New Yorker Wonders If Government Should Introduce A COVID Vaccine Mandate

Say, I wonder if The New Yorker mandates all their employees get the vaccine?

Should the Government Impose a National Vaccination Mandate?

Earlier this month, a parent asked a question on the community-discussion listserv for the Cambridge, Massachusetts, school district where my teen-ager will start high school this fall. Since the state routinely requires students to have certain vaccinations for enrolling in public school, would it also require vaccination against covid-19, once the F.D.A. moved the authorization status from “emergency use” to full approval? Other parents replied that they supported a requirement, predictably invoking science, public health, and communal values. But the vehemence of their opponents, in highly vaccinated Cambridge, took me by surprise. There were recriminations about interference with personal choice and references to Nazi Germany. One participant accused another of bullying and threatened to consult an attorney.

On Monday, the F.D.A. did grant full approval to the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for people sixteen and older, and a decision on the Moderna vaccine is likely to follow in weeks, raising the question of how far and wide the government will now push covid-vaccine mandates. In July, the Department of Veterans Affairs became the first federal agency to require some of its employees to get the vaccine or face possible termination. President Biden recently ordered all federal workers to attest that they are vaccinated or else wear masks and get tested weekly. Within hours of the F.D.A.’s full approval of the Pfizer vaccine, the Defense Department announced that it would mandate that all 1.4 million active-duty military members be vaccinated. On the same day, public university systems in New York, Minnesota, and Louisiana rolled out similar requirements for students. Such mandates may be met with intense resistance: the Pentagon’s pre-F.D.A.-approval vaccination efforts, for example, were highly divisive, and more than a third of service members are, at present, not fully vaccinated.

Jeannie Suk Gerse then dives into much of the same information from the article I posted from CNN yesterday. Surely there’s no coordination between news outlets in pushing this, right?

Strong resistance to government-mandated vaccination isn’t new. In 1853, Britain imposed the first mandatory vaccinations, requiring parents to inoculate infant children against smallpox or face heavy fines.

The U.S. is not Britain, and we have a Bill of Rights and state Bills of Rights. Oh, and the smallpox vaccine is virtually 100% effective.

The Court, in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, disagreed, reciting the principle that individual liberty is not absolute in the face of “the common good,” and that “real liberty for all” depends on restraining individual exercises of liberty that harm others. …

But, not taking the vaccine only harms you. People with the vaccine can still get COVID, and even be non-symptomatic. If the non-vaxxed want to take the chance on getting much, much sicker than those who took the vaccine, that’s on them. The NY Times is currently reported on breakthrough COVID cases, which are “Uncommon and Often Mild, but Not Always”.

No city or state has yet issued a straight-up requirement that all private citizens be vaccinated against covid-19, along the lines of the Massachusetts smallpox-vaccination law upheld in Jacobson, but some have edged toward it. The closest so far is New York City’s requirement of proof of having received at least one dose for access to certain activities, including indoor dining, gyms, and performances. Various states have also ordered certain subsets of their populations, including health-care and nursing-home workers, school teachers, and state employees, to be vaccinated or face regular testing. The F.D.A.’s full approval of the vaccine this week makes it more likely that cities and states will impose general mandates on residents. If they do, they can feel confident that such requirements will be upheld by the courts, so long as they include medical and religious exemptions.

Yeah, well, we’ll see if suits are filed.

Alternatively, Congress could rely on the Spending Clause to pass new laws that condition the transfer of federal funds to a state upon its establishing a vaccination mandate. Congress could also use the Commerce Clause to institute a national requirement as a regulation of interstate commerce. But those sweepingly ambitious federal routes are guaranteed to become mired in tremendous political pushback that could ultimately increase public resistance to vaccination, not to mention constitutional challenges claiming federal overreach. Short of those methods, the federal government still has myriad ways that it may yet push states, institutions, and citizens to do more than they otherwise would, with an arsenal of inducements, pressures, conditions, and threats. Depending on how things progress with the coronavirus variants, a national vaccination mandate may remain possible as a last resort.

They really, really do want to find a way to force people to get the vaccines. That might work if the effective rate was at least 95%, but, we’re finding that they are well below that.

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46 Responses to “New Yorker Wonders If Government Should Introduce A COVID Vaccine Mandate”

  1. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    TEACH: Surely there’s no coordination between news outlets in pushing this, right?

    Certainly no more than the right-wing press, RNC and right-wing blogosphere coordinate their tales.

    But it’s understandable that Teach holds the legitimate media to a higher standard.

