COVID Today: New Orleans Threatens With Vaccine Mandates, New Mexico Reinstitutes Masking

Of all the mandates, particularly vaccine ones, I’ve yet to read of a government going this wonkers

New Orleans city officials say they will shut down businesses ‘on the spot’ that do not follow vaccine mandate

Mask FascismBusinesses including bars and restaurants in New Orleans that violate the vaccine or negative test mandate could be shut down immediately. The City says it will start enforcing the mandate on Monday, August 23, 2021.

But some in the service industry see this mandate as a step in the right direction for restaurant recovery and keeping doors open for business.

Currently, the mandate in New Orleans is for businesses deemed “high risk for transmission,” such as indoor dining and bars, indoor gyms and fitness classes, indoor entertainment spaces, and certain large outdoor events, must require employees and guests to show proof of at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine or a negative PCR test within the last 72 hours.

“When the mandate came out, I think me along with a lot of small business owners were just thankful,” said Chef and Owner of Boucherie Nathanial Zimet.

He said enforcing this new mandate is a big change, but one he’s happy to do if it means keeping the doors to his restaurant open.

I wonder how happy they’ll be when traffic drops? I wonder how happy New Orleans will be when visitors decide to just go elsewhere? Also, what does 1 shot of a 2 shot regimen do? It really means nothing if you haven’t had the 2nd shot. Interestingly, the article failed to ask anyone if they had a problem with this. Or just didn’t bother including them

In New Orleans, as cases of COVID-19 continue to rise, city spokesperson Beau Tidwell said they are happy to see businesses like Boucherie complying with the proof of vaccination mandate.

“People support this because they know it’s the best way forward. We appreciate the businesses that are trying to do what’s right. We also understand that it’s not like flicking the switch, that there is an adjustment period,” said Tidwell.

Tidwell said that come Monday, August 23, those businesses not in compliance could face penalties as strong as an immediate shutdown.

“You’ve seen that happen before. We don’t want to do it. We want people to be open,” he said. “We don’t want a shutdown. We don’t want to shut you down. We want everybody to be in compliance. We want everybody to get vaccinated.”

But, don’t call this tyranny. Is the stick method the best way to get compliance? Also, New Orleans is a heavily Democrat leaning city: why are so many not vaccinated?

Lujan Grisham reinstitutes mask mandate, requires vaccines in high-risk settings

Time to mask up again, New Mexico.

As COVID-19 cases fueled by the highly contagious delta variant continue to worry health officials and stress New Mexico’s already short-staffed hospital network, the state once again will require face masks to be worn in all public indoor spaces under a public health order issued Tuesday.

In addition, all employees at hospitals and congregate care facilities, such as nursing homes, hospice centers and prisons, must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Unvaccinated employees must obtain their first dose within 10 days and their second shot, depending on the type of vaccine, within 40 days of the first. (snip)

All employees at public, private and charter schools also will be required to be vaccinated or tested for COVID-19 weekly — a requirement that mirrors the policy for state government workers.

I do believe that New Mexico is the first state to go back into a full mask mandate after lifting it. The masks should work just as well this time as last time. Barely at all.

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73 Responses to “COVID Today: New Orleans Threatens With Vaccine Mandates, New Mexico Reinstitutes Masking”

  1. Hairy says:

    Teach
    Really you must begin to fact check yourself before posting
    The first dose of Pfizer or moderna is about 80% effective
    This is common knowledge and easily verified
    Cnbc.com
    March 29 2021
    And people don’t want EVs???
    Ford has now taken over 200000 reservations for its 2 EV trucks, theightning and the Maverick Many of these are being sold to fleet owners who realize that they will provide a 5 year vost of ownership less than a gas powered truck

    • est1950 says:

      The first dose of Pfizer or moderna is about 80% effective
      This is common knowledge and easily verified

      Dion Dawkins Offensive Tackle for the Buffalo bills spent 4 days in the hospital having had the first shot and then was 11 days into having the second shot of Pfizer when he got the Corona virus and spent 4 days in the hospital in distress.

