It’s really just that easy!
(The Blaze) Is Melissa Harris-Perry—the MSNBC host who recently declared that kids belong to whole communities— stirring up controversy again?
On today’s episode on finding solutions to poverty, Newsbusters noticed that Harris-Perry’s colleague Chris Hayes appeared in a quick video clip at the end of one segment holding up a handwritten sign with his answer: “Giving people money. It’s actually that easy.â€
The video appeared during Harris-Perry’s show, and Newsbusters’ Mark Finklestein was probably the only person who saw it, being MSNBC and their awesome ratings (sic). Mark points out
Perhaps Hayes hadn’t tuned in to hear Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute make the point that the U.S. already has 126 federal anti-poverty programs that spend $688 billion every year, with state and local programs spending another $280 billion. Almost a trillion given to poor people each year–with no significant impact on reducing poverty!
Liberals have been fighting the “war on poverty” since the 1960’s, and it seems as if their policies continuously make things worse, which makes Chris Hayes’ idea perfect for liberals. Perhaps Melissa and Chris could give most of their cushy salaries away to poor people.
Crossed at Right Wing News and Stop The ACLU.
Gumball,
Isn’t it amazing that “lovebroker” says he and his father are wealthy? How can that be? How is it that he and his dad have not donated their monies to those less fortunate than they are?
I am willing to bet that any money “lovebroker” (which seems to be a synonym for “pimp” if you think about it) not only doesn’t do what he wants others to do, he also itemizes his charitable contributions (small as they may be) on his tax forms.
Wanna take the bet?
I’m gonna have to discuss this one with you GC. While the term “rapture” is not in the bible, it is from some Catholic analysis documents. Can’t recall how long ago it was written. LOOOONNGGG ago. However, the process was understood and described in the Bible by Jesus and the apostles.
The notion of the Rapture has been seen as the “message of hope” by prophetic christians who see the return of Jesus as a two-stage process. Where the first return is the “calling away” of his church to be with him in the clouds to be taken up to heaven for a period of time while Lovebroker’s one world religion and one world government rule the earth. Then at a later time, it is believed, that Jesus will return for the second time to Earth to battle the minions of the Earth and initiate his millennial kingdom on Earth.
I have in fact given up everything you fool and Served as a Franciscan Friar in ther Holy Land. It was I that served the Christian piligrams that came to the Holy Land It was I that replaced the windows in the shrine of St. John the Baptist. I could go on and on but you’re beging to bore me. Good night. Gc get your facts strait before you run your mouth.
keen point GC poverty will always be with us so lets not do anything. very logical conclusion Incidentley the Catholic church does not believe in a rapture. Protestants do.
GC correct my spelling of beginning ok . Thanks old chap
Good night you nutty professors
OMG!! GC, we are talking to a ghost. He’s been dead for hundreds of years, but has come back from the dead to push Socialism, denounce Catholicism and America.
You really, REALLY, don’t know very much do you.
Yes, I caught that GC. He then stated:
“their” holy land????? I guess he’s turned from the faith then.
but note, he earlier said this:
Anyone else see conflicting statements again?
Nope, never heard of it. And if it is in D.C., I don’t give it much credence.
Hmmm… its mission statement does not once mention Jesus or GOD. interesting.
Also, what’s the fascination with Mary? Wasn’t she just a human? Seems to me that a religion should focus more on the tri-head GOD, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. If the Catholic religion worships Mary, why don’t they worship Joseph too?
A solution that you admit you do not practice yourself. Furthermore, as I said, the RCC does not practice your interpretation as well.
Being that Harvard is known for being liberal leaning, Christian hating and hypocritical, I can see where that would be appropriate for you.
But I am curious as to why a person who claims to have studied so much needs to brag about it?
Did you skip the lectures on the sins of boasting and pridefullness?
And yet strangely your only responses to the arguments put forth has been how superior you are.
FACT: Wrong.
Eligibility Requirements of Welfare Programs
A basic lack of gainful employment opportunity through either lack of places of employment or lack of job skill.
A commitment to self-sufficiency is necessary before any potential recipient can begin to receive benefits. Heads of household must enter into an agreement they will become self-sufficient within a certain timeframe.
A commitment to cooperation must be signed by the heads of household that they will comply with and continue all regulations and requirements while receiving aid.
Dependant children must be living in the household. There are some very few exceptions, but generally all dependants must be within the home.
All minors must be attending school during school days.
All minors and dependants must be fully and appropriately immunized.
The recipient must be 18 years of age.
You must be a legal and permanent resident of the state to which you are applying.
You must be a citizen of the United States or a qualified non-citizen legal resident, (restrictions apply).
A commitment to complete accuracy and honesty during the program.
All monetary resources must be divulged. This includes cash within the home, in checking or savings accounts and items of value in possession such as jewelry or electronics.
A household financial budget must be created and adhered to.
I don’t know that and neither do you.
Once again, you demonstrate your ignorance on the subject matter.
The Gumball kid brought up the spoils of war, not me…
I apologize. I thought the post at 23:53:07 quoted below had your name attached to it.
Comment by lovebroker Subscribed to comments via email
2013-05-17 23:53:07
The Iraq war. Where are our spoils?
Silly me for ascribing to you something that has your name attached to it.
Stay on the porch.
Of course I never said or intimated any such thing. You stated that there was a solution that would end poverty. That was shown to be false.
Instead of addressing your shortcomings in understanding what you put out there and want people to believe, you simple construct some sort of argument that has no basis in reality.
I knew that lovebroker. That has nothing to do with the point which is that despite your continued assertion as to how learned you are – and now the assertion that you are an “expert” in religions – you don’t have a clue as to the meaning of the terms you are using.
Does your “secretary” have the dictionary as well?
Previously you stated:
IEvery corporation and please excuse grammer, spelling ect ect cause its late ,lights are out, kids are sleeping.
