Should legal adults be able to carry a handgun? They pay taxes, they’re required to file for the draft (at least the males), they can join the military, they have duties and responsibilities of adulthood
Minnesota gun ruling is latest citing Supreme Court decision
A federal court ruling that a Minnesota law prohibiting 18-to-20-year-olds from obtaining permits to carry handguns in public is unconstitutional remained on hold Monday while the state pursues a potential appeal.
A reluctant U.S. District Judge Katherine Menendez struck down the state law on Friday, citing a landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision on gun rights last year. But after the state attorney general’s office filed an emergency motion for a stay, she agreed to hold off, meaning 18-to-20-year-olds still can’t apply for carry permits in Minnesota until the matter is resolved.
The ruling is the latest example how the Supreme Court case, known as the Bruen decision, has upended gun laws nationwide, dividing courts and sowing confusion over what restrictions can remain in force.
The plaintiffs are three gun rights groups, including the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus, and three individuals who were over 18 but under 21 when the lawsuit was filed in 2021. They have until Wednesday to file a response. The judge has not set a hearing date.
Menendez said in her order Friday that she was obligated by the Bruen decision to conclude that that Second Amendment guarantees the rights of 18-to-20-year-olds to bear arms in public for self defense.
So, it has to go through more yapping to resolve in full. It is interesting that the same people who want to restrict legal adults from exercising their Constitutional right also want to let minors vote and cut off their breasts and tallywackers.
Meanwhile
Six ideas to reduce firearms deaths
(skipping right to them)
1. Ban aftermarket firearm modification of any sort, including cosmetic changes (so, no scope? No laser designator? Scope rings? Making it a Hello Kitty paintjob?
2. Tax ammunition, scale it with killing power (this will only affect the law abiding, and is an unconstitutional excise tax, as courts have ruled many times
3. Hold people responsible for crimes committed with their guns (to a degree, I agree, but, we know the gun grabbers will make the penalties so high as to make firearms unaffordable or worthless for self protection
4. Absolute ban on names and images of perpertrators unless they are at large. (while I agree, this violates the 1st Amendment, but, then, when do leftists care about Rights?)
5. End No-knock raids (it’s a rather dubious argument at the link)
And tell me you don’t understand firearms without telling me
6. Ban assault weapons
Let’s close with most discussed policy solution, an outright ban based centered around power and kill capacity. Banning a good with high demand is always difficult, just ask the war on drugs. If we’re going to try to ban assault rifles, we need to go in with our eyes open. Assault weapons are by and large consumption goods, if not outright toys, and in case you can’t hear the derision in my tone let me be clear I am absolutely judging you for owning one. They have zero value for hunting: a .556 round from an AR-15 will destroy your quarry. Better hunting option: anything firing .45-70 caliber ammunition. An assault rifle has negative value for defending your family at home. The through-wall collateral damage leaves you as likely to harm your family as any intruder. Better home defense option: any 12 gauge shotgun. An assault rifle is not a bulwark against tyranny any more than a samurai sword would have been living in a rural town in the Jim Crow South. We all need to accept that we are woefully out matched in terms of physical and human capital in a confrontation on the local monopsolist on violence. Better option: join a peaceful political action organization. Join a major political party. Hell, join a local religious group. Resistance against tyranny is about numbers, not the stopping power of the weapon you or your drinking buddies are holding.
“Destroy your quarry.” No. Most hunters use much more powerful rounds.
Hold on there !
The 2nd Amendment doesn’t say anything about age restriction
Weren’t teens lowed to bring rifles to school during hunting season back when America was great ?
Shouldn’t kids have the right for self defense?
Guns for me, but not for thee?
The Supremes have said that minors do not enjoy full constitutional rights, but your point is valid: many teens had knives in their pockets and rifles in their trucks during hunting season.
That’s because it doesn’t have to. Back before liberals fuked up society we had things called the age of consent and the age of reason. We also had enough common sense to realize 5 year olds shouldn’t have guns, get married or have sex change operations. Too bad the left fuked that all up. Leftists have no common sense but more importantly no morals.
Our Constitution has a Second Amendment which says:
What part of ‘shall not be infringed’ do you not understand?
Please point out what our Constitution says about marriage and sex change operations.
How can one advocate for assault weapons based on the text of the Second Amendment but not support the right to ‘keep and bear Arms’ for all who want them? Common sense? Morals?
Do we need a 28th Amendment infringing the reach of the Second Amendment?
