A Plurality Of Americans Support Impeachment Or Something

This is one you’re going to see/hear a lot of from the Credentialed Media. I ran across it at The Hill, and there are a bunch of other Democrat leaning news outlets yammering about. Let’s go to the source, USA Today

Perilous times for Trump: By 45%-38%, Americans support impeaching him over Ukraine allegations, poll finds

Americans by a 45%-38% plurality now support a vote by the House of Representatives to impeach President Trump, a USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds, as allegations continue to swirl around an embattled White House.

By a similar margin, 44%-35%, those surveyed say the Senate, which would then be charged with holding a trial of the president, should convict Trump and remove him from office.

The survey of 1,006 adults, taken Tuesday and Wednesday, underscores the perilous situation the president finds himself in as House committees subpoena documents and prepare to hear testimony into accusations that he pressured the leader of Ukraine to investigate a political rival, then tried to hide the account of their phone conversation.

You can dig into the poll, from the topline to the full details, at the survey link. Let’s take a look at the topline page 5

While it’s interesting that 45% want the House to impeach Trump (with 38% saying no and 17% unsure), they aren’t really getting the Independents, with 64% saying no or don’t know. More interesting is that first question with only 39% saying there’s enough evidence to actually impeach, with 61% saying not or don’t know. Even 22% of Democrats don’t know. And those are not good numbers for Independents supporting the Democrats.

The survey includes some cautionary notes as well for Biden, the Democratic frontrunner for the presidential nomination to challenge Trump next year. By 2-1, 42%-21%, those polled say there are valid reasons to look at the behavior of Joe and Hunter Biden in Ukraine. Even one in four Democrats say an investigation would be legitimate; two-thirds of Republicans agree. Joe Biden was the Obama administration’s point person on Ukraine; his son pursued lucrative business arrangements there.

There has been no evidence of wrongdoing by either Biden, though Trump on Wednesday accused them both of being corrupt.

Watch those last two: people are going to want to know more about Joe Biden’s dealings on behalf of his son, and there is more than enough to think it was corrupt (here’s one link, you can find plenty out there, and some claim illegal actions, not just corruption). And as more information comes out, the witch hunt belief will rise.

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21 Responses to “A Plurality Of Americans Support Impeachment Or Something”

  1. Professor Hale says:

    It’s the same percentage (+/- normal fluctuation) that support everything in the Democratic party agenda. The Democratic party can always count on 43% of the voters giving them blind support, no matter what topic.

  2. Winston St. John says:

    The interesting aspect of these new polls is the sudden reversal of the electorate from 55 percent impeachment to

    New poll: Majority of Americans against impeachment and removal of Trump
    Jeanine Santucci
    USA TODAY………SEPT 27th, 2019.

    Numbers 57 against, 37 in favor and NOW we are seeing this awesome polls being revealed where this has flip flopped nearly over night. Once again fake polling from the left to fire up their base.

    Poll: Majority of Americans against Trump Impeachment From Yahoo. Again different polling group numbers identical 57/37.

    WASHINGTON — A majority of Americans oppose impeaching President Donald Trump, according to a new poll by Monmouth University released Thursday.
    The data point — with 59% of those surveyed responding that Trump should not be impeached and compelled to leave office — comes as Trump’s approval rating remains at 40% in the same poll. USA Today Sept 5th, 2019.

    Washington Post-ABC News poll. 56 38 split against impeaching trump and yet overnight we suddenly see the nation flip flop with fake polling data.

    Forshame on America’s corrupt Media for drumming up a coup against a sitting president.

    • formwiz says:

      The Black Rock poll was on a sample of 2000 (about a thousand short) US “residents”, whatever the Hell that means.

  3. Dana says:

    The part that I found interesting was that only 39% said that they believed there was enough reliable information or evidence to decide whether President Trump should be impeached, but more than that, 45%, think he should be impeached. That means, at the fewest, 6% believe he should be impeached without believing that there’s enough evidence to support an impeachment.

