Washington Post: Republicans “Seize” On Rep. Tlaib’s Holocaust Remarks

Now, just imagine that it was a Republican making really bad remarks about Israel and the Holocaust: would the WP be yammering about “seizing”, or be blasting the Republican? Especially if the Republican was already accused of being anti-Israel and anti-Jew? Seriously, this is bad, really bad. Look at the way it starts

Republicans criticize Tlaib over remarks on Holocaust, Israel

House Republican leaders took aim at Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) on Sunday for a podcast interview in which she discussed her support for a one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In an interview on Yahoo News’s “Skullduggery” podcast published Saturday, Tlaib was asked about her position on the issue. The freshman lawmaker began her response by noting that the United States commemorated Holocaust Remembrance Day two weeks ago. She then discussed her Palestinian ancestors and the founding of the state of Israel, saying she was “humbled by the fact that it was my ancestors that had to suffer” to create a safe haven for the Jewish people.

“There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence, in many ways, had been wiped out. . . . I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time,” Tlaib said.

She added that the events of the past have informed her views on how to approach a solution to the conflict.

“I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that [safe haven], in many ways,” Tlaib said. “But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right? And it was forced on them. And so, when I think about one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn’t we do it in a better way?”

By starting off with Republicans criticizing, it’s putting the burden on Republicans, rather than Tlaib. As Joel B. Pollack points out

In reality, the major Palestinian leadership figure of the time, Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husseini, collaborated with Nazi Germany, and Palestinians violently opposed Jewish immigration — before, during, and after the Second World War.

Tlaib also made the awkward remark that “[t]here’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust,” meaning that she felt reassured about the “fact” [sic] that Palestinians had helped Jews (they did not).

Tlaib brought up the Holocaust on her own, by way of defending her call for the destruction of Israel through the creation of a single Palestinian state.

Rep. Liz Cheney responded to Tlaib

“I call on Speaker Pelosi and Leader Hoyer to finally take action against Representative Tlaib and other members of the Democratic caucus who are spreading vile anti-Semitism,” she said, referring to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.). “All of us, regardless of party, must stand as Americans against the evil of anti-Semitism. If the Democratic leadership continues to stand by in silence, they are enabling the spread of evil.”

But, the article spends most of its time finding Democrats to defend Tlaib, even throwing in

Denzel McCampbell, Tlaib’s spokesman, condemned Cheney’s statement as “dangerous.” Cheney was the first GOP leader to criticize Tlaib on Sunday.

So, it’s Cheney who’s dangerous, rather than the anti-Israel comments of Tlaib? Back to Pollack

The article neglected to mention the other “context” — that this remark was hardly the first anti-Israel or antisemitic statement by Tlaib.

Well, don’t expect Pelosi to do anything, not when she allowed an anti-Israel/anti-Jew Imam to give the invocation in the House last week. And second to last paragraph of the WP article

The episode marks the second time in recent weeks Republicans have seized on out-of-context remarks by a freshman Democratic lawmaker.

Seized.

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68 Responses to “Washington Post: Republicans “Seize” On Rep. Tlaib’s Holocaust Remarks”

  1. Dana says:

    “There’s, you know, there’s a kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence, in many ways, had been wiped out. . . . I mean, just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time,” Tlaib said.

    She added that the events of the past have informed her views on how to approach a solution to the conflict.

    “I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that [safe haven], in many ways,” Tlaib said. “But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right? And it was forced on them. And so, when I think about one-state, I think about the fact that, why couldn’t we do it in a better way?”

    The Palestinians have not, in fact, suffered the fate of a conquered people everywhere else. Were the Israelis real conquerors, the remnants of the Palestinians would be living in Jordan, after the Israelis expelled them in their own version of the Trail of Tears. When a conquered people are not to be assimilated, they must be removed; that’s how all of human history has worked.

  2. Zachriel says:

    Dana: When a conquered people are not to be assimilated, they must be removed; that’s how all of human history has worked.

    That is not correct. Subjugation is quite common in history, including during the colonial period.

    • formwiz says:

      I think you miss the idea behind colonialism.

      • Zachriel says:

        formwiz: I think you miss the idea behind colonialism.