Now :
I have in fact given up everything you fool and Served as a Franciscan Friar in ther Holy Land.
Did you leave the Friars? (Once again calling into question your commitment) or did you adopt these kids?
Also, Friars take a vow of poverty. How would you become “wealthy” if you are currently a Friar?
Stay on the porch.
Actually GC, he was commenting on my take on why we are America. I made the comment that we have America because we were stronger than the warring American Indians and thus we kept the land that we won during battle and by purchase as the “spoils of war”.
Oh, and LoveMachine, my church’s mission statement mentions Jesus in the first line (following the paragraph about directions). It’s not much of a website I know, but hey, we are not big on bragging.
That’s funny because it was your religion of Social Change that first coined the word.
Thanks for coming to play with us here at Teach’s blog. You have been very entertaining and we have gained much value from your beliefs and insights. I’ve enjoyed this discussion very much. It shows me that we have much work still to do to spread the word about how good America is in this world.
Gumball,
No offense, but I am well aware of the origins of the teaching on the Rapture.
However, “Rapture” is a noun – not a verb as lovebroker used it.
While it is a small detail it is something that someone who is well versed in religion would never say. In using the term “raptured,” the “3 advanced degrees, superior athlete who is celibate with kids” shows he isn’t as smart or learned as he wants us to believe.
Hope that clears that up.
Gumball,
Actually GC, he was commenting on my take on why we are America. I made the comment that we have America because we were stronger than the warring American Indians and thus we kept the land that we won during battle and by purchase as the “spoils of warâ€.
Fair enough. But notice how he made the jump from your comment and deflected it to Iraq which has nothing to do with the point you were making.
He clearly was questioning the US’s involvement in Iraq while trying to tell us how to end suffering and poverty. He clearly doesn’t understand the number of lives that were saved by the US involvement and I don’t believe he cares because that would be counter to his belief system.
That was my point.
Are you guys that simple. I have tried to give you two knuckleheads Gumball and GC a fair amount of respect but your continued personal attacts on me to make an argument are really in poor taste. Not one of your statements are true. When you say there is not a federal work requirement for welfare that is a False! Do Your homework. Yes I left the Friars, Yes when people die you inherit money. Yes I served also in a medical clinic in the Philippines for two years after the friars ( with no compensation to myself) I did not question the Iraq war. ( because that is not the topic.) You have shown nothing to be false in my statements. Here are your arguements Knuckleheads, all very poorly established, and none of which were on point. You have been evicerated and you don’t even now it.A pure mark of insanity. All of your arguements were personal attacts against me. I have never in my life seen two people so misinformed yet still claiming to be right. You are some scary dudes. I knew the argument was won by me when grammer and personal attacks came spewing forth like venon from a snakes . Before you Judge knuckleheads read the entire Social doctrine of the RCC and you will see it supports compassion not socialism.
supporting a higher minimun wage means you are a socialsit that was a good one tooo.. Neither of you offered a better solution to the topic at hand (poverty) Give me a better solution than mine and I will engage that thought. Instead you said I hate America because the I stated a fact that the separation between the rich and poor is growing. Everywhere………..
Do your flipping homework silly geese and apoligize to me about the work requirment to get welfare. ITS A FACTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
RCC killed Indians wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
The dangers of oxymoronic statements… personal attack not substinative( silly goose)
The word Social is part of social docrine and that means socialism( this was your best work GC and is not a silly goose statement its moronic)
Lb hates America
Lb is a troll
LB doesnt practice what he preaches
Christian hating liberal Harvard ahhhh the truth comes out GC what a silly goose ( best medical school in the country which has quite a few Christians.)
Lb is a pimp
Lb is not committed to God
Lb can’t spell
Lb has poor grammer
Its amazing Lb’s Father is wealthy wow( huge conflict here). My FAther supports and has supported 2 Philippino children since birth. ( adopt a child program) I dont control my Father
Lb I bet doesn’t give to charity . silly goose
rapture is not a verb ( wow) that was good GC are you in 2nd grade? Silly goose
Lb has turned from the faith ( their refers to those that keep the Holy Land accessible for all Christians, which are the Friars currently serving there . Silly goose
My church says Jesus, Jesus Jesus , Jesus woww I want to join silly at best
Why don’t you worship Joseph too uhh cause we dont worship Mary either silly goose
3 advanced degrees and Mcdonalds all american basketball blah blah deflection deflection nooooooo morons this was to establish my Americanism ( is that a word GC you silly goose).
another social progressive bent on destroying religious studies wow.. Everything I stated is not my Doctrine it is the Doctrine of ther RCC .. ( you have attacked another christian church good job boys. BIG silly gooose here!!!! (Voted for the Bushes 4 times)
Another one goes down we win ,we are right …. silly goose
It was shown to be false that poverty can’t be stopped. silly geese can we then at least stop the 30,000 children dieing from starvation each and every day?? Yes we can knuckleheads
gumball kid said we took the land from the Indians because of the spoils of war, I repled ( you big silly goose) in a silly way where are the spoils from Iraq because the Gum ball kid said it was a rule of war to take the spoils… big silly goose here GC you are not an honest person and lack all integrety. I can assure you GC you have been evicerated
The trinity is a Catholic Doctrine which most Christian churchs copy. Thats right copy. silly goose.
I am glad you find me funny, I found both of you in a desperate spiritual state lacking any moral compass or sense of morality. Evidenced by your personal attacks rather than a substinative arguement. Nice try boys .
can you too guys pray for me? Yes you can Thanks … we as Catholics believe Mary can pray for us too. Silly geese
Notice the verb usage of rapture you silly goose GC
tr.v. rap·tured, rap·tur·ing, rap·tures
To enrapture.
rap·ture
[rap-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, rap·tured, rap·tur·ing.
noun
1.
ecstatic joy or delight; joyful ecstasy.
2.