  4. Kye says:

    Where’s Hunter Biden?? You know damn right well if this mess was caused by Donald Trump Jr. trying to get money from the Ukraine the mighty “impartial” press corps would be hounding the guy down day and night wherever he is and regardless of whomever he’s with, including his wife and kids.

    Instead the Fake News Press is giving Hunter Biden all the cover they can by just ignoring him and pretending he doesn’t exist. The press is in on the coup and giving aide and comfort to the enemies of the Republic. We always knew the press was a co-conspirator in the attempt to overthrow our government but this is brazen.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      There is no evidence that Hunter Biden did anything wrong, much less criminal.

      Donald Trump and his legion of worshipers are trying to distract Americans from trump’s anti-American actions.

      • formwiz says:

        Nobody cares about a cashiered Navy officer. Although he and Lurch’s stepson do seem to have gotten a lot of money out of Ukraine under questionable circumstances. It’s Gropin’ Joe that landed himself (and his boss) in trouble by shooting off his big fat mouth.

        There’s the problem. So many of the crime families of the Democrat party (including, natch, the Ozarks) are mobbed up in Ukraine. If the facts come out where the public can’t avoid them, there won’t be a Democrat officeholder for a hundred years.

  5. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Ask yourselves if you really believe Russia, Ukraine and China have America’s best interests in mind.

    • Kye says:

      We don’t need to ask ourselves anything that stupid. We have always recognized the adversarial and belligerent nature of those countries toward America. Rather it is your side that that has instinctively loved these communist “Utopias”. That said, we will no longer fall for your “war drums” so all the patriotic young conservatives can march off to fight whilst you america hating leftists sit home enjoying yourselves while once in a while holding a “protest” to prove your virtue.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Donald Trump, his administration and his supporters are relying on Russia, Ukraine and China to help him get re-elected. Do you really think that these nations have US interests at heart?

        You’re a fool if you think only conservatives serve in the military. Brave cons like Trump, Limbaugh, TEACH, Hannity, W, Moscow Mitch, Dick Cheney, Newt, Rudy, et al? LOL. Are all those gay men and women, Black men and women, immigrants in the military, conservatives?

        Are you really claiming that the brave men and women in our military will refuse to defend America?

        • formwiz says:

          Donald Trump, his administration and his supporters are relying on Russia, Ukraine and China to help him get re-elected. Do you really think that these nations have US interests at heart?

          As usual, it’s either a lie or you simply don’t get it (the two are not mutually exclusive).

          The Democrats are relying on Russia, Ukraine and China to help them get re-elected to the house and take the White House.

          FIFY.

          You’re a fool if you think only conservatives serve in the military.

          But the ones who aren’t are just trying to pad their resume. Think Lurch.

          Brave cons like Trump, Limbaugh, TEACH, Hannity, W, Moscow Mitch, Dick Cheney, Newt, Rudy, et al? LOL.

          Here we get to shove Jeffery’s LOL down his throat. W served. TX ANG. Mitch was exempted from the polio he contracted age 2. Trump for bone spurs. Rudy was deferred for essential occupation. Hannity was too young for the draft. Cheney was too old to serve in ‘Nam.

          Now let’s take a look at some prominent Democrats

          Robert Byrd, having recruited 150 men fior the Klan, refused service in WWII, saying I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

          John Kerry joined the Navy for political reasons after wangling an assignment to a safe billet. Unfortunately for him, Swift Boats were transferred to riverine duty. He was boarded out after 3 Purple Owies.

          Willie Whitewater wangled an exemption from service saying, “I loathe my country’s military”.

          Albert Gore’s father wangled him a safe billet as a correspondent.

          Zippy said he considered joining the Marines, as did the Hildabeast.

          Real bunch of heroes you have there.

          Are all those gay men and women, Black men and women, immigrants in the military, conservatives?

          Most are. You think blacks, homosexuals, and immigrants are all Lefties?

          Guess again.

          Are you really claiming that the brave men and women in our military will refuse to defend America?

          They’ll defend America, but they won’t turn their weapons on the friends and families Most of the people in the military aren’t Lefties (probably very few are). They come from the people you call white nationalists and racists. If that doesn’t register go watch Battleship Potemkin

          Are all those gay men and women, Black men and women, immigrants in the military, conservatives?