        Colonialism took many forms. People were often subjugated rather than assimilated or removed.

  3. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Conservative snowflakes clutch their pearls and hit the fainting couch once again…

    • formwiz says:

      OK, let’s try her rap a different way.

      Southern planters gave African refugees homes and jobs on their plantations for 200 years, allowing them to pick cotton in the shelter of white civilization whilst they were spared the horrors of the wars of colonialism.

      Like that better?

  4. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    “There’s kind of a calming feeling, I always tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust and the tragedy of the Holocaust and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives. Their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways have been wiped out and some people’s passports, I mean just all of it, was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews post the Holocaust, post the tragedy and horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right? In many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away, right? And it was forced on them. And so, when I think about a one-state, I think about the fact that why can’t we do it in a better way? And I don’t want people to do it in the name of Judaism, just like I don’t want people to use Islam in that way. It has to be done in a way of values around equality, and around the fact that you shouldn’t oppress others so that you can feel free and safe. Why can’t we all be free and safe together?”

    From US Representative Tlaib’s office:

    “Once again, Republican leaders and right-wing extremists are spreading outright lies to incite hate,” Denzel McCampbell, communications director for the office, said. “During one portion of the segment discussing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Congresswoman mentioned the role that Palestinians played in helping to provide a safe haven for Jewish people following the tragedy of the Holocaust. Rep. Tlaib said thinking about this effort to provide a safe haven for people fleeing persecution brought calm to Rep. Tlaib because her ancestors were involved in helping those tragically impacted by the Holocaust.”

    What? Bad faith from the Republicans? LOL.

    • JGlanton says:

      “Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives. Their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways have been wiped out”

      OMG! Utter BS alternate history. As always, the left and ignorant fall for “if you repeat a lie often enough…”

    • formwiz says:

      Hell’s Harem, as well as the bunny suit, are liars.

      it was my ancestors that provided that, right?

      Wrong a roonies. The Palis were told by the Russians and the Arab states to leave so they wouldn’t get shot when the war started, so confident were they that they could slaughter the Jews.

      But a funny thing happened on the way to Commie victory. The Jews won and the Palis have been stuck in refugee camps ever since.

      the Congresswoman mentioned the role that Palestinians played in helping to provide a safe haven for Jewish people following the tragedy of the Holocaust.

      No, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was calling for the extermination of the Jews. He wanted Einsatzgruppen in the Middle East.

    • Jl says:

      Wait-this from the party and the media that brought us the Charlottesville lies? What? Bad faith from the Democrats? LOL

  5. Kye says:

    Hey Elwood. There has never been a nation of Palestine. Palestine is a region in the Middle East, not a country. The people “persecuting” Palestinians are Arabs. Mohammadan Arabs.

  6. Zachriel says:

    Kye: There has never been a nation of Palestine. Palestine is a region in the Middle East, not a country.

    Italy and Germany weren’t unified countries until 1871. The United States wasn’t a unified country until 1787. Mexico didn’t become independent until 1821. The Kurds still don’t constitute an independent nation.

    • Kye says:

      What the hell does that have to do with claiming people are Palestinians when there is no nation of Palestine? Or are you trying to claim that Palestine IS a country?

      • Zachriel says:

        Kye: What the hell does that have to do with claiming people are Palestinians when there is no nation of Palestine?

        Because a people can exist even when they don’t have a state.

        • Kye says:

          I never claimed “people” couldn’t exist. My only claim is to call a group “Palestinians” is to give them de facto statehood, which is in fact what they claim. Ownership of the land. It’s Israel’s land not the “Palestinians”. Your argument is silly and seemingly just for the sake of arguing.

          • Zachriel says:

            Kye: My only claim is to call a group “Palestinians” is to give them de facto statehood, which is in fact what they claim.

            Calling someone a Kurd doesn’t necessarily refer to a state. And Jews were Jews even before Israel became a state in 1948. The right of self-determination is an important liberty. The Palestinian and Jewish peoples have as much a right in a say on their futures as any other peoples; whether as citizens of a two-state solution or equal citizens of a one-state solution.

          • Dana says:

            Zachriel wrote:

            The right of self-determination is an important liberty.

