Mother Jones: Liberals Should Pretend They Care About Threat From Syrian Refugees

Perhaps Kevin Drum should explain this to Mr. Obama, who has shown quite a bit of emotion demonizing Republicans as he performs on foreign stages (which always used to be a no no in American politics), emotion he failed to show when speaking of the actual Paris attacks and ISIS. He treats fellow countrymen like enemies, while Islamic terrorists are just an afterthought for him

Liberals Should Knock Off the Mockery Over Calls to Limit Syrian Refugees

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Here’s the thing: to the average person, it seems perfectly reasonable to be suspicious of admitting Syrian refugees to the country. We know that ISIS would like to attack the US. We know that ISIS probably has the wherewithal to infiltrate a few of its people into the flood of refugees. And most voters have no idea how easy it is to get past US screening. They probably figure it’s pretty easy.

So to them it doesn’t seem xenophobic or crazy to call for an end to accepting Syrian refugees. It seems like simple common sense. After all, things changed after Paris.

Mocking Republicans over this—as liberals spent much of yesterday doing on my Twitter stream—seems absurdly out of touch to a lot of people. Not just wingnut tea partiers, either, but plenty of ordinary centrists too. It makes them wonder if Democrats seriously see no problem here. Do they care at all about national security? Are they really that detached from reality?

The liberal response to this should be far more measured. We should support tight screening. Never mind that screening is already pretty tight. We should highlight the fact that we’re accepting a pretty modest number of refugees. In general, we should act like this is a legitimate thing to be concerned about and then work from there.

Let’s break that down: Drum, taking a look at polls, understands that there is a serious concern among the American people regarding the refugees, who aren’t just from Syria, but all over the Muslim world (one has to wonder why these refugees aren’t going to other Muslim nations), so, liberals should pretend they actual care about that concern, when they really, really don’t. ISIS has stated that they will sneak people in. Supposedly, according to an ISIS member, they’ve managed to infiltrate 4,000 into Europe. Does anyone think that won’t happen here?

That was September. Does anyone think the numbers have gotten better?

NJ.com is running a web poll in which 75% say “No. They could pose a threat to our security, not to mention stretching our resources” and 22% say “Yes. If they make it through our vetting process, there’s no problem” in regards to letting them in to New Jersey. I wonder if it would make a difference if it was explained that the vetting process essentially comes down to taking the refugees word that they aren’t an extremist? How about if we place these refugees in the same neighborhoods as liberal supporters?

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Comment by drowningpuppies
2015-11-18 10:50:58

… and 22% say “Yes. If they make it through our vetting process, there’s no problem” …

Vet this, mfers

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/pew_poll_between_63_million_and_287_million_isis_supporters_in_just_11_countries.html

 
Comment by john
2015-11-18 14:07:07

drowning puppies is always going through life afraid of things that are very very unlikely to happen to him.
You don’t see him volunteering to go over and fight ISIS
The right always seems to want someone else (Obama) to send others (the US military) to go and do what they want but will not do themselves.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-18 14:30:38

drowning puppies is always going through life afraid of things that are very very unlikely to happen to him.

One is very unlikely to have their home robbed, but I bet john locks his doors. There is a difference between being cautious and pragmatic and inviting illegal acts against a person.

But since john is for the unvetted immigration of Syrian refuges, how many refuges will you offer your home to john? How many will you employ?

Yeah, we all know that answer: zero.

The right always seems to want someone else (Obama) to send others (the US military) to go and do what they want but will not do themselves.

I didn’t realize that “the right” was granted powers under the Constitution to send the military anywhere. Do you have a source for that or are you just showing how ridiculous your point is?

BTW – you should read some milblogs sometime. The men and women who served and who are serving are overwhelmingly for destroying ISIS. (They are also mad that Obama’s policies gave up the gains they and their fellow military men and women bled and died for.)

Since you aren’t for fighting ISIS anywhere john, can we label you as a supporter of ISIS?

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-18 17:04:40

(one has to wonder why these refugees aren’t going to other Muslim nations)

Just another FOX lie. Millions have gone to Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. Fewer than 700,000 to Europe. And the US will accept how many??

http://www.worldvision.org/news-stories-videos/syria-war-refugee-crisis


Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-18 17:08:42

The conservative movement has built the America they’ve always wanted.

For the wealthy, by the wealthy, of the wealthy. Xenophobic. Jingoistic. The poor scrambling for the scraps that trickle down. White and Christian.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

 
Comment by drowningpuppies
2015-11-18 17:17:37

Lil’ jihadjeffy still flummoxed.
I’ll give ‘tarded johnny a pass because…
well he’s ‘tarded.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-18 19:03:05

That’s the galactically stupid suckingpuppies we’re accustomed to!

Welcome back. Who was impersonating you?

 
Comment by drowningpuppies
2015-11-18 19:30:06

Still flummoxed?

 
Comment by drowningpuppies
2015-11-18 19:35:49

By the way, is “flummoxed” code for ass raping the grandkids?
Is that in the Koran or just a genetic trait passed down from your Ozark hillbilly parents?

 
Comment by Jl
2015-11-18 21:05:09

This is how it really goes for J and his buddies: “Give us your tired, your poor, your terrorists yearning to blow us up.”

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-18 23:24:36

Right-wingers will always dislike immigrants. The current shitstorm is just an excuse to burnish their xenophobia.