        • Dana says:

          We had an (early) birthday lunch with my older daughter, a sergeant in the United States Army Reserve, who has served in Afghanistan. She opposed the idea of Taliban negotiators coming to the United States, and didn’t like the idea that we might just withdraw. My position was that we weren’t accomplishing anything there, and are learning, as did the British and Russians and a bunch of other people that Afghanistan simply cannot be ruled by anyone other than Afghanis, and even they would just fight among themselves.

          Yet as far as I can tell, she voted for the odious Mrs Clinton, and I know that she was registered as a Democrat in Pennsylvania.

          Being in the military reinforces some conservative ideas, because the military serves a basically conservative purpose: the vigorous, armed defense of the United States.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            When was the last time the US military was used in the “armed defense of the United States”?

            Was FDR conservative? After all he used the military to defeat Hitler and Tojo.

    • formwiz says:

      Well, Trump is answering that question regarding Red China, but you seem to object.

      And it’s a lot of crooked Democrat politicians from Teddy Kennedy on who thought Russia and the Ukraine had their best interests at heart.

      If you’re trying to take some moral high ground, it’s a fool’s errand.

    • Dana says:

      If Russia did help to keep Hillary Clinton a private citizen in 2016, then yes, it’s obvious that Vladimir Putin did have America’s better interests in mind. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

      Of course, every country has its own better interests in mind as their governments form policy. There are also cases in which their better interests coincide with ours. Russia allegedly favored Mr Trump in 2016, while Ukraine supposedly favored Mrs Clinton. Russia and Ukraine see their mutual interests as diametrically opposed.

      Of course, NATO breathed a collective sigh of relief that a former Ukrainian President, who was pro-Russian, cancelled Ukraine’s petition to join NATO, so that we weren’t obligated to go to Ukraine’s aid when Russia seized the Crimea and the eastern part of Ukraine. Many, many harsh words were uttered by the West, but no real action was taken. That’s a good thing in that, as much as Philadelphia could use some quick urban renewal, having demo day being done by a Russian nuclear warhead wouldn’t be my first choice.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        dana typed: “If Russia did help to keep Hillary Clinton a private citizen in 2016, then yes, it’s obvious that Vladimir Putin did have America’s better interests in mind.”

        So you approve of foreign countries determining the President of the US as long as they support your candidate?

        What are the most desirable qualities that you and Putin see in Trump?

        • formwiz says:

          Last I looked, the American people determined who is President.

          Much to your chagrin.

          And it was the Beast who worked with a foreign country to determine the President of the US
          Since you seem to have no problem with that, we deduce you approve of it,.

          What are the most desirable qualities that you and Putin see in Trump?

          I don’t think the God Emperor of the Cherry Blossom Throne is Poot’s type.

          Apparently, however, you seem to see men in that light.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            TEACH (we know whizzer is your sockpuppet),

            Actually, recall that the American people preferred tRump’s opponent by nearly 3 million votes. Ouch, that’s going to leave a mark!

            Putin preferred tRump and worked on his behalf because it served Russia’s purpose. tRump’s continued obeisance to Putin is evidence enough. Russia, if you’re listening, please investigate the tRump Crime Syndicate (including The Don, Baby Doc, Baby Dumb and Baby Doll).

  6. formwiz says:

    When was the last time the US military was used in the “armed defense of the United States”?

    The last 18 years? Or are another one of those people who think somebody did something 9/11/01?

    Was FDR conservative? After all he used the military to defeat Hitler and Tojo.

    Zippy used the US military to get bin Laden.

    The stupid in ToonTown is strong tonight.

    • Professor Hale says:

      When was the last time the US military was used in the “armed defense of the United States”?

      That would have been this morning. Since having a credible military defense deters aggression against the USA and its citizens. The US military believes that they are doing this every single day, 24-7, including weekends and holidays.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Good answer. But does this require excursions into foreign lands? And few Americans, lib or con, want to dismantle the US military.

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