      He is strong, powerful and in excellent shape.

      Do you always believe everything MSNBC says Hairy, because you know they are a CORPORATION whose sole function is to MAKE MONEY FOR STOCK HOLDERS.

      My how the worm has turned their Hairy.

      • Zachriel says:

        est1950: Dion Dawkins Offensive Tackle for the Buffalo bills spent 4 days in the hospital having had the first shot and then was 11 days into having the second shot of Pfizer when he got the Corona virus and spent 4 days in the hospital in distress.

        If a one-shot vaccine is 80% effective, does that mean you can’t get infected?

        est1950: He is strong, powerful and in excellent shape.

        Excellent point.

        • Hairy says:

          Foxnews.com
          Aug 3 2021
          Kayla Rivas
          “Covid – 19 breakthrough infections with severe outcomes comprise 0.01 of cases
          Don’t you believe FoxNews?
          Zach
          Really to avoid embarrassment fact check before posting

        • david7134 says:

          Z, the dumbass soy boy,
          No, if you get the vaccine, you can still get the illness. You can have virus in your nose. The vaccine does not mean that you are free and clear. Hopefully, the vaccine will cause subclinical cases and mild infections in others. You are a high school student, you don’t know shit. Don’t comment on things that you are not schooled on that could effect someone’s life.

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: if you get the vaccine, you can still get the illness.

            Yes, you can. However, there is a lower probability of infection, lower probability of transmission, lower probability of hospitalization, and lower probability of death.

          • david7134 says:

            Z,
            You basically said the same thing I did. Once again, you are a child and obviously know very little.

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: You basically said the same thing I did.

            Glad we agree on the importance of vaccination.

          • david7134 says:

            Z, the dumb soy boy,
            We don’t agree. Sure the vac is important. But how come people are not getting it. Because they are scared and stupid folks like yourself don’t help that. I was one of the first to get it even though I had the illness 4 years ago before it took off. And my family have had it. But others are concerned about a shot that plays with your DNA. Now, if they are willing to face death from a virus, manufactured by the Chinese communist and Fauci, then leave them alone.

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: But others are concerned about a shot that plays with your DNA.

            Of course, that isn’t true. In any case, society has a valid interest in preventing the spread of disease.

          • david7134 says:

            Z,
            You are going to tell a doctor what is true about patients? I take it back, you are not a soy boy dumbass, you are a soy girl dumbass.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Doogie Hoser DC,

            No, the mRNA vaccines do not “play with your DNA”, and your appeal to authority shows how desperate you are. You know best!!

            Can you explain how the vaccines “play with your DNA”?

            So you believe you had SARS-CoV-2 four years ago? Interesting.

            Anyway, Mr Zachriel has you tied in knots, doesn’t he? You have nothing but silly insults as refutation, and “I’m a doctor”! LOL.

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: You are going to tell a doctor what is true about patients?

            An appeal to your personal, anonymous expertise is not a valid appeal to authority. Nor is a medical doctor a specialist on genetics.

            In any case, the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are mRNA, and do not modify a person’s DNA. Rather, the mRNAs instruct the ribosomes to manufacture the spike protein associated with the virus, and are then degraded.

        • est1950 says:

          If a one-shot vaccine is 80% effective, does that mean you can’t get infected?

          Your full of bologna.

          A one shot vaccine of the two shot variety is NOT 80 percent effective.

          Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine just 42% effective against infection amid delta spread, preprint suggests

          THIS IS THE PREPRINT STUDY RESULTS OF PFIZER AND MODERNA:

          While results indicated the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were highly effective against COVID-19 infection (76%, 86%, respectively) and hospitalization (85%, 91.6%) the effectiveness against infection dropped by July to 42% and 76%, respectively

          WITH BOTH SHOTS.

          A single shot is ????

          This real-world finding was consistent with an analysis of Pfizer’s clinical trial data reported in 2020 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

          *************In that study, the 52% protection from the first dose included infections that occurred in the first 12 days after vaccination, when one would not expect the vaccine to have had time to generate protective antibodies.*************

          Another real-world study of adults ages 70 and older conducted by Public Health England in early 2021 determined ************that a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine was 61% effective at preventing symptomatic disease 28 days after vaccination***********. Two doses increased effectiveness to 85%-90%.

