USA Today Tries To Erase Water Vapor From Warming

Water vapor has pretty much always been the #1 greenhouse gas. But, this is a cult, so, even though they are trying to elevate methane (which is way more potent than CO2, has no doubling effect), they still say that carbon pollution is KILLING GAIA!

Fact check: Human-generated CO2, not water vapor, drives climate change

Follow the scienceThe claim: Human-generated CO2 is an insignificant contributor to climate change (snip)

Though the report was described as a “code red for humanity” by UN Secretary-General António Guterres, a years-old claim soon resurfaced on social media claiming that humanity’s CO2 emissions are too minute to impact climate.

A version of the claim in the form of a graphic titled “How climate alarmists use numbers to deceive” was posted to Facebook on Sept. 19 and received hundreds of shares. The graphic also accuses the Environmental Protection Agency of publishing a misleading pie chart that “exaggerates CO2’s role as a greenhouse gas.”

“SCIENTIFIC FACT: Man-made CO2 constitutes only 0.1 to 0.2% of atmospheric greenhouse gases. It is an insignificant contributor to global temperature and climate,” the post concludes.

This claim, which has been repeatedly debunked, is wrong. The human-generated CO2 in the atmosphere is causing significant changes in Earth’s climate, scientists say.

Blah blah blah blah blah cult yammerings blah blah blah

This is not a fact check, unless we consider cults as authoritative sources. Because the first thing you have to do is prove that CO2 output is bad, that it is mostly from mankind. It’s we breath out, and what animals breathe out. But, they correlate a low level rise in global temps with rising CO2. How come previous Holocene warm periods were warmer yet lower CO2?

Water vapor and CO2 behave differently in the atmosphere

The social media post correctly indicates that there can be more water vapor than CO2 in the atmosphere, but it is wrong to offer that as evidence CO2 is insignificant.

This “is an old myth,” said Willis. “This one has been debunked many times.”

The fact that there is typically more water vapor than CO2 in the atmosphere does not change the impact of CO2 on the atmosphere.

Using Skeptical Science is not the dunk they think it is: they are a biased website with biased contributors who are vested in pushing anthropogenic climate doom

CO2 and water vapor both contribute to the “greenhouse effect” that warms the Earth and makes it habitable. However, they play very different roles. Increased CO2 levels cause climate change, whereas increased water vapor levels are caused by climate change.

Oh, F*** right of, this is pure cult. It’s just a case of the doomsday cult blaming everything on carbon pollution. Nutjobs.

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15 Responses to “USA Today Tries To Erase Water Vapor From Warming”

  1. Zachriel says:

    William Teach: Water vapor has pretty much always been the #1 greenhouse gas.

    Yes. The Earth is a watery world. Consequently, atmospheric water vapor content is kept in general equilibrium. If the world warms—for whatever reason—the water vapor content of the atmosphere will tend to increase, increasing the greenhouse effect, and so acting as a positive feedback. If the world cools—for whatever reason—the process works in the opposite direction.

    William Teach: It’s we breath out, and what animals breathe out.

    The carbon dioxide humans and animals exhale was recently fixed from atmospheric carbon dioxide by plants. Respiration is carbon neutral.

    William Teach: How come previous Holocene warm periods were warmer yet lower CO2?

    Primarily due to Milankovitch cycles, changes in Earth’s orbit that affect the amount of solar radiation reaching each latitude. Milankovitch cycles currently predict a sight cooling trend.

    • alanstorm says:

      You’re missing the point – “climate science” is not a science.

      If it was, some of their predictions might come true sometimes.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        The other point the kiddieZ also misinterpret is that the anthropogenic changes in water vapor in the atmosphere are necessarily accompanied by changes in cloudiness. The changes in cloudiness on global temperatures are overwhelmingly more important than the changes in the atmospheric greenhouse gases.
        But the kiddieZ overlook these basic scientific tidbits.
        Hell, the kiddieZ overlook a lot.

      • Zachriel says:

        alanstorm: You’re missing the point – “climate science” is not a science. If it was, some of their predictions might come true sometimes.

  2. alanstorm says:

    Skeptical Science doesn’t deserve the name.

    Their website is nothing but appeal to authority and apples/oranges comparisons.

    • Zachriel says:

      alanstorm: Their website is nothing but appeal to authority

      Appealing to scientists in fields relevant to the question is more than appropriate.