            The citizens of the Confederate States of America will be happy that you have agreed to their right of secession!

            However, the right of self-determination depends on the acquiescence of other people. The Palestinians right of self-determination depends on defeating the Israelis and pushing them back into the sea, because the expressed goal of Hamas is to hold all of the land, “from the river to the sea.” The right of self-determination of the Palestinians depends on their ability to beat the Israelis in war, and they haven’t been able to do that yet.

            Self-determination has always been defined by war. White settlers took over this continent because we came here and forced the Indians further and further west, encircling them in reservations, until there was no more west further to push them. We conquered them, slowly, over a few hundred years, but conquer, displace, assimilate and exterminate them we did. White settlers in this country self-determined their fate by engaging in a war of liberation from the British crown.

            Every nation on earth, except someplace like Iceland, is the result of military conquest, of the ruling people there having previously defeated the people who were there before them. The entire western hemisphere is ruled by the descendants of white settlers and conquerors. All of European history is the story of one group moving in and conquering those there before them. Heck, as nearly as we can tell, Homo sapiens sapiens conquered and killed off Homo sapiens neanderthalis.

  7. Kye says:

    David Harsanyi at The Federalist sets the record straight:
    The Zionist movement long predated Hitler, even if Palestinian leadership had aligned itself with the Nazis during the war. By the time the Holocaust was over, Jews had already gained enough power to defend themselves, and Arabs had already been launching pogroms, terrorism, and political attacks for decades. . . .
    After the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a British government document that endorsed “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”. . .there was immediate and violent anti-Semitic reaction [by the Arabs].
    This, despite the fact that Jewish migration had been exceptionally beneficial for the Arabs living in the area. Rarely mentioned in the Israeli-Palestinian debate, in fact, is that significant Arab migration into a largely empty land was spurred by Jewish economic development. Jews were not displacing Arabs, they were attracting them.
    Not that it mattered. As the Peel Commission Report, a British paper recommending partition in 1936, noted, “the Arabs have benefited by the development of the country owing to Jewish immigration, this has had no conciliatory effect. On the contrary… with almost mathematical precision the betterment of the economic situation in Palestine meant the deterioration of the political situation.”

  8. Kye says:

    ” And Jews were Jews even before Israel became a state in 1948.”

    Yes, Zachriel they were Jews, BUT THEY WEREN’T ISRAELI’S! Get it?

    “The right of self-determination is an important liberty.”

    Blah, blah, blah. What you call the Palestinians right to self determination I call terrorism and murder.

    ” The Palestinian and Jewish peoples have as much a right in a say on their futures as any other peoples; whether as citizens of a two-state solution or equal citizens of a one-state solution.”

    More blah, blah, blah. The Palestinians have been invading and killing Israeli’s since David Ben-Gurion proclaimed it’s birth on May 14, 1948. Israel was set up in the area called Palestine which was an area designation like Levant, not a country. Now Palestine IS a country: Israel. If the Israeli’s are foolish enough to allow Palestinian Mohammadans to ever be equal citizens with Israeli Jews they will be doing to Israel what we are doing to the United States: ending it. Mohammadans are morally, culturally and religiously incapable of playing nice with other people. Hell, they can’t even among themselves.

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: Yes, Zachriel they were Jews, BUT THEY WEREN’T ISRAELI’S!

      There is the Jewish people, and there is the Jewish state. There is the Irish people, and there is a Irish state. There is a German people, and there is a German state.

      Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people. Israelite is a name for the ancestors of modern Jews, who are descendants of Judah and Benjamin.

      Kye: What you call the Palestinians right to self determination I call terrorism and murder.

      Most Palestinians just want to live in peace. However, the two-state solution is losing support on both sides.

      Kye: If the Israeli’s are foolish enough to allow Palestinian Mohammadans to ever be equal citizens with Israeli Jews they will be doing to Israel what we are doing to the United States: ending it.

      At least your position is clear: Palestinians are lesser-thans, and should be subjugated.

      • liljeffyatemypuppy says:

        Oh please… https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

      • Kye says:

        “There is the Jewish people, and there is the Jewish state. There is the Irish people, and there is a Irish state. There is a German people, and there is a German state.”