          In a study published in the journal Nature in July, researchers tested serum from the blood of 16 recent Pfizer vaccine recipients in France. *******After the first dose of the mRNA vaccine, serum from only two of the 16 vaccinated people neutralized the Delta variant******* of the virus. The good news, though, is that after the second vaccine dose, serum from 15 out of 16 people neutralized the Delta variant.

          YOU GUYS HAVE TRULY BECOME SHILLS FOR BIG PHARMA. Incredible that they got you suking their diks with the lies they constantly tell to make money.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Rimjob, dipshit that he is, works for Big Pharma.
            Whaddya expect?

            Bwaha! Lolgf? https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            “Big Pharma” created the vaccines you rely on for protection from SARS-CoV-2. Yet now, you don’t want other Americans to avail themselves of the protection you have!! What a bunch of hypocritic assholes you are.

            No doubt many Americans have honest concerns about the vaccine (honest people, but unlikely true concerns). Anyone who has been vaccinated should shut the fuk up instead of discouraging others.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Maybe some dipshit who foolishly questions if an ophthalmologist is real doctor should probably shut the fuk up.
            Especially a Big Pharma pimp.

            Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

          • david7134 says:

            Pups,
            Cardiologist.

            Note that PFIZER employed Jeff. Good reason to question anything from there. During the time he was there, Pfizer was pushing statins, one of the biggest frauds ever.

    • est1950 says:

      Everyone wants and EV?

      In 2020, worldwide commercial vehicles production dipped under 22 million units.

      Worldwide car sales are expected to grow to just under 70 million automobiles in 2021

      Thats 92 million units.

      The International Energy Agency released its first Global Electric Vehicle Outlook.

      There were 11 million registered electric vehicles on the road at the end of last year….THAT IS TOTAL UNITS EVER SOLD.

      From global electric car sales of 3 million, registrations in Europe more than doubled to 1.4 million, while in China they increased to 1.2 million.

      SO HAIRY IN SHORT 3 million Electric cars sold mostly in the EU and Europe versus 92 million produced per year.

      I think it is you who vastly over estimates the desire of the public at this moment of wanting EV’s.

      • Hairy says:

        Since you didn’t dispute my figures I can only assume you agree that at least 200000 people do want to buy an electric truck from Ford
        Do you feel that is an insignificant number? I don’t
        Also I think it is quite telling that many are being bought by fleet owners
        Not :hippie evo leftists:

    • alanstorm says:

      How are we going to produce the electric power to replace the energy used by burning gasoline?

      Unicorn farts and leprechaun piss, no doubt.

      CA has already been telling owners not to charge their cars…because they don’t produce enough power.

    • Dana says:

      The Hirsute One wrote:

      The first dose of Pfizer or moderna is about 80% effective

      Really? When does it become 80% effective? After all, you are not considered “fully vaccinated” until 14 days after your second shot. If the immunity is a progressive thing, then you need to state at what point teh first shot becomes 80% effective.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        Johnnie, the retarded Buddhist, isn’t very good at math especially after a few bong hits.

        Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  2. est1950 says:

    This is the state of affairs right now covid-19 related.

    My son in law. Got Covid before vaccines. He never was hospitalized. He recovered. Had the anti-bodies from being infected. He then got vaccinated.

    A few days ago he got COVID a second time and is sicker than he was the first time. He is a bit heavy but otherwise 40ish and in good health.

    Covid-19 will destroy the planet. Mark my words and now the Lambda Variant alive in Brazil is coming into the USA via a WIDE OPEN SOUTHERN BORDER BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE LEFT AND BIDEN, and it shows signs of being vaccine resistant.

    We will continue to watch pregnancies decline, 3-5 million per year die to Covid and in the end.

    SO…I suggest you all start stocking up. Seriously. I suggest you all start buying Guns and AMMO…Seriously. Because when society breaks down you will not be able to call 911.