Often, raptures. an utterance or expression of ecstatic delight.
3.
the carrying of a person to another place or sphere of existence.
4.
the Rapture, Theology . the experience, anticipated by some fundamentalist Christians, of meeting Christ midway in the air upon his return to earth.
5.
Archaic. the act of carrying off.
Please Gc correct the spelling and grammer ( it seems thats all your good for) and save your bigoted comments for someone else. I’ve done to much and seen too much in my life to be phased by a snot nosed kids that think they know everything about the world.
I already know your response so save your breath , it will be more psycho-bable and (Not facutual that was really commical! Not Factual, Not factual, Not Factual I can name 3 catholic founding Fathers what a joke.
and you didn’t capitalize catholic toooooooooo and you put too many oooo’s on to
and my head is up my a@# You boys didn’t get that proctological exam the GOP was calling for did you? Make sure you guys take your heads out first. Guys like you have high jacked the GOP just like abdul has high jacked islam. You have made the GOP a non viable party for any rational centerist.
The mediatore di amore is done! Good riddens.
Understood. I just wanted to make sure that no lines were crossed during this great 3-way discussion.
And yes, I noticed ALL of the deflections and the vastness of his hypocrisy. And, you’d think with 3 advanced degrees and one in Philosophy of Religion (bwwwahahhaa… another social\progressive bent on destroying religious studies) that he would fully understand the dangers of oxymoronic statements.
No offense meant. I was sharing my bit of knowledge and wanted to make sure that you knew that that bit of discussion was for you and not specifically directed at LB. And then I wanted to make sure that he understood what he was talking about when he spoke of “Rapture” in the religious context.
Another one goes down. Now only if john would be this fun. He’s just…. funny.
Not only did we do our homework, we gave a source to back up what we were saying.
That would be good except I never made that claim.
I seem to remember you admitting this. Now you want to blame me for pointing out the obvious? For pointing out what you say you know to be true?
In a discussion on the internet normally people don’t care about spelling and grammar. It only comes into play when people start telling others how intellectually superior they are. You not only opened the door, you stepped through it and now want to whine that someone is holding you accountable for your statements.
In the end lovebroker, what it came down to is that you refused to accept responsibility for your own statements and positions. For someone who claimed to be all the things you have, you simply don’t have the chops to be what you say you are.
But let’s get down to the basic points:
You tried to condemn the United States for its past without ever holding the RCC accountable for the same concepts.
You failed to address how if the principle is so great, why isn’t it working in areas populated heavily by Catholics? Instead of yelling at people and saying how superior you are to everyone else, if you had posited an idea on why that is or how to overcome that obvious flaw, you might have had people on your side. Instead, when it was pointed out to you, you reacted the same way that you did to everything – you declared the weight of your argument and your superiority was sufficient to carry the day. Even in your last missive you take the tone of “how dare you peasants question me!”
You failed to address the idea that either you have a misconception concerning the principle or the RCC is not following their own teachings. Once again, your responses were to deflect and claim superiority.
You failed to respond to how if the principle was so great, how you and your own father don’t adhere to it.
You failed to demonstrate even basic knowledge of the Bible and its teachings. The more you talked the odder this got as you claimed to have advanced degrees in religion and were a Franciscan Monk.
From the very beginning, Gumball asked you specific questions on how to implement the “principle,” – questions which you failed to address.
You made the ridiculous claim that American citizens giving to charity is the same thing as a corporate tax break.
In the end, most of us here would agree with you on the idea that lowering poverty (it will never end) can be accomplished by increased personnel responsibility toward others, as well as increased personnel accountability by those in poverty. That would mean no government intervention which you advocated. Clearly there is a “heart of man” issue that helps contribute to poverty. There are those who are selfish which is contrary to the teachings of Christ. There are those who feel entitled, which is also contrary to the teachings of Christ.
The lowering of poverty will never be accomplished by people who come onto a blog, claim they are superior, claim they have the answer, and then not do what they say others should do.
(Perhaps another Biblical reference here of “Be doers of the Word and not hearers only” is appropriate.)
You got caught and instead of actually talking, discussing and listening, you decided that we should all bow down to your greatness. Sorry. Ain’t gonna happen.
Have a nice day.
No…. nope, I’m not feeling the love from this one.
And there you show ignorance again. The GOP is not a centrist organization. Some in the leadership have tried to make it so, but it is more center-right, and right-field. No, not far right as in Anarchy. It has been the centrists, the RINOS that have hijacked the GOP.
And, I can tell here that you are not very learned and tend towards worldly social\progressive ideals, Islam was not hijacked by Abdul. Islam hijacks souls like Abdul’s and corrupts their minds so that all they think of is anger, evil, destroy, and revenge.
You really should know this since the cult of Islam is the enemy of your religion.
But, I forgive you because you’ve obviously spent alot, ALOT, of time out in the boonies and away from technology. You may even have missed that Islam attacked America and killed over 3,000 people in several attacks on our soil. And they have killed thousands of our boys and girls on foreign soil. They’ve even gone after their own brethren as well. They are evil, sick people. Corrupted by a vile message of hate and revenge.
So, it looks like you have a lot of reading and tv watching to do, so we’ll let you to it. Thanks for trying to stay with us. Next time, please ask your Secretary to type for you. The train of thought would be much easier to follow. (Geez, wish I could afford a secretary. But then I just work for a living.)
Pentecost is here knuckleheads, repent and be saved. Allow the Holy Spirit to work within you. 6pm Vigil I’ll be there. You can too if you’ve healed from your evisceration that is. When your church survives for 2000 years free from scandal and mistakes give me a call.
Every Christian Church has cherry picked from Catholicism what it deems to be the truth. I love that ,then they degrade the very source of their enlightenment.
I have a hard time believing you have a job gumball. Good for you.
