to help Ukraine defend itself from Teach’s friends.
About the same have sent non military aid.
Teach hates Biden (China Joe) so much that he is now allied with Russia China Iran coalition
At this rate, every Russian VFW will have an American made armored vehicle sitting outside it by next year.
It is very likely that the Ukranians are using BFVs properly and every bit as well as American mechanized divisions would. This is the first time that those vehicles have been used in this role against a peer enemy, as they were intended. What we are discovering is only what we knew all along: they aren’t very survivable in combat, no matter who is using them. They replaced the M113 series of vehicles back in the early 70’s and were a huge improvement, but still they would have been easy pickings against Soviet formations back then.
The USA is already in the early stages of designing a replacement. It will again be another huge improvement over the latest Bradly, cost astronomically more, and be just as vulnerable.
As long as the USA only uses out stuff against 3rd and 4th world countries, they work fine.
As Putin said, Go ahead and send more stuff, we will burn it too. And he was right. There are no combat vehicles today anywhere in the world that are invulbnerable.
I find it comical that Hairy and Jeff have become staunch neocons because the Biden administration tells them to. It’s as if they don’t have an original thought between them. There is no reason at all why any American should care about what is happening in the Ukraine, let alone take sides. But for those whose conscience won’t let them sleep at night, I suggest they use their own money, not mine to support this immoral foreign war. Better yet, buy a plane ticket and put your own skin in the game.
“Perfesser” Faux continues his disdain of America and man-love for the hyper-manly Putin!
I find it comical that faux-patriots like the Nutty “Perfesser” have become America-hating MAGAts as if Don Jon Trump waved a magic wand over them depolarizing their brain cells, inserting MAGAnetic thoughts!!
“Perfesser” Faux holds the MAGApinion that Americans should have no interest in Russia’s unprovoked invasion of the their sovereign neighbor, Ukraine. Really? The “Perfesser” would have global bullies invade other nations willy-nilly?
What was the “Perfesser’s” position when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990? I supported the coalition efforts to save Kuwait.
What was his/her position when the US invaded Iraq in 2003? I opposed this US invasion that cost thousands of US lives and a few trillion USD.
We understand the “Perfesser’s” angst but he/she may not understand how America works. As a democratic republic each American does not have a line item veto of how tax monies are allocated. We elect representatives to make those decisions. Mrs Dowd and I still paid substantial taxes during the Iraq debacle without protest. The “Perfesser” also doesn’t appear to understand how the US professional military works. Granted, private citizens can grab their AR-15s and head to Ukraine, just as conservative citizens such as Mr Teach could have fought Saddam in Iraq but chose not to.
Far-right Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) was complaining that President Biden was NOT doing enough for Ukraine against Putin, saying the President was “pussyfooting”! At the same time the Freedom (MAGAt) Cockus (led by Rep’s Gaetz (LOL-FL) and Greene (LOL-GA) supported pulling all aid from Ukraine!!
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