    To survive in the coming apocalypse you will need a support system. Family, Friends and basically a gang. I do not mean become a roving band of murdering thugs, but able to rely on a network of people to survive.

    Going it alone rarely works, this can be attested to in non apocalyptic scenarios like Somalia, Bosnia, Philippines, Vietnam, Laos, etc…etc…etc. It just does not work when the country breaks down.

    • Hairy says:

      4000 dollars per year?? That seems quite excessive
      Most people drive 12000 miles a year
      You want EVs to pay 30 cents or more per mile?
      Assuming that is like 20 times as much as fossil fuel users pay per mile
      I think they should pay something over to 1 or 2 cents per mile
      America was great when straws were plastic

  3. Kye says:

    “he first dose of Pfizer or moderna is about 80% effective
    This is common knowledge and easily verified”

    You need to check your sources Hairy, before you start quoting numbers from the CDC, Pfizer, Moderna or Fauxci. They are all notorious liars and have been doing so for 18 months. Falsus in uno; falsus in omnibus, as the old jurists said – false in one thing, false in all things.

    When you say “common knowledge” about Covid is that the same as saying “settled science” in climate lingo? I mean since both absolute statements are absolute bullshit.

    Teach like the rest of us are saying it’s fine if some people want EV’s (BTW Ford sells 900,000 Fi50’s a year) so it’s good if some folks want ev’s. As long as they pay for them themselves and are taxed $4000 per year road fees to replace gas tax lost. After all, we all must pay for our infrastructure not just the gas and diesel users.

    I hope you’re ready for nuclear power as the world goes fossil free as it’s the only way we’re gonna generate enough electricity to run all this shit.

    • Kye says:

      BTW Hairy, I think I can speak for most of us here when I say I am all for electric cars. As long as they’re optional at the discretion of the buyers. The problem we have (It’s always the same problem) is when fascist leftists think something is a good idea they immediately move to make it mandatory. They can’t help themselves it’s in the fascist DNA.

      • alanstorm says:

        The problem we have (It’s always the same problem) is when fascist leftists think something is a good idea they immediately move to make it mandatory.

        Yep. Consider the “straw ban” in SoCal. If the busybodies thought it was an issue, why didn’t they talk to some of the restaurant associations and ask them to ask people if they want a straw?

        Nope. Got to use the threat of government force.

        • Hairy says:

          4000 dollars per year?? That seems quite excessive
          Most people drive 12000 miles a year
          You want EVs to pay 30 cents or more per mile?
          Assuming that is like 20 times as much as fossil fuel users pay per mile
          I think they should pay something over to 1 or 2 cents per mile
          America was great when straws were plastic

    • Hairy says:

      4000 dollars per year?? That seems quite excessive
      Most people drive 12000 miles a year
      You want EVs to pay 30 cents or more per mile?
      Assuming that is like 20 times as much as fossil fuel users pay per mile
      I think they should pay something over to 1 or 2 cents per mile

  4. Zachriel says:

    William Teach: But, don’t call this tyranny.

    Next thing you know, they’ll be forcing their way into restaurant kitchens to look for “health and safety issues.”

    • alanstorm says:

      Congratulations for confusing apples and oranges again.

      • Zachriel says:

        alanstorm: Congratulations for confusing apples and oranges again.

        Fun fact: COVID-19 is a health and safety issue.

        • Kye says:

          Fun Fact: COVID-19 is a fukin flu. No more, no less. It ain’t the bubonic plague.

          Another Fun Fact: As Free citizens we don’t need bureaucrats passing “mandates” and we don’t need politicians exceeding their Constitutional limits. You seem very content in being treated like an enslaved subject rather than a Free Citizen. I don’t.

          • Zachriel says:

            Kye: Another Fun Fact: As Free citizens we don’t need bureaucrats passing “mandates” and we don’t need politicians exceeding their Constitutional limits.

            Quarantines and other such measures to control disease are deeply embedded both in common law and in statutory law.

