If All You See…

…is wine that will be soon grown in Siberia, you might just be a Warmist

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The blog of the day is Atlas Shrugs, with a post on Muslim students in Canada refusing to do course work with women.

PS: apparently someone didn’t like me using the previous photo. Oh, well.

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Comment by Blick Subscribed to comments via email
2014-01-11 13:19:48

Captain, the photo has been removed by “photobucket?”

 
Comment by proof Subscribed to comments via email
2014-01-11 13:58:31

If all you see is a Photobucket warning, you might be a warmist!

 
Comment by Blick Subscribed to comments via email
2014-01-11 15:02:11

Proof-positive, I am now a warmist. Where can I get my membership card? It will be a relief, not having to think and be rational. Were is the CO2 I can yell at. Blick

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-11 17:28:44

Yes, some people don’t like others making money off their creations.

It’s called theft.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2014-01-11 19:25:18

Yes, some people don’t like others making money off their creations.

I’m sorry, weren’t you the same person who advocates revising the patent laws so that people could make money off of other people’s creations?

Oh that’s right…. you only wanted to revise that if it didn’t affect you.

It’s called theft.

No, it’s not.

It is at best copyright infringement.

“Theft” has a different legal meaning and does not apply here.

In other words, Jefffy gets a double face palm for being both a hypocrite and woefully, wrong.

 
Comment by William Teach
2014-01-11 20:47:54

Theft? Sorry, no. It is a public domain photo. Found it at the Chive, which got it elsewhere.

Furthermore, if you want to be serious, that would apply to every blog out there. Including liberal ones. Get over yourself, Jeff, you don’t have to be jerk over everything.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-12 11:07:07

goatcuddler,

Most inventors make little off their patented inventions, but the owners of the patents, and the vulture hangers-on make billions. If you’re an engineer at Ford and invent a new method or device, the patent accrues to Ford, not you. If you invent a new drug at Pfizer, the company owns the patent. When a professor invents something, the university owns it. The companies have no obligation to reward you for your creativity.

For example, in a small company, the inventor of the technology does not own the patents, which are owned by the company. When they sell the company for $1.2 billion the inventor will make no more than anyone else on the deal. Almost all of the proceeds go to venture capital firms. Why do the venture firms invest in start-ups? Because they can make 10 times their investment because drug companies can sell patented drugs for a decade or so at 100 times the market value or more. This is a massive redistribution of wealth from the working classes (in high drug costs) to the 1%, the wealthy venture firms, attorneys and drug companies. All because the US government enforces monopoly status for drug companies. Can you think of a better way to create innovative drugs that does not require the transfer of some $300 billion a year to the wealthiest among us – few who actually contribute to innovation?

The Pirate posts pictures of very young, semi-nude women to draw viewers and sell ads. Calling him a thief is generous.

 
Comment by William Teach
2014-01-12 12:27:19

The real underlying problem Jeff has is that he’s scared of pretty women, so he doesn’t want to have to see the IAYS posts. Gives him cooties.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2014-01-12 14:16:24

JeffyPoop,

I hate to break this to you, but your long screed just reiterates what I said. The person or company makes the money on the invention / patent.

We’ve gone down this path before where you blame companies for wanting to make money from patents and yet you refusing to releases your patent to the general public. That means that you are a hypocrite.

You are also a liar when you say the drug patent is for a decade as it is for 7 years, but truth isn’t a strong suit of yours.

But let’s deal with the actual issue at hand – the image.

If it were “theft” as you claim, the owner of the image could call up the police and say “he stole my property.” Yet we both know that the owner or the one who claims ownership cannot do that. The owner was not denied use of the image nor was he denied revenue from the image. At best he can claim that the IP was used without his permission.

Teach did not make any revenue from the image, so your claim he did is both wrong and spurious like most of the things that you say. Furthermore, as Teach has stated he thought the image was in the public domain, there is no “mens rea” which is critical even in IP cases.

Once again we see that you don’t have a friggin’ clue as to what you are talking about.

Adults will admit when they are wrong and here is a chance to admit you made a mistake. I know that you won’t do that, but one can always hope.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-13 09:07:56

goatcuddler,

Please quit while you’re behind.

I’m an inventor on several patents, not just one, but I am not the owner so cannot “release” them to the public. Only the owners (various) can do that. I am part owner of a company that owns patents, but cannot “release” the patents without consent of my business partners. Should I quit this company in protest to keep you from calling me a hypocrite? lmfao. [NB: The 'hypocrite' tactic is a logical fallacy used often in arguments.]Perhaps a better approach might be to work to change our drug development system so that millionaires make just a bit less and the “folks” pay some $300 billion less per year for drugs.

Where did you get the idea that drug patents expire after 7 yrs?

According to the FDA:

“2. How long is a patent granted for?

Patents expire 20 years from the date of filing. Many other factors can affect the duration of a patent.”

So, if I file a patent today, I have a government-enforced monopoly on that IP for 2 decades, not 7 yrs. I can actually add years of exclusive marketing of this agent by various methods, e.g., via Orphan Drug status et al.