    • Dana says:

      I tied together some of the different stories, all about shortages of people to drive school buses, work in school cafeterias, and the like, noticing that none of the credentialed media will report on the larger issue, that these shortages are being caused, in part, to people unwilling to do jobs in which there is a mask mandate.

      The CEO of Ford, Jim Farley, noted that the company is having serious problems with worker absenteeism, and saying the quiet part out loud:

      It’s people who say, ‘I don’t want to wear a mask this week.’

      It isn’t only the mask mandate, but it’s part of it.

      I’m an old, retired guy, out in the boondocks of eastern Kentucky, and I can tie these stories together; why can’t the credentialed media?

  2. Zachriel says:

    William Teach: Oh, and the smallpox vaccine is virtually 100% effective.

    The smallpox vaccine is about 95% effective decreasing over time, but with mass vaccination, the virus can’t get a foothold and dies out.
    https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/vaccine-basics/index.html

    William Teach: But, not taking the vaccine only harms you.

    That is incorrect. Being a potential carrier of disease can affect others.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyJgWOmXIAQ3JnG.png

    • Kye says:

      “That is incorrect. Being a potential carrier of disease can affect others.”

      So what? We are all potential carriers of a multitude of diseases some significantly more deadly than Wuhan biden Flu.

      I don’t think that anyone here is arguing that if the Commie biden Flu was as deadly as smallpox or other diseases a THOUGHTFUL national mandate MAY be considered, but for a disease slightly more deadly than the regular flu all this panic and hysteria is bullshit.

      We should encourage the vaxxing of the elderly (like me), those with comorbidities (like me) and the obese. Everyone else as Free American Citizens is entitled to live a Free existence whether radical leftists, communists, fascists or the 3Blind Mice like it or not.

      There is no Constitutional exclusion that states we can have our rights (which BTW come from God, not Fauxci or Junta joe) permanently cancelled because of “an emergency”. Two weeks to flatten the curve my ass.

      Had the fascists in charge just protected the elderly and those others we would all have herd immunity by now. But like everything else the left touches they just had to fuk up the economy, employment and inflation to stop a fukin flu.

      If you leftist have the balls read this. It won’t change your minds about anything, facts never do, but it may get you thinking.:

      https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/coog30gmailcom_how_informed_consent_became_coercion_of_the_uninformed.html

    • Kye says:

      “The smallpox vaccine is about 95% effective decreasing over time, but with mass vaccination, the virus can’t get a foothold and dies out.”

      Which makes it “virtually 100% effective” as Teach stated. So what’s your point?

      P.S. Good google job, got those numbers don to the +/- margin of error!

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: So what? We are all potential carriers of a multitude of diseases some significantly more deadly than Wuhan biden Flu.

      Smallpox isn’t an issue with zero cases, but COVID is an issue with millions of cases.

      Kye: There is no Constitutional exclusion that states we can have our rights

      The power of government to protect public health during deadly pandemics is deeply embedded in common law, statutory law, and judicial precedent.

      Kye: Which makes it “virtually 100% effective” as Teach stated.

      There’s a big difference between 0% chance of getting smallpox and a 5% chance of getting smallpox, with the chances increasing over time.

      • alanstorm says:

        The power of government to protect public health during deadly pandemics is deeply embedded in common law, statutory law, and judicial precedent.

        If only COVID was as deadly as those who want power would like it to be, you might have a point. It’s not, outside of specific groups. If those people think they need a vaccination, more power to them.

        Is there any abuse of governmental power that you DON’T approve of?

        • Zachriel says:

          alanstorm: If only COVID was as deadly as those who want power would like it to be, you might have a point.

          COVID has already killed 650 thousand, just in the U.S. It’s obviously a deadly disease.

  3. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    TEACH: not taking the vaccine only harms you

    If only that were true. Again TEACH doesn’t seem to understand the communicable disease process. People with Covid infections can spread it to others, many who may not be vaccinated, e.g., children under 12. Several states have record numbers of children hospitalized with Covid.

    If everyone is vaccinated Covid dies out. Unless we wait too long and the next, more virulent, vaccine evading variant comes along. Infected humans are incubators for generation of new variants.

    • Dana says:

      Except, of course, since the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting the virus, the vaccinated can spread the virus as well.

      • Zachriel says:

        Dana: Except, of course, since the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting the virus

        Yeah, you’re right. You can get the smallpox vaccine and still get smallpox if you are exposed.