I sure GC needs a job too so perhaps he could follow me around the blogosphere and correct my grammer and spelling. With my intellect and his keen eye for language we could conquer the internet. $15/ hr knucklehead
Help minimize poverty give money to the poor. Amen
Help minimize poverty stop acquiring more than you need. Amen
allow the HS to cleanse you knuckleheads, open your heart, open your mind the HS will do the rest.
You knuckleheads really must have prayed for me cause I’m still entertaining your madness.
oh one point about the Domincan House of Study D.C. …. calling that institution a progressive school , is like calling Rush a Liberal.
who loves ya baby? well Telly Savalas and……
mediatore di amore
planting seeds in a barren waistland.
Can’t ya just feel the love from this guy?
As opposed to what other church? A Buddhist Temple? You can’t be talking about the RCC as such a statement of “being free from scandal” is so ridiculous it borders upon the delusional
Actually, Catholicism walked away from the truth a long time ago and then tried to suppress those who sought the truth of God.
From your comments it is clear that like many in the RCC, you worship the church and not God.
And here I thought that it was the sacrifice and atonement of Christ that cleansed us. Funny how someone so “intellectually superior” can’t even get the basics right.
Once again, stay on the porch lovebroker.
Knucklehead,you really are a functional illiterate, the Holy Spirit cleanses your heart and brain to make them pleasing to God. ( it should be very easy for you to let the spirit in since your heart and brain are void of any substance pleasing to GOD) Evidenced by your hatred of the poor ( takers and makers) You will not recognize Jesus when he returns. Your reply when seeing Jesus will go something like this… Look at that Lazy, Alcholic ,homeless bum, who didn’t get a good education and he deserves his lot in life. I can’t wait!!!!!! ( pentecost is hear , repent, be saved, let the Holy Spirit in. I am a voice of one calling out from the desert make strait the path for the Lord . Stop condemning the poor and help them. ( people on welfare are lazy, bums who are living fat off the Hog on other people’s money.) I am certain you believe this. Repent and be saved.
The reason you can’t feel the love is because you verbally attacked me and attempted to belittle me for no reason and the Holy Spirit has put shame in your heart. I am returning the favor Mr. Simpleton. ( can’t turn the cheek when your soul is at stake here.) donkey
Wow are you dense
The RCC has had numerous scandal’s and mistakes. call me when your church has survived for 2000 years and is scandle free.
But I’m sure Guys like you don’t attend a church cause you just go up on top of a mountain and communine with God. I’m sure you read the Bible and the Holy Spirit has inspired all the wealth of fasle knowledge you have. The Holy Spirit can’t enter a vessel like you that is filled with hatred for those that don’t subscribe to your unfettered anarcho- capitalism , maker and the takers mentality. The Holy Spirit will bring you to your knees very soon. Repent, be saved. I know even though you are a complete donkey, Jesus still loves you so I’m doing my best to give you a kick in the donkey and wake you up. Repent and be saved
Minimize poverty give money to the poor. Amen
Minimize poverty and stop acquiring more than you need. Amen
no thanks needed , its my Job( seriously it is)
mediatore di Amore
wow lots of spelling errors here GC( donkey) I need ya man, and missed you at the 6 pm vigil.
Wow. You sure have that loving spirit don’t you?
Ummm…. what evidence?
The more likely reason is that you have no love to give or show. What you have said demonstrates you don’t do things out of love, but rather to lift yourself up in your eyes and in the eyes of men.
No one tried to belittle you. You did that yourself. You tried to come here telling people what they should do when you won’t do it yourself. You tried to lie about your own church’s teachings and you got caught.
Now, like a petulant child, you are lashing out in all directions – claiming to be holy and in God’s grace but without a shred of fruit to back up that claim.
Wow. There is so much wrong with this thought it is difficult to know where to begin. First you say the Holy Spirit cleanses the heart and now you are saying the Holy Spirit fills a person with “false knowledge.” Of course that is contrary to scripture but I suspect that doesn’t matter to you.
It is stunning that you seem to have an ability to make statements that continually contradict your own positions. Once you have done that, you claim that others are dense or blame your failures on others. It is fascinating to watch in a train wreck sort of way.
How’s that log in your eye doing?.
Displaying ignorance is your job?
WOW.. So much here. Where to start.
For one to claim to be a Phd Christian, and to have given up all material goods to be a Friar, and to have supposedly voluntarily served for free for 2 years (congrats for being able to afford to do this), you sure do have alot of hate in your heart for people who disagree with you.
I fear for your soul here. Isn’t Jesus all about love and honor no matter the incident or person? Aren’t you supposed to love your enemies? And, name calling has been your specialty since the start of this. Double Shame upon you. You give Christianity a very bad mark. People like you give ammo to athiests and god-haters who claim Christians are hypocrites. YOu’ve done nothing here on this blog to dispel that notion. Shame.
Incorrect again. GOD loves every one of his creations. We are all pleasing in his sight. He loves each and every one of us, so much, that he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for us sinful heathens. So that, we can accept Jesus’ sacrifice, HIS sacrifice, accept that Jesus is LORD, and then the Holy Spirit comes upon us to give us a spiritual cleansing. The Holy Spirit does not come until after we accept GOD. GOD always accepts us no matter who we are or how we come to him. Go read the Bible yourself. It’s in there.
Blasphemy. You are now claiming to be John the Baptist? You claim to be the foremost expert on GOD and Christianity, but yet you Blaspheme against GOD?!?! No, how dare you sir! It is you, SIR, that needs to repent!
None of us here have condemned the poor except you. You just did so again here. Not very Christian of you.
The Holy Spirit does not do that. Again, you fail at all aspects of Christian knowledge.
Thank you for finally acknowledging this fact. FOr example, the RCC protecting and promoting pedophiles. And denying it ever existed in the church. Attacking the victims of priest pedophilia.
What difference does it make how I commune with GOD? I find a mountain top to be the most spiritual place for me to commune with my lord and savior. Am sure dark underground dungeons are your special places.