  5. Unkle C says:

    Maybe they’re confusing Kumquats and Dragonfruit. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_bye.gif
    On topic, we’ve seen how well the common knowledge has worked so far, when asked to show my papers or wear a yellow star to go in a restaurant, etc. I ‘m afraid I’ll choose somewhere else. Too bad for the staff if they have to close due to lack of customers.
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    • Zachriel says:

      Unkle C: On topic, we’ve seen how well the common knowledge has worked so far, when asked to show my papers or wear a yellow star to go in a restaurant

      Next thing you know, they’ll make you wear clothes to go to a restaurant. All these rules!

      • Kye says:

        Stooping to “ad absurdum” falsely try and prove a point? That’s about your speed, Alinsky. You’re out of logical ammo so ridicule your opponent.

        Wow. You leftist commies really are bereft of any new ideas and have the closed mind to prove it.

        • Zachriel says:

          Kye: Stooping to “ad absurdum” falsely try and prove a point?

          Uh, Unkle C had compared requiring vaccination against contagious diseases when in public to wearing a yellow star, a symbol of the Holocaust. That would be the absurdum.

          • Unkle C says:

            Not the vax, but the ‘passport’, a la ‘your papers’ just like the people who brought you the Holocaust. Don’t be so fast to jump to conclusions.
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          • Zachriel says:

            Unkle C: Not the vax, but the ‘passport’,

            Unkle C had compared requiring proof of vaccination against contagious diseases when in public to wearing a yellow star, a symbol of the Holocaust. That would be the absurdum.

  6. Hairy says:

    4000 dollars per year?? That seems quite excessive
    Most people drive 12000 miles a year
    You want EVs to pay 30 cents or more per mile?
    Assuming that is like 20 times as much as fossil fuel users pay per mile
    I think they should pay something over to 1 or 2 cents per mile
    America was great when straws were plastic

  7. Hairy says:

    Nuclear power in the USA?
    Even if local permits were granted capitalists would never invest in a nuke
    They would not even be able to get insurance on the construction bonds let one insurance for the operating liability
    Of course it might be possible if you wanted to go all socialist and have BIG GOVERNMENT own it

  8. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Yikes, mohther and father both die from Covid leaving behind their 4 orphaned children. Neither parent was vaccinated. Lydia, 42, and Lawrence, 49, didn’t believe in vaccines, although just before being intubated Lydia asked that her children be vaccinated.

    https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/18/mother-dies-covid-19-weeks-after-husband-leaving-children-orphans/?fbclid=IwAR3hbotB4NIe-hKYdHqoSJ2552dMQe77WFaKsCLVKCZAXuVPLi7eIEWwoqw

  9. Kye says:

    Capitalists will invest in anything that they think will make them money so if nukes can they will. All the government needs is to give nuclear builds the same type blanket exemptions they gave the Red Chinese flu vaccine makers. The gov doesn’t need to own the nuke plants besides if the gov owns them they’ll blow the fuk up!

    You really, really, really believe in big government don’t you? Can’t see as I blame you after seeing what a great job they do. Just look at our cities if you need proof. Or perhaps Venezuela, Cuba or N. Korea.

    Why do leftists hate small self government?

  10. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Why do conservatives want to keep spreading Covid?

    • drowningpuppies says:

      Rimjob, being the dipshit that he is, should probably ask that absurd question of black people and see what happens.

      #MakinItUp
      Bwaha! Lolgfy https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  11. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Here’s an essay from a real doctor (not Rand Paul) expanding on the Delta variant of Covid.

    Do conservatives think the real doctors are lying or just stupid?

    • Kye says:

      Woah, wait! Are you saying Rand Paul is NOT a real doctor? See, that’s the kind of lying shit that makes intelligent people not believe a word you say.

      “Do conservatives think the real doctors are lying or just stupid?”

      Not at all. We think YOU”RE both lying and stupid.

      You also need to realize you are picking and choosing your “real” doctors by their political stance, not their credentials. To you only “real” doctors agree with you but other doctors who have done research and came up with a different answer are fukin’ liars, bums, and of course not “real” doctors.