        No, there are people who lived where Ireland is but THEY WERE NEVER IRISH PEOPLE until the establishment of Ireland the country. They were in effect, nomads. Same with Germans etc. Ask Caesar if he fought “Germans” or barbarians.

        “Israel was established as a homeland for the Jewish people. Israelite is a name for the ancestors of modern Jews, who are descendants of Judah and Benjamin.”

        So what? Israelite’s no longer exist only Israeli’s exist today. And Israeli’s didn’t exist UNTIL THE CREATION OF ISRAEL IN 1948. Period. Modern Jews are as much a descendant of Judah and Benjamin as Greeks are descendants of Alexander and Italians of Caesar.

      • Dana says:

        Zachriel wrote:

        Most Palestinians just want to live in peace. However, the two-state solution is losing support on both sides.

        Yet the Palestinians keep accepting leadership from people who do not want to live in peace, by people for whom war and conquest is the long-desired dream. Hamas and Hexbollah have never accepted the ‘two-state solution,’ and while al Fatah has given some lip service to it, they don’t really mean it, and Yassir Arafat explicitly rejected it when it was offered, by Israel under Ehud Barak, in part because he knew that he’d have been killed by his own people for accepting it.

        More Israelis than Palestinians support the two state solution, but even there, a lot of Israelis don’t. Israel wanted to keep all of the land it conquered in 1967, but didn’t have the courage to do what was necessary, and physically expel the Arabs, but instead tried to push them to emigrate on their own through an increasingly uncomfortable occupation. That was a huge mistake. They could have gotten away with expulsion in 1967 and 1968, but after that, no, it was off the table, and now the Israelis are paying the price for it.

        The Levant is populated by people who want more land than there is land available, want the land that the other guy has. It will never be settled by negotiation, but by the only thing that has ever been successful in these situations: war and conquest.

      • Dana says:

        Zachriel wrote, addressing Kye:

        At least your position is clear: Palestinians are lesser-thans, and should be subjugated.

        Whilst Kye demurred, and wouldn’t accept Zachriel’s formulation, I will state that it is very true of me: the Israelis have proven themselves to be a better, wiser, smarter and stronger people than the Arabs, and should conquer them.

        However, no, subjugation is not what should be done. Subjugation is never a permanent solution, because the subject people will always resent and rise up against their masters. Even if their revolutions fail, as the Arabs struggles against the Jews have failed, they always persist as a festering problem. The Israelis should either expel or exterminate the Arabs under their control, or admit their inability to hold Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and withdraw from those areas completely.

        The problem with that is that the Arabs will continue to use those areas as a place from which to launch low-level attacks against Israel, as they have continued to do from Gaza, even after Israel under Ariel Sharon evacuated the region, leaving it to the Palestinians to do with it what they would.

        Notions that every group of people is somehow equal to every other group of people are just plain stupid, and ahistorical. All of human history is the story of stronger people and stronger groups beating weaker people and weaker groups. In our history, might has very much made right!

  9. Kye says:

    “At least your position is clear: Palestinians are lesser-thans, and should be subjugated.”

    I never said that, those are your words you are putting in my mouth. I said: “Mohammadans are morally, culturally and religiously incapable of playing nice with other people. Hell, they can’t even among themselves.”. Show me where I’m wrong. If Mohammadans are so great why aren’t people from all around the world immigrating to the Middle East to join their wonderful culture?
    There is really something wrong with members of Western Civilization (which I am assuming you are) constantly siding with the very culture which demands they convert or die. That’s cultural suicide.

    For the record I don’t believe Mohammadans or Palestinians are “lesser-thans”. I think they are barbaric pigs unworthy of co-mingling with civilized society. In a sense they’re “more-thans” because they are more dangerous and have murdered more people throughout history than any other group on earth including communists who are also pigs.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      The Kye-hole typed: “I think they (Arabs, Muslims, Semites) are barbaric pigs unworthy of co-mingling with civilized society.”

      That’s exactly what the Nazi’s thought of Jews, Roma and homosexuals. That’s what most whites thought of the natives they encountered in what became the US. That’s what most whites thought of the Black men, women and children subjugated here.