I dunno GitarCarver… all I hear is Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Love.
It was so nice to hear from you on this arbitrary day the sabbath is generally celebrated, peace and good will to you and may your evisceration be well.. when did we demonize the poor you ask?? Are you for real?? That reminds me of when did we give you water Jesus, When did we feed you Jesus. Here is your progression.
Silly goose,knucklehead,donkey…… next is the goat. Yes Jesus will Separate the people by nations… the sheep and the goats…. those that have helped the poor and those who have accentuated the rise of poverty or not helped the poor. ( this is obviously way beyond your spiritual awareness ,so I don’t expect you to understand that ( which I’m sure will be responded to by NOT Factual, you are blasphemous,or you worship Mary, or you can’t use raptured as a verb in a religious context ( good stuff yikess) ,or the RCC supports pedophilia, or the Holy Spirit dosen’t do that( which certainly is true in both of your cases at least). A heart and mind that are pleasing to God can understand God’s will. hmmm some one called Jesus blasphemous too. … interesting and your reply will be… so now you say your Jesus blasphemy,blasphemy… too which I will reply are you in 2nd grade?
Oh, no I am not John the Baptist thanks for the comparision. I am a voice of one calling out from the desert make strait the path for the Lord. Repent and be saved.
The policies you support hurt the poor. Not paying a living working wage hurts the poor. When you support paying someone $7.25/hr because of the words “FREE MARKET” you are blinded by right wing Ideology and are accentuating poverty. When you say its ok that people don’t have usable health care because of the “Free Market” you are accentuating poverty. When you say if only the market was more free, then we could help the poor, you are blinded by right wing ideology. Supporting unfettered capitalism hurts the poor…….. your Christianity is blinded by right wing Ideology. When you beleive its ok for people to accumulate unprecidented wealth in the USA because of the “FREE MARKET ” yet 30,000 children die from starvation each day… your Christianity is blinded by right wing Ideology. I suppose I may be as right wing as both of you donkeys( Gumball and GC) on many issues ,but I draw the line when it comes to the poor. and now you respond…. if we give the poor everything then they won’t want to do anything like work. ( let us remember its the Walmart and burger flippers that are consuming the welfare funds . “They are called the working poor” they work a minimun of 36 hours a week and are on welfare and let us not forget the Africans and the Philippino’s ect ect ect ect . You still disput this fact about the work requirement, not sure why? Anyone politically active knows this to be the truth as it was a huge GOP talking point prior to the election ( obamas trying to get rid of the work requirerment to receive welfare) which never happened nor was it true. May I suggest your research on this matter was very poor. I’ll give you a redue this time but your not going to get out of 2nd grade if you keep this up! Speaking about second grade My second grader just got his Iowa test results back on Friday and he was in the top 1% nationally in Math and top 4% in English ( perhaps he should edit my work since GC ,I guess ,is not interested). Not sure why I told you that but I’m just so proud of the little guy and I’ve been talking to you guys quite a bit ( arguing with you guys quite a bit) heck your like family almost. When you say Americans give 360 billion to charity ( more accurately put: takes a 360 billion dollar tax credit) ( which means they shift that money that would normally go for taxes into non -profits and then the Govt gives them a credit ( money back, actually no money changes hands between donor and Gov. here I assume you get that). Many of these non profits on both sides are actually political non- profits ( like Carl Roves cross roads or move on or code pink,museums,art gallery, libraries ect ect very very little money gets to the poor through this method ( well none from the ones I just mentioned) Certainly there are good charities that do great work and they are a great blessing to the poor but to suggest Americans give 360 billion dollars to charity is woefully in accurate and dishonest…. I’m accepting that your 360 billion dollar figure is accurate ( I have no Idea if it is) Next you will say we spend so much now helping the poor and nothing changes. Correct nothing changes because that is how a Free Market works ( the wealth is always controlled by those that have it even when they give some of it away.. Wealth eventuality is consolidated to a very few people. The world wide data on this phenominon is really undisputable so please don’t say Factually False else I will move you to defcon 5, the Goat stage. Goats don’t get to play with Jesus at recess. I’m assuming you guys still have your recess privileges and have not been put in detention. There are studies that suggest a 1% tax per year on the worlds billionaires “wealth” would end life threatning poverty . No one would die from being poor. I believe that study. Of course the logistics of it would be overwhelming , but It still could be done. Oh and the larger point… we can’t do that because of the FREE MARKET. AND!!! I all ready know your next question. No I don’t support forcing billionares at gun point to give thier money to the poor.
I support changing the minds of people to see that this is the right thing to do.
Stewardship Ideally should be the method to help the poor, this has failed. Period.next argument for discussion if you choose to accept it will be …. you choose door number 1 – Iraq war ,door number 2- Abdul and Radical Islam. Door number 3 Palestine and Israel conflict. Door number 4 Donkey’s choice… how about the RCC then we can beat up each other faiths thats always fun. I really can’t play that game cause I dont know your faith other than the , I think, you said you are Christians and I take you at your word even if your beliefs you express on this thread are in conflict with that. Did you know that if you are baptized in a Christian Church such as Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian ect ect and then you decide to join the Catholic Church, You do not have to be re- baptised the RCC accepts that as a valid Bapitism ( which makes perfect sense, their beliefs after all are directly from the RCC. However guess which baptism is not a valid Christian baptism… drum role please…………..The Mormons not valid according to the RCC.