      • Phil says:

        Actually, a study cited by the CDC says that vaccinated people carry as high a viral load as unvaccinated people, so they can spread it well. The load diminishes more quickly in the vaccinated than it does the unvaccinated, so they don’t spread it for as long a time.

        Given that vaccinated people are getting infected by the variants in fairly high numbers, and they have the viral load to infect others, the government mantra that things will be over when we get enough people vaccinated is (as usual) complete bullshit.

        • Zachriel says:

          Phil: Actually, a study cited by the CDC says that vaccinated people carry as high a viral load as unvaccinated people, so they can spread it well.

          CDC: The risk of infection, hospitalization, and death are all much lower in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people.

          Because the risk of infection is lower, there is lower probability of retransmission by those who are vaccinated. When it comes to contagious diseases, lowering the Reproduction Number will reduce the spread. If the Reproduction Number is reduced below one, the contagion will tend to die out.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Again the KiddieZ are lying.
            So is the CDC but the CDC should know better.

            The safety signal analysis employed by the CDC, VSD, and associated regulatory agencies uses methods that are not simply ill-suited to the task, but mask substantial indications that large numbers of people are being injured, often seriously, or even killed by the COVID-19 vaccines currently in use.
            The inequivalent definitions used in mortality calculations results in inexcusably rigged risk-benefit analyses, and the lack of investigation into causes of mortality (both for the COVID-19 disease and also for the COVID-19 vaccines) stands out as historically monumental malpractice and dereliction of duty. The mass vaccination program should be halted while true risk-benefits of the vaccines are assessed, and regulatory agencies fully investigated for conflicts of interest and intention to defraud the public of its opportunity for informed consent.

            https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/defining-away-vaccine-safety-signals-572

            #SellTheLie
            #TrustUs
            Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  4. drowningpuppies says:

    People with the vaccine can still get COVID, and even be non-symptomatic. If the non-vaxxed want to take the chance on getting much, much sicker than those who took the vaccine, that’s on them. The NY Times is currently reported on breakthrough COVID cases, which are “Uncommon and Often Mild, but Not Always”.

    That has not been proven at all.

    Further reading for insight into the vaccines.

    https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/defining-away-vaccine-safety-signals-572

    #BelieveTheLie
    #TrustUsTheySay
    Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  5. Hairy says:

    Americans always got vaccinations
    Make America Great Again
    High taxes on the rich
    Paper straws
    Vaccinations
    Good highways and trains

  6. Drew45.8 says:

    A third of our population had already had the Covid by the end of 2020.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/26/1-in-3-americans-had-covid-by-the-end-of-2020-models-estimate-thats-four-times-the-official-count/?sh=3c80921dfe8b

    There were similar studies done in the early days with antibody tests, large numbers of random people, enough to figure out that the number who had had this was many times higher than what was being reported.

    Almost 9 months into 2021, I’d bet that number is quite a bit higher.

  7. Kye says:

    The CDC seems to be little more than liars and demofascist operatives. You need a more reliable link.

    That’s what happens when a bureaucracy changes it’s story every other day to fit the narrative of a political party. People stop believing. Just like we’ve stopped believing the Liar-in-chief. Just like we’ve stopped believing the 3 Blind Mice.

    • drowningpuppies says:

      The CDC are little more than J-Street lobbyists for Big Pharma.

      Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: The CDC seems to be little more than liars and demofascist operatives.

      Citing the CDC is a much stronger argument than “Is not!” or “They’re a bunch of demofascists!”

      • drowningpuppies says:

        KiddieZ: Citing the CDC is a much stronger argument than “Is not!” or “They’re a bunch of demofascists!”

        Not really. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

        Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  8. Kye says:

    “Citing the CDC is a much stronger argument than “Is not!” or “They’re a bunch of demofascists!”

    So citing the demofascists is a stronger argument than pointing out they are demofascists? Thank you. You just proved my point that your argument is based on a bureaucratic institution that is little more than an appendage of the demofascist narrative and at the same time illustrated how vacuous you leftists are on original thought. The CDC as it is today has sold its soul to the DNC and has as much to do with actual medicine or science as you do.

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing,” is a widely quoted paraphrase of Edmund Burke. But maybe there are no good progressives. Maybe their governing philosophy is, by its very objective and definition, illegitimate, intentionally ill-suited to achieving the goals of an open-market, merit-based society like the America our Founders envisioned.