      I would call you a pig, but I have too much respect for pigs. You’re an old, hateful piece of shit.

      • formwiz says:

        Oh, they’re Roma, not gypsies in the PC-Verse these days.

        As for the Krauts, no man fought them harder or longer than Winnie Churchill and he said, “…the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world”.

        And, of course, “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy”.

        So anybody who wants to take on Kye had also better take on Winnie.

        As always, the bunny suit shills for the Left’s current hitmen.

        • liljeffyatemypuppy says:

          If only one could find out the feelings of Muslims toward Jews, gypsies, and homos today.
          Hmmmm… https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

          • david7134 says:

            That is easy, just look at the KKK bylaws.Same as the Oran or what ever that thing is called for which we use as toilet paper.

      • Dana says:

        Mr Dowd wrote:

        That’s what most whites thought of the natives they encountered in what became the US.

        And history has proved them right. The natives the white settlers encountered here were defeated, surrounded, pressed into ever-shrinking reservations, forced off the land, with some assimilated and others exterminated.

        And, guess what: that action freed this nation to become the richest, most powerful on earth, and is a benefit to the people who live here today. You live on land the expansionist white people ‘liberated’ from the Indians, Mr Teach lives on land that the white conquerors ‘liberated’ from the Indians, and I live on land the British colonists ‘liberated’ from the Indians.

        That’s what most whites thought of the Black men, women and children subjugated here.

        That’s exactly right, and if you are a black American, you are the beneficiary of that, a beneficiary of the fact that white people two centuries ago enslaved black Africans and brought them here. The descendants of those slaves are now Americans, living in the United States, and in far better conditions than black people living in Africa.

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: No, there are people who lived where Ireland is but THEY WERE NEVER IRISH PEOPLE until the establishment of Ireland the country.

      Turns out there were Irish people before Ireland became an independent state in 1922.

      • formwiz says:

        Using Wiki as your basis in an argument is always risky.

        As a Mick myself, Kye’s point is that the Micks were considered British subjects for centuries. In fact, Maureen O’Hara made quite a stir when she insisted on being called an Irish citizen rather than a British subject when she started working in the movies (Mr Roosevelt, ever the glad hander, wanted our relations with Britain to be as cozy as possible).

        So you might have gotten an argument on the point from Oliver Cromwell.

        Historically, Kye is a little off, but his point is not without merit. It isn’t always what you call yourself as much as what the world says you are.

        Just ask the Kurds or the Armenians.

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: I never said that, those are your words you are putting in my mouth.

      You said, “If the Israeli’s are foolish enough to allow Palestinian Mohammadans to ever be equal citizens with Israeli Jews they will be doing to Israel what we are doing to the United States: ending it.” So, yes, you said they shouldn’t be allowed to have equal rights.

      • david7134 says:

        Z,

        And??

      • formwiz says:

        Technically, they already are, so the point is moot. There are even Arabs in the Knesset.

        Kye is addressing those terrorists and their adherents who refuse to recognize the State of Israel.

  10. Kye says:

    Zachriel, I said equal citizens not equal people, i.e. not Israeli CITIZENS. So, no I did not say they shouldn’t be allowed to have equal rights, I said they shouldn’t be allowed in the country in the first place.

    Elwood said:”That’s exactly what the Nazi’s thought of Jews, Roma and homosexuals. That’s what most whites thought of the natives they encountered in what became the US. That’s what most whites thought of the Black men, women and children subjugated here.” And Hitler himself was a vegetarian and loved animals. Does that make PETA supporters Nazis too?

    As usual if you point out something Elwood doesn’t like the names start flying. Now I’m a Nazi because I think communists and Mohammadans are barbaric pigs unworthy of mingling with civilized society. Remember Elwood the Nazi’s were allies of the Mohammadans. What ever the Nazis thought about fags, Jews or anybody else has nothing to do with the FACT you are once again defending the enemies of American, Western Civilization, Freedom and Justice. As usual.

    Thanks for the name calling it always proves I win. I love winning, Elwood but you make it so easy by siding with our enemies. BTW, the Nazi’s put those people in concentration camps and murdered millions just like communists and Mohammadans do. When have I ever said we should do that? That is strictly a leftist remedy. Shut them up any way you can, right Comrade?