Sorry for the disconnects and fuildity here but I’ve got so many thoughts inside this noggin it just hard to organize them all.( I married my secretary and she won’t help me any more. Go figure)
Oh I just remembered a crazy thing called love.. oh not that umm I remember your little 2nd grade comment about if you don’t work you don’t eat from THE BIBLE that was so cute I’m just going to give you a silly goose on that one. Context(within the bible) and historical context is everything my friend, can I call you my friend or do you prefer donkey? Anyway of course I know it and of course Pauls letter must be read in context with situation the early church was facing. When you take one line from a Book and turn it into Doctrine you run the risk of .. well ending up at Waco or with Jimmy Jones, or 30,000 children dying every single day from not eating ( which I guess makes perfect sense they are not working!!, incidentley the USA does have the work requirment for food stamps and it paul’s letter does not say if you don’t work you die. You see any one can go to the Bible and prove any point they want, virtually any point. The bible is not a history book it is a Theology book,it is very important to understand that. Let us remember the bible is a theology book you can not look at revelation( which I mentioned in my opening ) and say Not Factual because when you read the words and it means something else to you. So important to get off the mountain and find a good Christian church to help you. Right now your like a hamster in a wheel. Working hard but not progressing. ( preferably one that does not preach the prosperity gospel.) Christian Preachers living in multi million dollar houses. Only in America does this happen…thats the free market at work and these churchs warp the minds of the people. I know your next response ( the wealth of the Catholic church) which any studied person would know is in Land and Art which all Christians are free to enjoy and use( private property used for the good of all Christians hmmmm. The RCC operates at a deficit,I repeat again and still is the largest provider of Human services to the poor . The Popes apartment is very modest and Preist makes generally 30-40 k a year…… here is more proof..
For most of the past 2000 years it was easily the largest provider of food, shelter, education, and medical treatment in the world, and continues to deliver those services to Catholics and non-Catholics. The first universities were established by the church, which was also the major source of financial support for science for centuries. ( copied right off the internet, its got to be true) I’m being a silly goose here, but really guys its true everyone knows it ( except you two) Jesus spoke in parable’s becasue of people like you. ( they all ready knew everything so they thought) there was nothing he could teach them and yes I spelled because wrong, but did you noitice I tab a few paragraphs at the start, pretty neat huhh( oh I know it’s not done correct but I’m tried a little. I wish we could just like download my Knowledge and experience into your brains. Much cleaner. Someday we will be able to do that. Then you could really make an educated choice . I was hopeful the HS would help you but he/she doesn’t do that for you.. so oh well.
Help minimize poverty give money to the poor
Help minimize poverty stop acquiring more than you need.
Gc the Holy Spirit will bring you to your knees very soon…. I know blasphemy blasphemy at least you won’t be able to say why didn’t you tell me. Well I’ve told you . I’m done with that mission. Can you feel anything yet????? Not even a tingle down your leg? ? Can we move on chaps
Mediatore di Amore
Boy, I bet that took you a long time to type, didn’t it?
I have to say it was as rambling and disconnected a statement as I have seen in a long time.
Or those who demand others help the poor while not lifting a finger to do so themselves – like yourself.
And your point?
It is always amazing to watch people who claim to have a special revelation or try to justify their beliefs because they always think they are more pure or superior to others.
You really have problems understanding what is being said, don’t you?
We’ve covered this before including a source (which you continually chose to ignore.) Anyone “politically active” knows that the requirement Obama was looking to end was the length of time people couple be on welfare as well as there was some discussion as to remove the requirement that a person not be striving to get off the welfare rolls. That is not the same thing as your claim which is demonstrably false.
And there are contrary studies that indicate that if the world took all of the money from billionaires, things would not change in the long run. So we have a battle of the “studies.” It is also interesting to note that the studies in which you believe all demand action from governments to seize the money from people. Once again we see that despite your claim to the contrary, you want government intervention into the market. You want government to steal people’s money and assets.
Ummm…. what do you think taxes are?
What do you think the studies you cite are advocating?
Whew! Good. That means you are willing to accept the help of a licensed psychologist?
We’ve already discussed this and how your assumption is wrong. Repeating yourself shows you are not willing to discuss anything and instead you are acting more like a petulant child.
No, their beliefs are from God and the Bible. Not the RCC.
Several things of note here. First, marrying your secretary? Wow. Another instance of your lack of ethics. Secondly, I have no idea what “fuildity” is. If you mean “fluidity,” I can accept the typo, but if you think you writing here is “fluid” in any sense of the word, please seek professional help.
I am so glad you think the Bible must be read in context. Now try and dispute what I was saying which was not “you don’t work you don’t eat.”
Breaking away from the RCC here? The RCC teaches the Bible is both.
Actually that is false. Individually parishes may operate at a deficit, but dioceses and the RCC as a whole do not.
Most Christian pastors make the same amount if not less. Of course, Christian pastors aren’t having their room and board supplied by the church, but that is another story. (Some churches do have a residence for their pastors, but they are not given board.) Facts are really hard for you, aren’t they?
Ah yes… there we are. The “I’m superior to your” meme you keep repeating. Notice how through this discussion neither Gumball nor I have ever had to mention what we do or who we are in order to prove our points or add weight to them? Notice how we haven’t had to “brag” about our past or anything like that?
Perhaps you remember the story (in context of course) of how Christ talked about the Pharisees and the praying woman? How the Pharisees made a big issue out of everything they did and how they proclaimed how great they were to the world? Remember how Christ said the woman prayers offered without pomp and offered in humbleness would be answered?
Once again we see how little you know of Christ and his teachings.
From what you have said? Nope. Not a thing other than pity for you.
I know the truth is out there. The problem is that you don’t know it, don’t have it, and can’t recognize it.
Have a nice day in your wonderland.