      Once again your commie mind slams shut and no amount of evidence to the contrary can ever open it again. The communist propaganda is strong in you. I blame your parents.

      Why do you hate doctors who disagree with you?

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        If one considers a KY ophthalmologist a real doctor, Kye is right. Senator Paul lies about Covid either out of ignorance or malice. He appears to know no more about virology than his breakfast waitress.

        And yes, one must consider the expertise, training, reputation and political leaning of the experts.

        By all means, find a genuine virologist or infectious disease expert who claims Covid is just like the common flu.

        The family physician from a small Indiana town got his 15 min of FOX Fame, was glib, but wrong.

        Kye accuses others of his own greatest sin – only believing those that support his beliefs.

        Why ignore the scientists, virologists, infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from NIH, CDC, and the most prestigious universities and hospitals in America?

        • drowningpuppies says:

          So Rimjob, dipshit that he is, doesn’t consider an opthalmoligist a real doctor, huh?
          Good to know.

          #KeepBringingTheStupid
          Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  12. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Teach: New Orleans is a heavily Democrat leaning city: why are so many not vaccinated?

    Teach uses this ploy often, imagining that cities contain no conservatives.

    • david7134 says:

      Jeff,
      To use the words of the previous mayor, NO is a chocolate city. There answered your concern about who is not getting the vac. Then, did you notice the reference you gave above, the guy is a Latino. Both of these groups are not getting the jab. Why? Because the word is that it has influence on your nature. But being a dumbass you would not know about any of these revelations.

    • drowningpuppies says:

      What “ploy” would that be, dipshit?
      Maybe you could explain your comment.
      C’mon make something up.

      Bwaha! Lolgfy https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

    • Dana says:

      The City of Brotherly Love gave 81.44% of its votes to the esteemed Mr Biden, yet doesn’t have an 80+% vaccination rate. And, as it happens, the zip codes with the lowest vaccination rates are heavily minority neighborhoods, while the zip codes with the highest vaccination rates are heavily white.

      Real research, real math.

  13. Kye says:

    From Hairy: August 18, 2021 at 3:50 pm
    “david7134: But others are concerned about a shot that plays with your DNA.

    Of course, that isn’t true. In any case, society has a valid interest in preventing the spread of disease.”

    How would you know it isn’t true? Cause CNN told you so? Your mind is sealed shut. A reasonable man would have said: “I don’t think that’s true” or even “The reports I’ve read (citation) seem to disagree. But you immediately snap into lockdown mode as if further discussion is pointless. Sadly, with a closed mind like yours it basically is.

    Furthermore, society also has a valid and much more pressing (in my opinion) interest in maintaining the Freedom to run ones own life. We are talking forcing people to be injected with an un proven, un tested medicine. What happened to “My body, My choice”? Or were you commies lying about that too?

    If it’s so fukin safe why did the government give the manufacturers a blanket exemption from law suits? Huh, why? So far the only people fully protected by the Covid vaccines are the Covid vaccine manufacturers, and they grow richer by the billion$ daily.

    • Zachriel says:

      Kye: How would you know it isn’t true?

      Because that’s not how mRNA vaccines work. Viruses may, however, insert themselves into genomes, such as HIV.

    • est1950 says:

      Talking to a colleague of mine the mRNA vaccines are supposed to remain in the muscle in the arm where the body sends its army to begin preparing defenses. The problem with the vaccines is they DO NOT remain in your army but rather spread through out the body and that is why people develop multiple different symptoms from these vaccines.

      Some get headaches…others dont. Some get fever…others dont. Some get Chills….others dont. Some have aches and pains in the knee others dont.

      The reason is because of the distribution of the spread. IF the mRNA goes to your brain or a region that might cause headaches and the body reacts to it in that location. You get a headache. My granddaughter got a hilariously painful knee…My wife got Sciatica so bad we had to make a return trip to the doctor to get it treated after the second shot and after the first she was couch ridden for a day, exhausted and achy all over. She has many underlying health issues and she accepted Pfizer’s shot very well with no lasting effects going on 4 months now.