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Kye,

      How would you propose America handle it’s Muslim “problem”? You’ve already described them as barbaric pigs, not fit to live amongst “fine people” such as yourself. I have a Muslim family just down the street and much prefer them to the likes of you.

      You think Muslims, Palestinians gays are enemies of America, but I didn’t call you a Nazi, it’s just you talk like a Nazi. I called you an old, hateful piece of shit. And I stand by that.

      All you have is hate. Sad.

      • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

        Again from the little fella who lied about joining the Army… https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

      • formwiz says:

        I have a Muslim family just down the street and much prefer them to the likes of you.

        How would you know, you don’t even know the man? Of course, this is the “person” who always says All you have is hate. A lot of Lefties like to make a show of befriending minorities just to prove how liberal they are. Until, of course, said minorities show any sign of thinking for themselves.

        You think Muslims, Palestinians gays are enemies of America, but I didn’t call you a Nazi, it’s just you talk like a Nazi. I called you an old, hateful piece of shit. And I stand by that.

        Again, this is the “person” who always says All you have is hate.

        Takes one to know one.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          We don’t know Kye???? Are you daft?

          He’s an old, hateful piece of shit. Just like you.

          What’s your beef? You both seem quite proud of your ignorance and hate.

          All you have is hate.

      • Kye says:

        Ya know Elwood, a while back we all kind of agreed to cut down on the vile slander after BooBoo was banned. I see you don’t think that includes you. You tell me I’m full of hate as you call me an “old hateful piece of shit”. Could anyone be less self aware than you are? You’re calling me vile despicable names because you disagree with my political position. I’m sure that not only would you rather be with your Mohammadan friends but you’d probably laugh if they murdered me with an “Allah Akbar” for good measure. Your mind is a vast wasteland.

        • formwiz says:

          The bear suit is dominating the bunny suit, so it may all be academic, but it seems we’re going to be treated to a fascinating display of schizophrenia.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          Kye, Kye, Kye… you old hateful, piece of shit,

          The positions I find vile are your hatreds of those different than you. Different religions, different pigments, different ideology. Entire groups of people. I don’t hate all Con Men just because those like you, formwiz and lil bitch are unworthy of co-mingling with civilized society.

          You typed, “I think they (Arabs, Muslims) are barbaric pigs unworthy of co-mingling with civilized society.”

          Simple question: What do you propose America do with its Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians and other you think are barbaric pigs?

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          Your “political position” is hatred. Name-calling is not slander.

          Ya see, Kye, I dislike unAmerican white supremacists with the same white hot heat you direct at Muslims, gays, Arabs, Hispanics, Blacks, Socialists etc. Otherwise, I’m sure you’re “fine people”.

          You use the results of oppression to support your supremacist claims! Brilliant. “If Black people were as good as white people, they wouldn’t be poor!”

          You are more likely to be murdered by a right-wing terrorist than a Muslim.

          • Kye says:

            Again Elwood, stop with the vile name calling. I don’t need to be subject to your hate. If you don’t like my opinions don’t read them. If you choose to read them then answer like a human being not one of you commies or Mohammadans would answer.

            Every one of your posts proves my point. You are becoming an animal by association. You need to become more self aware of how you’re acting.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            We’re sure you’re “fine people”, just like your president said. Is calling you “fine people” a vile insult???

            Anyway, how do you propose to solve America’s Muslim crisis? According to you, walking among us are potential killers who are plotting, multiplying and recruiting to murder American Christians and take over America.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            What kind of supremacist do you prefer to be called? Christian Supremacist? American Supremacist? Male Supremacist?

            You’ve already described all Muslims, Arabs etc (billions of humans) as “barbaric pigs unworthy of co-mingling with civilized society.” You’ve described Blacks (over 1 billion) as mentally inferior to whites. You call gays, “fags”.

            You claim to be a teller of truths, yet you attribute characteristics of the few to the whole, which is the definition of bigotry.

            Are you just superior to Muslims, Arabs and Blacks, or are there other groups over whom you reign supreme?

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: Zachriel, I said equal citizens not equal people, i.e. not Israeli CITIZENS.