    The progressives’ ignoble, duplicitous actions led to droolin’ biden’s “win.” They stood by and voted against the most beneficial, productive president this country has seen since World War II and they willingly perpetrated the fraud that put sniffer biden in office. One thing is pretty obvious to everyone: they’re not getting together behind closed doors and discussing surrender joe’s failure amongst themselves. On the contrary, any honest, self-reflective progressive thought instantly evaporates and disappears like the steam that vanishes the moment the shower door is opened.

    BTW, the vaxx is all a big lie:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/coog30gmailcom_how_informed_consent_became_coercion_of_the_uninformed.html

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: So citing the demofascists is a stronger argument than pointing out they are demofascists?

      It’s the genetic fallacy.

  9. david7134 says:

    I will remind everyone that the Z’s are just a bunch of dumbass, soy boy, high school children and don’t have a clue about any aspect of medicine. Do not take their wisdom as anything more than bullshit. Jeff on the other hand is just an asshole and will change positions depending on the stance of the communist.

    • Kye says:

      Of course, david7143. We recall when Elwood was against vaccine before he was for it. As a true believer Elwood hated vaccine when Trump started his Operation Warp Speed as were his demented heroes Kameltoe and Dumbass joe.

      Of course once the official demofascist narrative switched to pro vaccine so did Elwood.

      Why do leftists hate Truth so much?

      Now that sniffin’ joe Junta has humiliated America, betrayed our allies and caused the death of our troops in a totally fuked up rout in Afghanistan I expect an apology from all the liars who voted for this demented child molester.

      • Zachriel says:

        Kye: Trump started his Operation Warp Speed as were his demented heroes {Kamala Harris} and {Joe Biden}.

        That is incorrect. Neither were against the development or use of the vaccine. They did, however, indicate distrust of anything Trump said.

        • est1950 says:

          K. Harris said she would not take a vaccine rushed to market led by Trump.

          Harris claims she would not take coronavirus vaccine suggested by Trump
          October 9, 2020
          In this article:

          Sen. Kamala Harris uses vice presidential debate as platform to double down on claims she would not take coronavirus vaccine if the president says the U.S. should

          Harris and the litany of DEMOCRATS spread lies about the vaccine which scared the shit out of people. Why do you think BLACKS don’t’ want anything to do with this vaccine. They are in fact Democratic voters.

          JOE BIDEN………‘I’m not taking it’: Joe Biden, Kamala Harris led Covid vaccine skepticism parade before election

          In this interview in September of 2020, Biden outright suggested it would be unsafe to take a coronavirus vaccine shot because then-President Donald Trump “continues to mislead and lie.’

          “An enormous pressure put on the CDC not to put out the detailed guidelines. Enormous pressure being put on the FDA to say the following protocol will have a giant impact on COVID. All these things turn out not to be true, and when a president continues to mislead and lie,” he said.

          “When we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? Are you going to be the first one to say sign me up?”

          Wrong ZACH. Biden and HARRIS led the charge AGAINST THE VACCINE and once again they show their inability to lead this nation just as with Afghanistan and selling the USA to Billionaires in their BUILD BACK BETTER WORLD RESET in which it is declared the USA WILL NOT BE IN CHARGE OF THE WORLD BUT RATHER A DOZEN NATIONS….led of course by CHINA….THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY…hell they are advertising this shit on TV around the world.

          • Zachriel says:

            est1950: Sen. Kamala Harris uses vice presidential debate as platform to double down on claims she would not take coronavirus vaccine if the president says

            As an exercise, you might try to find a primary source rather than relying on what you may have heard in the right-wing echo chamber.

            Kamala Harris: “If Dr. Fauci, the doctors, tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. But if Donald Trump tells us we should take it, I’m not going to take it.”

            https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Vice-President candidate Harris on Sept. 6, 2020:

            “Well, I think that’s going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he’s talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word.”

            and in October 2020:

            If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”

            Then candidate Biden:

            “Americans have had to endure President Trump’s incompetence and dishonesty, when it comes to testing and personal protective equipment. We can’t afford to repeat those fiascos when it comes to a vaccine. … Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump, and at this moment, the American people can’t either. Last week, Senator Harris and I laid out three questions this administration’s going to have to answer to assure the American people that politics will not play a role whatsoever in the vaccine process. If Donald Trump can’t give answers and the administration can’t give answers to these three questions, the American people should not have confidence.”

            They didn’t trust Donald Trump (who would, who should?), but would trust public health officials and doctors.

            Note too that President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris and former Vice President Mike Pence were vaccinated early and on TV. Trump was vaccinated in secret.