      The reason for the multiple different reactions is because every body sends this stuff to different parts of the body where it gets fought….as in Building Immunity.

      Supporting documentation.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118997
      Nov 18, 2000 · To make sure the needle reaches the muscle and that vaccine does not seep into subcutaneous tissue the decision on the size of the needle and injection site should be made individually for each person. … and the size of the muscle. 9. In a recent study, the thickness of the fat pad above the deltoid muscle of the upper arm …

      Why this is important is because for example my Daughter is a Pharmacist who has not given shots in two decades. She was told to start giving covid shots at her Drug store…her location will remain undisclosed. Along with her the pharmacy literally took 3 of their people, some who had been working as waitresses prior to landing a pharmacy tech job were also given a crash course on giving shots….I am pretty sure that the fact the mRNA vaccine is leaking is because of ineptitude of the shot givers and not the actual vaccine itself….yet even in controlled lab experiments as I show below the mRNA leaks to other parts of the bodies in monkeys and mice.

      https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

      Here you find the test results in monkeys and mice of mrna vaccines used in the treatment of the flu.

      If you skip all the mumbo jumbo and go to the graph you will see that percentage wise the vaccine ended up throughout your body by about 50 percent as opposed to staying in your muscles and local lymph nodes as intended.

      HOWEVER.

      mRNA vaccines does not alter your DNA. That is all I will say. Everyone is capable of doing your own research.

      I cannot use my own experience because I had Covid, 11 days after getting my J&J shot. It was not the delta, I felt a bit crappy for several days and am now just fine. But for the first few days after the vaccine I felt crummy. Not disabling, but just crummy.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Mr est: If you skip all the mumbo jumbo and go to the graph you will see that percentage wise the vaccine ended up throughout your body by about 50 percent as opposed to staying in your muscles and local lymph nodes as intended.

        Can you direct us to the graph that supports your claim that 50% of the vaccine ends up throughout your body?

        It doesn’t appear the articles you cited support the claim.

  14. david7134 says:

    Jeff,
    Your comments don’t make sense. Are you saying that the mRNA does not interact with DNA. Are you aware as to what this vac does? Then you are going to challenge me about my illness which had the classic CT scan associated with COVID. You have no idea as to how to dx an illness. As to touting my bonafides to the little shit, you bet, I earned them and will broadcast. That is something you can’t do.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Doogie,

      mRNA does NOT interact with DNA.

      At the ribosome, messenger RNA serves as a template for protein synthesis, with each 3 “letter” codon coding for a specific transfer RNA (tRNA) carrying a specific amino acid. This process synthesizes a peptide that is either secreted or expressed on the surface of the cell. This peptide induces the humoral immune response (antibodies) and cell-mediated immunity which neutralize the virus.

      But you know all this.

      Our findings indicate that chest CT is sensitive but not specific for the diagnosis of COVID-19 in suspected patients, meaning that CT may not be capable of differentiating SARS-CoV-2 infection from other causes of respiratory illness.

      If you had SARS-CoV-2 four years ago (as did your family) that makes you patient 0 who spread Covid-19 worldwide. Since Teach preaches that SARS-CoV-2 was manufactured in a Wuhan laboratory, how did you catch it?

      • david7134 says:

        Jeff,
        I really am astounded. I found the web site were I think you got that crap. I can’t believe they are lying about the science. But you and the propaganda are wrong.

        I was not patient number one. I caught the bug from a patient. As to your opinion on the radiology, total trash.

        Why does this matter to you, it is obviously over your head.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          Doogie,

          I suspect you are often astounded by this complex world around you.

          I didn’t express an opinion on radiology, I supplied a quote from a journal article where the conclusion was that the CT images were not specific for Covid-19.

          It seems quite unlikely that you caught SARS-CoV-2 from a patient four years ago. What did the real doctors diagnose?

          Doogie, I suspect this is all over your head. Do you understand what it means when a medical test is sensitive but not specific?

          • david7134 says:

            Jeff,
            You provided one journal summation, and did not even provide the journal.