GC You actually made a few factual statements. Are you still on pain meds from your evisceration? Home slice you are correct .It took incredibly long time to type. ( fact) I love the way you establish an argument. ” if we took all the money from billionares studies show nothing would change.” what????? who suggested that. wow back to first grade. Next you take a fact and say that’s not a fact. 1st grade argument. Next first grade argument “demanding people give to the poor” on the contray I did the opposite. ( you once again change the facts not only do you change the facts you belittle me by saying I don’t give to the poor , which I have established already that much of my life has involved service to the poor and continues to involve the work with the poor.) I do not have to justifiy my beliefs with any thing. ( my beliefs are that established by RCC which has spent 2000 years developing its doctrines. The only argument left for you and I’m warning you don’t go there…. “My Dad can beat up your dad”… well my Dads a Ninja so there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The the American RCC is the major provider of funds that support all the Holy sites In Israel at an enormous cost. Yet it is enjoyed equally by christians of all faiths? Not to mention the Friars Blood that was lost defending them. We really need financial help to maintain these sites. Those that are able please make your donations to the Franciscan Friars of the Holyland Washington DC.
So I forgot to tell you , there are many reasons why its not good to go up on a Mountain and commune with God. You could get hit by lightning. You could get attacked by a bear. Most probably in your case you could lost and not find your way home.
Has your pity prompted you to pray for me or just seek mental health? So I took your advice and went to the shrink you can Imagine how supprised I was to find out I’m not an Italian American .. he said both my parents are polish. That’s what bipolar means right? I can see you have no humor in you and are having a very difficult assimilating comments that are meant to be humerous.
Ok lets get to the heart of your complaint against mankind. First let me hold your hand and walk you through the real reason why going up on top of a mountain and communing with God as your sole sorce of enlightenment hurts the church. Essentially the church is its people right. Not building. The body of Christ ” the Christains” “the church” When you are on a mountain communing, you leave the rest of the church behind , the church is no longer whole, a piece is missing .
1st grade again… you said “Most Christian pastors make the same amount if not less. ” Not what I said. I said we have Christian pastors that live in multi-million dollar houses. Preaching to their congregation that they too can be so blessed by God . ( prosperity gospel)
Ok GC lets get to your main grievance against the poor. Taxes. Lets establish a mutual fact I think we all can agree on. Taxed are a forceful redistribution of wealth. ( fact) Some goes up( corporations) some goes down ( poor) and some goes sideways. So the RCC’s doctrine ” The preferential option for the poor” simply put for a simple mind… means that when balancing a budget you start at the bottom, you take care of the needs of the least of the brethern… then you can start building aircraft carriers ( I love aircraft carries my brother in law was a top gun instructor.) The next logical question… does A Government have this right?? Well the RCC says yes… it says a Govt. shares somewhat in Gods authority, and thus its use of obligatory force( taxes) should be based on morality. ” give to caesar what is caesar”. and what about our tyrannical govt ( evidenced somewhat, by the recent IRS scandal) Well first and foremost the knuckleheads responsible should go down town for a long time! ( that means jail). Seriously though if our Govt became absolutley tyrannical what could we do? We have muskets, they have aircraft carriers, missles, and tanks.. my 2nd grade son recently asked me “Daddy you have to be 18 to join the war right” as a christian the significance of the statement should shock you.
What about the boogie man, Abdul and his ilk, and China and the anti christ) seriously can some overthrow the USA silly goose we all ready have the reductio ad absurdum weapon right. By the way that’s mostly how you have been eviscerated. Reducing your propositions to absurdity. If you’d like to go a little further down the wormhole check out St. Anselms ontological argument for the existence of God. Also a reductio ad absurdum.
Another reason or example of why its problematic that sole source of enlightment is reading the Bible and communing with alone God is the varous translations of the bible. ( of course the RCC allows for private revelation which is always to scrutinized for authenticity.)
What does Paul’s writings about faith, hope, and love…. the greatest of these is love …what does that mean to you? Well if you belong to a Christian church that has reputable theologians ( and there are many) they could explain to you that actually love is translated wrong in the American version of the Bible. The Accurate translation would charity, not love. So this greatly affects the meaning right. Faith, hope and charity and the gretest of these is charity. Wow know we’re cooking with oil.
How do you feel about the fact that the Neanderthal genome has been mapped? Guess who has some of their genes….. you and me.
The early church shared things in common.. some brought no marbles some brought lots marbles.. often those who brought lots of marbles “were above work” Paul released a catch all stating. everyone must work .
Blinded by Ideology, remember you two are the ones ranting about how ridiculous it is to just give money to the poor.
Help reduce poverty give money to the poor
Help reduce poverty stop acquiring more than you need.
I’m also one of the greatest huggers in the history of mankind.( so says my 2 boys) So a big Hug for you two. Gumball and GC. Can you feel the Love?
Actually I have had Morals and Ethics back in the Day and I was taught that there is nothing ethically wrong with marrying your secretary providing both of you are single. (belittle failure)
MDA
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Thanks gitarcarver for answering this latest RMS Titanic of a screed. I just couldn’t go it any more. The ego, the loathing, the hateful innuendos…. and what appears to me, to be an almost subtle, underlying hatred for Christianity and its Judeo foundations. Because it was Judaism that was one of the first groupings of people that did not have a tyranical government as its foundation. It pushed as a community the idea of responsibility and self-dedication to bettering oneself and the community as a whole.
Then Christianity, coming from the Jewish law roots, further cemented the fact that there does not need to be a government or a priest to be between you and GOD. Each one of us has a direct communion with GOD and we are given rights directly from GOD.
To demand that as a solution that a government MUST FORCE a change in mindset so that people are then “obligated” to pay more to the poor or else, … that is very counter to the foundation of Christian theology.
LB just got scarier and scarier.
The other tell for me was like you noticed, when “he” stated categorically that the Bible is not a history book, but only a theology book. Again, to my religion that is blasphemy. To say that Jesus was not a historical figure? that he really didn’t come to Earth…. that it was just a story? That was the last straw for me. I knew then we were dealing with john’s Uncle or Step-Father.
Quick lovebroker! Someone has taken your name and is impersonating you! How do I know that? You said (and I quote) “There are studies that suggest a 1% tax per year on the worlds billionaires “wealth†would end life threatning poverty.”