Right-wingers are always afraid, and terrified men are dangerous men.

Most terrorism in the US is perpetrated by right-wingers, so maybe we need to start vetting them better.

Comment by Jl
2015-11-19 12:10:29

“Right wingers all always afraid….” Says the cult member, and liberal whoes gw religion constantly preaches an “end of days” senario. Before this it was global cooling, population explosion, peak oil, ozone hole, ect., ect, all proved wrong. Talk about “always afraid”..,, This is where somebody says to look in the mirror

 
 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-19 00:09:29

Right-wingers will always dislike immigrants.

Really? What are you basing that on? Your discrimination? You hope that those on the right are more hateful than people of your ilk on the left?

I don’t ever remember a right wing person ever being against legal immigration.

Most terrorism in the US is perpetrated by right-wingers, so maybe we need to start vetting them better.

Sorry jeffery, but that is an old “statistic” that has long since been disproven, but we all know that you aren’t much on facts.

Look at what is happening on college campuses. That is terrorism and it is ALL perpetrated by those on the left.

The left is always afraid of honest discussion. We see in the climate change debate. We see it in politics. We see it on college campuses. We see it in the workplace. We see it practiced by unions. We see it practiced by municipal governments. We see it advocated by this administration.

So keep believing your lies and live in your demented little world.

The real adults will work to keep you safe and sound so you can rant and rail and cry and whine like the little child you are.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-19 01:44:56

Jeffery spewed:

Just another FOX lie. Millions have gone to Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. Fewer than 700,000 to Europe. And the US will accept how many??

That’s being a little bit disingenuous.

Jeffery’s source states that Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey have accepted refugees. That’s correct although all three countries have either tightened entry into the country or closed their borders altogether.

However.

…. amidst cries for Europe to do more, it has transpired that of the five wealthiest countries on the Arabian Peninsula, that is, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, not one has taken in a single refugee from Syria. Instead, they have argued that accepting large numbers of Syrians is a threat to their safety, as terrorists could be hiding within an influx of people..

It seems that those five countries who are Muslim and neighbors are not accepting refugees based upon the same concerns that the left dismisses here in the US.

While I would bet that Jeffery will dismiss the source article, he can’t dismiss CBS News who published a map of the situation that is making the rounds.

Basically Jeffery lied. It was a lie of omission rather than commission, but it is a distortion of the truth nonetheless. .

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-19 08:46:50

gitarcarver ejaculated: Basically Jeffery lied.

Actually, not basically, gitarcarver lied.

William previously typed: (one has to wonder why these refugees aren’t going to other Muslim nations)

Most of the millions of Syrian refugees HAVE been taken in by other Muslim nations. Gitarcarver moves the goalpost claiming that since not all “Muslim” nations have taken in refugees, none have. That is simply untrue. How many more millions of refugees should Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey take in? It’s a different argument to say that UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should take in refugees.

Few conservatives realize that most of the refugees have been taken in by regional Muslim nations. Rather than just acknowledge that William was mistaken, gitarcarver attacks another.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-19 09:29:29

Once again, Jeffery shows a distinct lack in reading comprehension.

Teach typed:(one has to wonder why these refugees aren’t going to other Muslim nations)

So, Jeffery, are the refugees going to Saudi Arabia? Is Saudi Arabia a Muslim nation?

Are the refuges going to the UAE? Is the UAE a Muslim nation?

Are the refuges going to Qatar? Is Qatar a Muslim nation?

Are the refuges going to Kuwait? Is Kuwait a Muslim nation?

Are the refuges going to Bahrain? Is Bahrain a Muslim nation?

We all know the answers to those simple basic questions but in an effort to discredit others, Jeffery decided to lie.

It’s a different argument to say that UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should take in refugees.

It’s a “different argument” because it shows the fallacy of Jeffery’s position and thought process. Jeffery doesn’t want to deal with facts.

Teach did not say “(one has to wonder why these refugees aren’t going to every other Muslim nation in the known and unknown universe.)”

He asked why Muslim countries were not taking in refuges. In Jeffery’s world, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain are not Muslim countries.

Jeffery lied or at the very least ignored information that disproved his over all point.

It is expected from him.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-19 15:23:32

While I would bet that Jeffery will dismiss the source article, he can’t dismiss CBS News who published a map of the situation that is making the rounds.

If I had made the same mistake here that the gitarcarver made, he would accuse me of lying. I have no reason to doubt the map, which supports my contention, but have to wonder why the gitarcarver misattributes it to CBS instead of CBC and Breitbart?

The word is refugee, not refuge.

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-19 15:54:37

I have no reason to doubt the map, which supports my contention,

Denial, denial, denial.

The map shows the fallacy of your contention as it shows Muslim states that have not taken in refugees (thanks for the correction in spelling) is somehow supportive that Muslim states have taken in refugees.

 
Comment by Jeffery
2015-11-19 19:50:54

Why did you attribute the article to CBS News?

 
Comment by gitarcarver
2015-11-19 20:14:33

I miss read it because I did not have my glasses on and was more concerned with the content of the map.

I thought you’d be more upset with the Breitbart cite, but it is clear that since you have been shown to be wrong on the issue that you raised on Muslim countries not accepting refugees, you are going to try and go elsewhere.

I get it Jeffery.

You can’t deal with facts.

 

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