            Jeff, you are not very bright.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Doogie,

            You’re embarrassing yourself. You should stop digging.

            You’re saying you diagnosed an unknown disease 3 years before it was discovered based on a CT scan.

            Why didn’t you warn the world?

  15. est1950 says:

    “Big Pharma” created the vaccines you rely on for protection from SARS-CoV-2. Yet now, you don’t want other Americans to avail themselves of the protection you have!! What a bunch of hypocritic assholes you are.

    I did not say any such thing. I have encouraged people to get the vaccine and you are (what you accused me of being) for asserting I said anything else.

    BUT THE ASSERTION WAS MADE that it is 80 percent effective after just one dose. That is incorrect according to dozens of studies that dont have Moderna, Pfizer or J&J attached to the study.

    I quote ZACH……If a one-shot vaccine is 80% effective, does that mean you can’t get infected?

    IT IS NOT 80 Percent effective. No where near that. You guys continue to spread as much false information as the other side.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Numerous studies have placed the effectiveness of a single dose of the mRNA vaccines at 50-80%. Some of the studies included infections that occurred within 12 days of receiving the first injection, likely before the immune system had a chance to generate an anti-SARS-CoV-2 response.

      The efficacy jumped to 85-95% two weeks following the second injection. Results are not quite as good against the Delta variant.

    • Zachriel says:

      est1950: IT IS NOT 80 Percent effective.

      “The first U.S. multisite test-negative design vaccine effectiveness study among HCP found a single dose of Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines to be 82% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 and 2 doses to be 94% effective.”
      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm

      Early evidence is mixed, but indicates two doses still offer significant protection against the delta strain.

      • est1950 says:

        Zach

        Your study is a bait and switch by the infamous Liars at CDC.

        IN BOLD HEADLINES it declares you are all safe.

        When in fact the report says this: A test-negative case-control study is underway to evaluate mRNA COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (VE) against symptomatic illness among HCP at 33 U.S. sites across 25 U.S. states.

        Kye was right you cannot accept the fact you are a peddler of disinformation and damn right lies.

        NOTICE: (measured 14 days after the first dose through 6 days after the second dose) was 82% (95% confidence interval

        You peddle the thought process of people reading your words that these drugs are 80 percent effective after 1st dose which is a lie….it is 14 days after the first dose and that is from people who are symptomatic.

        HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE VACCINE and are NOT SYMPTOMATIC.

        I point out several studies you ignore while cherry picking a report that is bait and switch propaganda by the CDC because they and you are desperate for everyone to get their shots.

        People want information and YOU LIE, misinform and confuse people with your 80 percent claims when in fact the CDC says one thing and multiple studies from multiple nations says something else entirely.

        • Zachriel says:

          est1950: A test-negative case-control study is underway to evaluate mRNA COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (VE) against symptomatic illness among HCP at 33 U.S. sites across 25 U.S. states.

          That’s right. Keep reading (emphasis added):

          A test-negative case-control study is underway to evaluate mRNA COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness (VE) against symptomatic illness among HCP at 33 U.S. sites across 25 U.S. states. Interim analyses indicated that the VE of a single dose (measured 14 days after the first dose through 6 days after the second dose) was 82% (95% confidence interval [CI] = 74%–87%), adjusted for age, race/ethnicity, and underlying medical conditions. The adjusted VE of 2 doses (measured ≥7 days after the second dose) was 94% (95% CI = 87%–97%).

          Not sure what your point is.

  16. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Thank you for digging in and researching this.

    The summary article and the basic research articles support the conclusion that the mRNA and manufactured spike protein are predominantly in the muscle and draining lymph nodes as expected.

    But you stated: If you skip all the mumbo jumbo and go to the graph you will see that percentage wise the vaccine ended up throughout your body by about 50 percent as opposed to staying in your muscles and local lymph nodes as intended.

    The summary article concluded: There is no evidence that any mRNA or protein accumulates in any organ.

    Can you guide us to the graph you’re describing showing 50% of the vaccine ends up throughout the body?

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