  3. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Teach: Oh, F*** right of, this is pure cult. It’s just a case of the doomsday cult blaming everything on carbon pollution. Nutjobs.

    Denial cultist and Nutjob Teach displays his deepening ignorance and frustration daily. Yes, water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas but doesn’t continually increase independent of CO2. Teach may notice that water also exists as a liquid that falls from the sky quite regularly! As the atmosphere warms the average amount of water vapor increases. This is one of those amplifying positive feedback loops of which you hear scientific authorities speak.

    • drowningpuppies says:

      Rimjob Yes, water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas but doesn’t continually increase independent of CO2.

      You wanna show us a citation for that or did you just make that up?


    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      from your friends at the American Chemical Society (ACS):

      It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature. This is because the temperature of the surrounding atmosphere limits the maximum amount of water vapor the atmosphere can contain. If a volume of air contains its maximum amount of water vapor and the temperature is decreased, some of the water vapor will condense to form liquid water. This is why clouds form as warm air containing water vapor rises and cools at higher altitudes where the water condenses to the tiny droplets that make up clouds.

      The greenhouse effect that has maintained the Earth’s temperature at a level warm enough for human civilization to develop over the past several millennia is controlled by non-condensable gases, mainly carbon dioxide, CO2, with smaller contributions from methane, CH4, nitrous oxide, N2O, and ozone, O3. Since the middle of the 20th century, small amounts of man-made gases, mostly chlorine- and fluorine-containing solvents and refrigerants, have been added to the mix. Because these gases are not condensable at atmospheric temperatures and pressures, the atmosphere can pack in much more of these gases . Thus, CO2 (as well as CH4, N2O, and O3) has been building up in the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution when we began burning large amounts of fossil fuel.

      If there had been no increase in the amounts of non-condensable greenhouse gases, the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere would not have changed with all other variables remaining the same. The addition of the non-condensable gases causes the temperature to increase and this leads to an increase in water vapor that further increases the temperature. This is an example of a positive feedback effect. The warming due to increasing non-condensable gases causes more water vapor to enter the atmosphere, which adds to the effect of the non-condensables.

      There is also a possibility that adding more water vapor to the atmosphere could produce a negative feedback effect. This could happen if more water vapor leads to more cloud formation. Clouds reflect sunlight and reduce the amount of energy that reaches the Earth’s surface to warm it. If the amount of solar warming decreases, then the temperature of the Earth would decrease. In that case, the effect of adding more water vapor would be cooling rather than warming. But cloud cover does mean more condensed water in the atmosphere, making for a stronger greenhouse effect than non-condensed water vapor alone – it is warmer on a cloudy winter day than on a clear one. Thus the possible positive and negative feedbacks associated with increased water vapor and cloud formation can cancel one another out and complicate matters. The actual balance between them is an active area of climate science research.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        Still waiting, Rimjob.
        Maybe you didn’t understand.
        Nowhere in your Copy & Paste does it state that water vapor doesn’t continually increase independent of CO2.
        Wanna try again, dipshit?

        BWAHA! LOLGF

  4. drowningpuppies says:

    Climate change has not been documented. Instead the global warming alarmists are relying upon political figures and movie celebrities more noted for their good looks than their knowledge of anything. More recently they are relying upon attractive and sincere children to make the case for the danger of catastrophic global warming and leaving it for the skeptics to tell these children that they really do not know anything about the subject they are talking about. They know what only the pronouncements of the proponents of political control of the economy have told them.

    And by children we should include Rimjob and the KiddieZ.


  5. Teach says:

    Most climatologists agree thst the global temperature is warmer now than during any previous holicene time
    Are you suggesting to us that neither volcanic nor orbital changes ate NOT the reasons for temp spikes in the past? Prove it!!

  6. Hairy says:

    You agree that Temps are going up BUT you can’t accept CO2 as tge reason But you can’t present an alternative

    • david7134 says:

      It is not necessary to provide an answer to climate change. If you throw out a hypothesis, then scientist are only responsible for showing your model does not work. In regard to the climate hoax, it is only necessary to look at the one and only solution presented by the believers in the climate religion. That solution is global communistic government with the unilateral destruction of US/ European economies with little to no restrictions on the major polluters, the Asians.

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