28th: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, including Arms with semi-automatic actions, round capacity of magazines, shall not be infringed, except for people 17 years of age and younger, who also cannot be given sex-change operations or get married. No public or private entity can infringe the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.
As patriots we cannot believe the government and private businesses infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear Arms in airports, airplanes, courthouses, schools, office buildings, hospitals, jails, prisons, mental hospitals, department stores, theatres, buses, trains, subways etc. The police are impotent to protect us. Who wouldn’t be more comfortable on an airplane with a patriot carrying a Smith & Wesson M&P15?
I understand all of it, do you? The Constitution regards persons who have reached the age of majority, not children. Acting stupid does not support your argument, Elwood.
My use of the above examples are to show age requirements but you know that. Your simplistic and ignorant reply shows your leftist brain has no ability to reason.
You must always go from the ridiculous to the sublime mustn’t you? Again, acting like the fool does your argument no good but thanks.
Commenter typed: We also had enough common sense …
We are a Constitutional Republic not a common-sense republic.
Our semi-unelected Supreme Court, swayed by history and the current political climates, determines what the Constitution actually means. The absolutist, literal translation movement has largely taken the place of our own ‘common sense’, leading to logical paradoxes.
For decades they permitted the ‘common sense’ effort to limit the type of legal Arms. SCOTUS still allows the infringement of fully automatic action Arms. SCOTUS still dictates the barrel length of shotguns!! The majority of Americans believe assault weapons should be illegal. A conservative minority use, not a common sense argument, but rather a Constitutional argument that assault weapons should be legal! Freedom!!
There is absolutely NO Constitutional justification for infringing on the people’s right to keep and bear personal machine guns like an M4 carbine or AK-47. None!! It’s what the SCOTUS decides and our SCOTUS is political.
You can’t have it both ways. BTW, we’re unaware of 5 year olds receiving sex-change operations in the US except perhaps the illegal clitorectomies by fundamentalist Muslims, and the little discussed sex organ confirmation surgeries of intersex babies*. For decades, doctors have performed surgeries on infants to conform their genitals to either traditional male or female status. Do conservatives agree that that this practice should be outlawed or do conservatives think that Republicuns in Tennessee are smarter than God who made these intersex babies?
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Six ideas to reduce firearms deaths?
Can someone tell me how that is supposed to reduce deaths from people using firearms?
Of course, we have some of that already, as many newspapers now refuse to print mugshots of accused or even convicted criminals, even if those criminals are still at large and considered to be armed and dangerous, because, in the words of the McClatchy Mugshot Policy:
Interestingly enough, the Lexington Herald-Leader, a McClatchy newspaper, has made exceptions on several occasions . . . when the accused are white. Thus, knowledgeable readers know: if there’s no mugshot, the accused is black.
However, mugshots are frequently not needed, when the newspapers publish the names of the accused. With so many of them named something along the lines of Um’gwana Kik-Booti,¹ everybody already knows.
But newspapers are handicapped in this, because television, a medium very dependent upon images, don’t censor mugshots. And with newspapers like The Philadelphia Inquirer not printing any mugshots, unless the accused is a police officer, I have to wonder: is the Inky creating the impression that all criminals are black?
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¹ – The name Um’gwana Kik-Booti comes from a Cheech and Chong comedy album.
Dana,
It will affect only those rare narrow category of firearms deaths that are school shootings by emotionally disturbed young adults who went to that school and want to make everyone suffer while going out in a blaze of glory. As you point out, it does nothing for the vast majority of gun deaths related to black people killing each other. If the next generation of emotionally disturbed young adults never heard about how much fun shooting schools is and how much attention they will get, then they settle on some other way of getting attention… like becoming vegan or riding a bike on a public highway.
Oddly enough, newspaper mug shots were entirely pointless for black people anyway since very dark skin is not photogenic enough to be useful. Even AI face recognition programs failed to make useful distinctions between black faces. The only point is that telling people “blacks were violent again” over and over does lead to the impression among the literate audience who read (white people) that black people are indeed violent, as a group.
Yes 18 to 20-year-old should be able to carry a fire I’m just like every other adult.
Hell if we go with the the leftist route and say 10-year-olds can decide to have sex changes then help drop at the 10-year-olds having a gun.
Of course I just about the last part with a 10 years old but yes 18 to 20-year-olds are adults They should be able to do adult things and be treated the same This should be no tiered system for our constitutional rights.
Here in Beautiful Florida (with limited stupid leftistds) the age of majority and the age of consent are both 18. We do however have silly Pumphrey Law which skews the age of consent as does the Romeo and Juliet Law. It’s a whole mish-mosh.