      They could be citizens of a Palestinian state instead.

      • formwiz says:

        Last I looked, there is no Palestinian state.

        • Zachriel says:

          formwiz: Last I looked, there is no Palestinian state.

          That’s right, which means they are not citizens of any country, which means they do not have the right as a people to self-determination.

          Kye was arguing that because the Palestinians do not have a state, there is no Palestinian people. He also argued against granting them equal rights.

          • formwiz says:

            If you look, you’ll see the Palestinians gave up their home in ’48 after the Russians and the Arab states told them to leave so they wouldn’t get hurt when the Jews were slaughtered.

            One thing to have the land taken from you, another to give it up voluntarily.

  11. Zachriel says:

    formwiz: As a Mick myself, Kye’s point is that the Micks were considered British subjects for centuries.

    They were subjugated under British rule, yes.

    formwiz: Maureen O’Hara made quite a stir when she insisted on being called an Irish citizen rather than a British subject when she started working in the movies

    Which undercuts your point.

    formwiz: It isn’t always what you call yourself as much as what the world says you are. Just ask the Kurds or the Armenians.

    Kurds and Armenians don’t stop being Kurds and Armenians. Indeed, your own use of the terms indicate that Kurds and Armenians exist as distinct ethnicities.

    formwiz: Technically, they already are, so the point is moot.

    Some are, some are not, so the point is not moot.

    formwiz: If you look, you’ll see the Palestinians gave up their home in ’48

    Being evacuated from a war zone, or in some cases forced out by Israeli forces, does not mean they gave up their homes.

    Kye: Now I’m a Nazi because I think communists and Mohammadans are barbaric pigs unworthy of mingling with civilized society.

    That confirms that Kye doesn’t believe that Muslims should have social and political equality.

  12. Kye says:

    “Kye: Now I’m a Nazi because I think communists and Mohammadans are barbaric pigs unworthy of mingling with civilized society.

    That confirms that Kye doesn’t believe that Muslims should have social and political equality.”

    That “confirms” no such thing. What it confirms is that I do not believe they should be allowed to live, work, multiply and recruit in countries they want to destroy among people they want to kill. That “confirms” age-old commonsense. What would you allow your enemy into the castle?

    “formwiz: Maureen O’Hara made quite a stir when she insisted on being called an Irish citizen rather than a British subject when she started working in the movies

    Which undercuts your point.”

    No it does not. Just because Maureen O’Hara wanted something does not make it so. The fact she was an Irish citizen is what held water.

    If I call myself a Russian Jew does that mean I’m a Russian Jew?

  13. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Kye,

    What real policies do you prescribe to remedy your imaginary Muslim problem – these Americans that should not “be allowed to live, work, multiply and recruit in countries they want to destroy among people they want to kill.”

    You’ve identified a problem – Muslims in America are plotting to kill Christians and take over America – what is your final solution?

    • Kye says:

      I think they should be removed from the United States and returned to the Middle East where their their dictatorial religion thrives. There they can enjoy murdering homos, mutilating females, and fuking little boys and girls as their religion and culture teach without repercussion.

      They have declared war on us why would we let them live here? Would we let millions of Germans enter America in 1942 knowing there would be thousands of spies, terrorists and recruiters among them?

      Now that you’re discussing this like a human being, what’s your solution?

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Let’s be clear. You propose deporting America citizens based on their religion?

        What’s the worst thing I’ve called you? You’re still whatever that was, but add unAmerican as the prefix.

  14. Zachriel says:

    Kye: What it confirms is that I do not believe they should be allowed to live, work, multiply and recruit in countries they want to destroy among people they want to kill.

    As we said, you don’t believe they should have equal rights.

    Kye: Just because Maureen O’Hara wanted something does not make it so.

    Just as you not wanting to recognize the existence of the Irish people independent of and preceding the Irish state does not make it so.

    • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

      Why don’t y’all go back to Bookwormroom and aggravate people over there… oh wait, y’all got banned over there too.

      How about just go away, m’kay kiddiez? https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        If you’re too embarrassed to make a relevant comment maybe you should read up on a few topics! M’kay, little missy? https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

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