I know someone as learned as the real “loverbroker” would never be as dense to support a study which says increasing taxes would help the poor and then try and say that “taxes” are not “taking of people’s money.” I simply refuse to believe that someone who claims to be as smart as the real lovebroker can’t see the correlation.
Oh dear me. What has this world come to when people steal identities on a blog.
Woe is me.
Well, you certainly can’t justify them with the Bible and Christianity, so I can understand your adopting that position. However, anyone who was truly interested in converting people to a point of view would know that they should be able to convince people of the wisdom and basis of the very beliefs they wish the individual to adopt. Being that you cannot and will not, that says more about your beliefs and you than anything else I could say.
(Isn’t it funny how actions always speak louder than words? Back to that ol’ “be doers of the word thing,” eh?)
Yes.
Ah, but once again you are displaying selective memory. You tried to equate those who teach the false prosperity gospel and compare them to priests. In doing so, it was clear to anyone that you were attempting to pridefully say how great priests are while demeaning other Christian pastors / teachers.
I have no grievance with the poor, lovebroker. That’s one of many places where your premise falls apart. It is clear you can’t understand any argument that is not in agreement with your greatness.
Oh dear Lord.
Clearly this is a case of “if only the world were as great as I and my family are.”
Yep. Like the Apocrypha.
And that authenticity is based on?
For you, the answer is “the RCC.”
For Christendom, the answer is “the Holy Spirit and the Bible.”
I’ll stick the the latter.
Wrong. The problem is, of course that you are assuming that the translated word “charity” means the same today as when written. I would suspect that someone of your alleged learning would know that is not the case. Furthermore, if it were, are you really trying to say that the King James Bible (your choice of the 1611 version or the 1603 version) was translated incorrectly, but received blessings and approval from the RCC?
Wow. That is a shocker. The RCC was wrong. I am stunned.
Proof please.
Can you feel the Love?
From you?
Nope.
I have no idea when “back in the day” was, but since the early 1970’s it has been well recognized that dating or asking a subordinate can be construed as sexual harassment as the subordinate does not feel they have the right to refuse, or will be punished in the workplace if the relationship fails to work out.
There is not an organization that would ever condone dating a secretary because of the ethics and moral dilemmas it presents.
That would be an “educational failure” on your part.
Really lovebroaker, this is getting tiresome. I am perfectly happy to sit here and respond to your delusional rantings, but after awhile we cats get tired of playing with bugs like you. It is just no fun trying to teach pigs to sing or casting our pearls before your snout.
The Pirate’s Cove has always welcomed good, reasoned debate but you seem incapable of that. You seem incapable of any argument other than “I’m great you have to do what I say because I won’t.”
That’s all you have, mon ami.
Stay on the porch.
Agreed, you bore me. Just as St. Anselm has said you cannot argue with a fool. You good, RCC bad. apparently you did not read the premise of this post.
Perhaps Hayes hadn’t tuned in to hear Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute make the point that the U.S. already has 126 federal anti-poverty programs that spend $688 billion every year, with state and local programs spending another $280 billion. Almost a trillion given to poor people each year–with no significant impact on reducing poverty!
Liberals have been fighting the “war on poverty†since the 1960′s, and it seems as if their policies continuously make things worse, which makes Chris Hayes’ idea perfect for liberals. Perhaps Melissa and Chris could give most of their cushy salaries away to poor people.
These positions have been eviscerated. Welfare programs are not designed to end poverty you fool, they are designed to feed people, house people, provide health care for people.
Christianity blinded by right wing Ideology
My thanks to priates cove for being so kind, welcoming and gracious .Entertaining the thoughts of a Christian is clearly quite painful for you.
To respond to my Greatness is silly, since they were silly comments meant to lighten the load. Nothing to prove to you, everything I have said I have done , I have done. Frankly I don’t give a rats donkey if you believe me. Liberals bad , conservatives good…. right wing good , left wing bad. My way good RCC bad Your postions and arguments sound like that commercial for A gym. Meathead says.. I lift things up.. I put them down. Someday the HS will show how much more complex the issues really are.
Notice the “please” I have added, to lighten the blow from offensive demanding statement to the great Christians that hold down the fort at PC. Back to first grade.
Please help minimize poverty give money the the poor
Please help minimize poverty stop acquiring more than you need.
lovebroker
I agree. But then again, I am sure you feel that the people who disagree with you are all fools.
Never said that. But every time you try and lift the RCC above God, it would be wrong of me not to respond. It is that ol’ thing where Christians should search for truth and “sound doctrine.”
Actually I did. The problem is not my reading or the reading skills of others, but your continued inability to take responsibility for anything that you say. You do not discuss the issues, but instead wanted us all to bow down to your greatness.
There it is again. You wanting other people to do what you will not do.
If that is the case, then why did you keep bringing up how great you and your family are? Clearly it was intended to be more than bluster. The problem, once again, is that when you got called out on your lack of critical thinking, you always responded with something about how great you are.
Instead of reading and thinking about what Gumball and I were saying, you tried to tell us how worthless we were.
You say you don’t have to prove anything and you are right. But the fact of the matter is that your position is so convoluted that it begs to be examined harshly. The fact that you missed that idea that Gumball and I generally agree with you on the idea of helping the poor shows you are paranoid, incapable of reading, and incapable of understanding what those around you are saying.
Someday the HS will show how much more complex the issues really are.
And someday maybe the HS will show how pride really affected this discussion.
Stay on the porch.
Is this a game of touch you last? I would like to thank PC and those who hold down the Fort at PC for allowing the thoughts of a Christian to be expressed on this thread. All my Love, lots of Hugs and kisses .
Please help reduce poverty give money to poor people
Please help reduce poverty please stop acquiring more than you need.
Mediatore di Amore
TAG, you’re it. teehhee.. giggle.. jiggy teeheee
Where’s my jumprope? woot woot woot