            To Trump’s everlasting credit he did NOT try to significantly politicize the development and implementation of the vaccines. He allowed the system to work. His administration initiated Operation Warp Speed which invested $14 billion in the development and guaranteed purchase of vaccines. To the credit of Pfizer-BioNTech, moderna, Janssen, the NIH, CDC and especially, the FDA, they followed established guidelines for the development of the vaccines.

            Trump supported the vaccine both directly and indirectly.

            “It will save millions of lives, and soon end the pandemic once and for all,” Trump said Dec. 11, the day the FDA authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for use.

            “These vaccines are also very safe,” Trump continued. “American citizens participated in clinical trials that were far larger than normal, and had no serious side effects. The dedicated and independent experts at the FDA meticulously studied the results of the trials, and it has now passed the gold standard of safety.”

            Could he have done more? Sure. But that applies to everyone.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Kye,

        You recall when I was against the vaccine? I don’t recall that. You may be letting your imaginings guide your consciousness. Just a watch out.

        I’ve never supported trump but have always strongly supported the scientific professionals at the NIH, CDC and FDA, and had confidence in the scientists at companies such as BioNTech, Pfizer and moderna. It has been my experience that scientists, as a group, are thoughtful, honest and dedicated. Politicians and business leaders typically have more selfish agendas.

  10. Kye says:

    So then she DID say she won’t take it if Donald Trump said we should? All you needed to do was tell est1950 he was correct. BTW she also made that statement more than once. You should try and check a primary source that does not have a political narrative (if that is even possible with the left owning the media).

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1302280854199308288

    Just because you choose to make the Fauxci shit your main point does not eliminate the fact she stated she wouldn’t take the vaccine if Trump endorsed it.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Kye,

      Mr est left out important context, that Senator Harris had said she trusted health care professionals but not President Trump.

      She would not take Trump’s recommendation alone. With Trump’s history of lying that is probably a reasonable position. If the FDA withdrew vaccine approval, would you take only VP Harris’ admonition to take it??

      We agree with Mr. Trump, President Biden, VP Harris and health care professionals that the vaccines are safe, effective and their widespread administration is the key to stopping the pandemic.

      It’s curious that so many Trump supporters now shun the vaccine. Do you think Mr. Trump was lying about his support of vaccination?

      BTW, twitter is not a primary source.

  11. Kye says:

    BTW, you didn’t watch the twitter feed you fukin moron. It was of a CNN interview. Try watching the link before opening your big stupid mouth.

    So Kameltoe DID say she would not take the vaccine if it was endorsed by Trump. Correct?

    “It’s curious that so many Trump supporters now shun the vaccine. Do you think Mr. Trump was lying about his support of vaccination?”

    It’s also very curious how many PhD’s don’t want the vaxx. It’s also curious that you commies NEVER give Trump credit for pushing the vaccine. It’s also curious that thousands of people recovered by therapeutic use of HCQ and other cheap drugs suggested by Trump and all but made illegal by the politicians and bureaucrats at the CDC. Including my own sister.

    You leftist have done with medicine what you have done to everything else; politicized it. Now nobody trusts medicine because half of them have been made partisan liars.

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: So {Kamala Harris} DID say she would not take the vaccine if it was endorsed by Trump. Correct?

      Yes, but would take it if recommended by the medical community. Considering Trump’s lack of credibility (inject disinfectant), that is a reasonable position to take.
      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Kye,

      I did watch the CNN interview. Did you??? Did you read the transcript?

      I’m not a “commie” but did you not read what I wrote above?

      To Trump’s everlasting credit he did NOT try to significantly politicize the development and implementation of the vaccines. He allowed the system to work. His administration initiated Operation Warp Speed which invested $14 billion in the development and guaranteed purchase of vaccines. To the credit of Pfizer-BioNTech, moderna, Janssen, the NIH, CDC and especially, the FDA, they followed established guidelines for the development of the vaccines.

      Trump supported the vaccine both directly and indirectly.

      “It will save millions of lives, and soon end the pandemic once and for all,” Trump said Dec. 11, the day the FDA authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for use.

      “These vaccines are also very safe,” Trump continued. “American citizens participated in clinical trials that were far larger than normal, and had no serious side effects. The dedicated and independent experts at the FDA meticulously studied the results of the trials, and it has now passed the gold standard of safety.”

      I agree with Mr Trump that the vaccines have been shown to be safe and effective and should be widely used. Don’t you? If not, why not?

      • Kye says:

        I believe the vaccines can help people. I also believe they can kill people. I also know they have not been thoroughly vetted and tested and what approvals they do have were rushed through. You know all these things too yet you seem to insist EVERYONE be vaccinated when obviously everyone should not.