Note that the preclinical and clinical development of the drug can consume several years, reducing the actual time selling the drug under the exclusive protection of the Federal (and foreign) government.

On theft: My assumption is that The Pirate intends to make money from his advertisers. I may be wrong. He might not have attempted theft. My apologies to any I may have offended.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-13 09:12:38

Pirate:

It could be too that I have daughters and granddaughters and have respect for women beyond the need to exploit them for a few dollars.

You’re like Larry Flynt without the balls or brains.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2014-01-13 11:48:55

JeffyPoop,

You should not expose your ignorance to the world like this. It’s embarrassing.

3. How long is exclusivity granted for?

It depends on what type of exclusivity is granted.
Orphan Drug (ODE) – 7 years
New Chemical (NCE)- 5 years
“Other” Exclusivity – 3 years for a “change” if criteria are met
Pediatric Exclusivity (PED) – 6 months added to existing Patents/Exclusivity
Patent Challenge – (PC) – 180 days (this exclusivity is for ANDAs only)

Whether your partners or whomever own a portion of the patent or not does not mean that you cannot release your part of the patent.

In fact, your original statement on this issue was that you (singular and without partners) own a patent.

So were you lying then? Or are you lying now?

As to the theft of the image, of course you didn’t address the real issue of IP protection. I didn’t expect you to because it only shows that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

 
Comment by William Teach
2014-01-13 12:18:14

It could be too that I have daughters and granddaughters and have respect for women beyond the need to exploit them for a few dollars.

It just goes to show, Liberals can’t be happy over anything. They can’t look at a photo of a pretty woman and simply say “she’s hot!” For your daughter’s sake, I hope you have no kids, Jeffy, because you are a batshit depressing person.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-13 15:09:32

goatcuddler,

Your info from the FDA is not about patent protection. So why did you append it? Because it had a 7 in it? Did you pull 7 yrs out of your tuchus (reaching around your head)?

If I wrote that I “own” a patent, I misspoke and apologize. Can you find where I wrote that?

An adult would admit he or she was wrong and move along. The patent life of an invention is 20 yrs.

And the Earth is warming from CO2 added to the atmosphere by humans.

I apologized if I offended anyone by calling the Pirate a “thief”.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-13 15:59:46

Pirate:

Most liberals I know (myself included) are quite happy, as we understand the nature of the physical world around us, and do not depend on magic or deities for happiness.

That’s not to say that we do not see the hatred, repression, willful ignorance, intolerance, racism and inequality from our right-wing brethren. And that is depressing, but we’ll keep fighting you.

If you need semi-nude pics of teenagers to keep your enterprise afloat, so be it. But that doesn’t make it above criticism.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2014-01-13 18:14:48

JeffyPoop,

Once again you fail to put two and two together.

The issue is not truly the length of the patent as you well know. The length of the patent matters little when the company loses exclusivity of the use of the product.

So when you sayL

Because they can make 10 times their investment because drug companies can sell patented drugs for a decade or so at 100 times the market value or more.

your statement is demonstrably wrong. You got called on it, doubled down, and look more the fool for it.

And the Earth is warming from CO2 added to the atmosphere by humans.

Teach is right. You are a miserable person. In a discussion on an image, you still want to go off topic to the lie of AGW.

Even so, returning to the topic at hand, Teach did not steal anything, and was not guilty of breaking any law. Secondly, you may want to look up “Rule 5″ for bloggers. His “You Might Be A Warmist If…” is a humorous adaptation of that rule and most people know and understand that.

If you don’t, your ignorance is on you and not people here or Teach.

We all realize that you have a tendency to project your feelings and beliefs on others. Liberals hate minorities so you claim others do. Liberals embrace ignorance, so you project that on others. Liberals won’t live up to the standards of equality they demand from others.

Teach is dead on about you. You live a miserable life.

 
Comment by William Teach
2014-01-13 19:15:53

See, GC, if this were a liberal site, Jeff would have no problem with the photo and any use of it. Becquerel politics. But, since it is here on a conservative site, he wants to make a big deal.

I snag some photos at Ned Hardy and Caveman Circus, both sites with a liberal bend.

Of course, Jeff doesnt seem to understand the way the internet works. Plus, like most far left folks, just a miserable ball of miserable.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2014-01-14 00:18:38

goatcuddler,

You are ignorant and dishonest beyond belief.

NOTICE: To any readers of this “blog”, do not trust any information contained in goatcuddler’s comments. He lies. Please go to Wikipedia or the FDA site to get an understanding of US patent law as it applies to pharmaceutical development.

goatcuddler has gone off the rails. Cut back on your meth use, dude.

You project your own miserable existence onto me.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2014-01-14 12:18:58

JeffyPoop,

I know facts are inconvenient for you that is why you have to rail against them all the time.

Face it dude, you started a thread that was pointless and based on your astounding lack of knowledge and got your hat handed to you.

I suspect that you are used to it.

 

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