Suffice to say the standard majority and consent laws were just fine until we add in absolutist leftists who refuse to approach any problem with an open mind. It’s always a problem and an exception they look for.
Mr Teach:
He is right. Most hunters do use larger rounds designed for hunting large game although a well-placed .223 round can kill a deer!
All high-velocity bullets damage tissue by ‘hydrostatic’ shock. Low velocity bullets, for example, 300 gr for your 50 caliber smoke-pole, damage with their mass (usually 5-10 times heavier than a .223 bullet).
The key to not ‘destroying your quarry’ is a well placed heart-lung shot. Practice. Do not shoot outside your practiced range. If you ever been in the woods during deer season (especially here in hillbilly heaven) you’ll hear the ‘boom’ of a single heavy round but also the pop, pop, pop of a AR-15er shooting at a moving deer.
But this begs the question why militaries prefer the little .223 bullets (55 grains) and hunters prefer larger, more “powerful” bullets (165 grain). Game hunters expect to take a single, well-placed (heart-lung) shot on a stationary target, usually with an accurate bolt-action, scoped rifle, (recoil be damned). Militaries prefer auto/semi-auto actions for spraying bullets at moving targets (enemy soldiers) with minimal recoil.
Mass killers choosing the military style rifle over a hunting rifle for killing people is a no brainer.
It seems we can find a compromise! Ban assault weapons AND allow 18 and up to purchase, keep and bear Arms!!
Semi-auto hunting-style rifles (rarely used), semi-auto shotguns (very popular!) and semi-auto pistols (used in most killings!) would be safe! Well, not safe, but legal.
If it were up to me, I would ban semi-auto rifles and pistols, but not shotguns (which are rarely used for crime), and are the best home-defense arms, and valuable for migratory bird hunting.
If it were up to me I would ban negroes and fascists thereby reducing fire arm deaths by 95%. Don’t worry, I identify as American Indian like many negroes do so I’d be safe. Fortunately Elwood would loose because of the fascist clause.
I see Elwood still being a constitutional republic kind of guy with no common sense thinks firearms are for hunting and measures their worth and value accordingly.
Our RTKABA is there to fight the government not kill birds and deer. I know Elwood refuses to understand that but again, common sense.
Actually just over half of homicide perps are Black men. Almost all murderers are men.
The fantasy that ‘patriots’ will use AR-15s to defeat the United States military is cute. You will need tanks, fighter jets, bazookas, surface to air missiles etc and you will still lose and probably die.
Do you know the greatest antidote to tyranny? Voting and citizen activism. Elect genuine American patriots who believe in our Democratic Republic and not fakirs like Trump. Don’t like the Dems, work hard to vote them out. You will be required to convince some Dem and Independent voters that your way is best. Your record so far has not been very salable. Geez, look at the responses in red states forcing women to have babies and attacking public school teachers. How did 2022 midterms go? It’s unlikely that 2024 will be any better for the GOP.
Yes, Mr Trump’s arrest and arraignment will boost the fervor of his supporters. Trump and his acolytes will repeat that this is tyranny just like in Russia and the Nazis.
The mathematician from Missouri wrote:
Yet, according to the Census Bureau, non-Hispanic blacks make up 11.6% of the total population, and black males just 5.7%.
Mr LRoy claimed ridding America of Blacks and fascist would stop 95% of murders.
It wouldn’t.
Does the criminologist from Kentucky have a theory to explain why almost all homicides are committed by males and over 50% committed by Black men (just 5.7% of the population)?
One model presumes that once the testes have formed (at 7 weeks postconception), testosterone levels rise dramatically in male fetuses and are responsible for ‘masculinizing’ the male brain and subsequent behaviors, i.e., violence, aggressiveness and sexual pursuit of females.
Interestingly, infant females with chronic adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) resulting in high levels of fetal androgens show female physical characteristics but early behaviors biased toward choosing ‘boy’ toys and later career choices more focused on ‘things’ rather than ‘people’. As adults they are cisgender and heterosexual and importantly, recent evidence supports they are prone to greater aggressiveness, as if exposure to androgens in utero give fetuses some male behaviors!
Do you think it possible that Black males have higher levels of testosterone in utero than do white males?? Is that why they are ‘aggressive’? After all, any industry Blacks in which they were allowed to compete, judged on merit, e.g., sports and entertainment, they dominate through hard work, dedication and practice! Is it possible that Black males are superior to white males, but that white males have all the social power???