        I also believe in Freedom of choice and if this flu had the same mortality rate as the bubonic plague I may agree with you but with a mortality of less than 2% it is not worth the panic and elimination of our personal Freedom. It is not worth the denial of people’s jobs, food, association, education, military service and all the rest of the Freedom killing mandates the Nazi’s in charge want to impose on a Free people in the name of a flu.

        I also have arrived at the point where I am dubious at best about the “truth” we are being force fed by the government, the big pharma, the bureaucracy and the media. Fauxci and his allies in the media have changed their minds and reversed themselves so many times over the last year it’s mind boggling.

        You, OTOH, are ready as usual to swallow any bullshit the government throws your way…as soon as Trump wasn’t the voice of the government. Just like your HQC denial. It’s not because of the few “studies” but because of Trump. There are many studies that show HCQ is an effective therapeutic when combined with other drugs but 1) they are banned from social media so you can’t see them, 2) have been censored by the MSM and 3) are shut down without debate to keep people in the dark. Obviously your desire to follow the mandates of the “experts” exceeds your curiosity about alternate solutions.

        My main problem is being told by people who hate me and would rather I be dead that I have to put a possibly unsafe drug into my body.

        BTW, from all the policies, programs and people you have endorsed at this blog over the years you are indeed a communist or a fascist. In fact this is the very first time you tried to deny it. I have actually been confused as to whether you are a communist or a fascist could you clear that up for us? Since you hate America, White people, Christians, Jews and anyone who disagrees with the leftist narrative what else would you call yourself. Perhaps a mooslem? Since you believe in forcing other people to do your bidding in the name of it being “good for them or good for you” only a despot thinks like that. It’s not the American way. Every problem that arises you always land on the side of limiting Freedom. What would you call that? Certainly ain’t a Patriotic American. They are dead on the Capitol floor or the Abbey Gate in Kabul not making millions selling drugs in St. Louis.

        Why would I listen to a man who hates me and all I believe in when he tells me to have an unproven drug inserted in my body?

  12. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Kye,

    We don’t know if you’re a Christian or not, but we have noticed your deterioration of late, especially your tendency to violent ideation and anger.

    John 13:34-35
    A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

    Luke 6:35
    But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

    Ephesians 4:31-32
    Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

    And as child of the 60s you likely remember Desiderata:

    Desiderata
    GO PLACIDLY amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

    Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.

    Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

    Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

    Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

    Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass.

    Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.

    Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

    Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.

    And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

    By Max Ehrmann © 1927

    • drowningpuppies says:

      It’s probably those voices in your head, Rimjob.
      Ya know the ones that keep telling you Saigon Joey is the president and he’s oing a great job.
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      #MakeThemGoAwayMommy
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  13. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Kye: I believe the vaccines can help people. I also believe they can kill people. I also know they have not been thoroughly vetted and tested and what approvals they do have were rushed through.

    There is no evidence that the vaccines have killed anyone. How do you know they have not been thoroughly vetted and tested? They were tested in HUGE clinical trials with 10s of thousands of individuals and have now been administered to over 100 million Americans! The FDA takes up to a year to review the data on a new drug, and the time can be reduced if granted Breakthrough Therapy status. There is no evidence that the FDA cut any corners in approving the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

    I’m a social liberal American and believe in the advancement of American and human ideals. We believe our government institutions can help insure equality of opportunity but not outcomes, and can help the disadvantaged. We believe in a regulated Capitalist economy. We believe in progress.

  14. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Porter’s sock-puppet, Bungholio, dipshit that he is, did not offer any evidence that the Covid-19 antibodies have killed anyone.

    Robert Kennedy Jr and Joseph Mercola?? Really, Teach? This is the best you can get?

    • drowningpuppies says:

      So far several citations have been provided. Yet you’ve yet to offer any evidence to the contrary or to back your made up assertions.
      Have you lost your ability to read?
      But being the dipshit you are one would guess that’s an affirmative on your part.

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      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Teach, dipshit that you are, your citations are blog posts by other dipshits.

        You might as well use Rudy Giuliani as an expert on election fraud.

        • drowningpuppies says:

          So, Rimjob, you won’t or can’t provide any serious rebuttal to the numerous analytical studies and treatments by actual physicians worldwide that have been provided for you.

          Thanks again for showing your ignorance, dumbass.

          BTW what does Guiliana or Teach have to do with your stupidity?

          #AngryAtLosingTheNarrative
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