Good Grief, Now They’re Advocating Giving Ukraine Three Squadrons Of A-10s

There have been lots of memes about the coming WWIII. We’ve had people, such as Excitable Adam Kinzinger, push for a no fly zone. I certainly agree with Vox that it would be a monumentally bad idea. Thankfully, NATO and Let’s Go Brandon agree. Sending all those troops over to Europe isn’t the brightest idea. What are a few thousand going to do, when the U.S. already has over 50k in the European theater? Here’s another staggeringly foolish idea

Transfer three A-10 aircraft squadrons to Ukraine now

“Give us the tools, and we will finish the job,“ spoke U.K. Prime Minister Winston Churchill in February 1941. Following this powerful speech, U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt proposed and Congress approved the lend-lease program. This provided the U.K. equipment and access to United States production capacity. This action was essential to stopping the Nazi advances.

Zelenskyy has been asking for planes. So far, NATO nations have said “nope.”

Sanctions must be accompanied by military success.

Zelenskyy has requested weapons and support in line with Churchill’s philosophy. Ukrainian soldiers have proved their courage and bravery. There is one more step that could be decisive: the transfer of three squadrons of A-10 aircraft to the Ukrainian Air Force.

This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force. They also became the infantry’s friend in close-air support missions.

The United States Air Force has deployment packages ready to go. The whole transfer to the Ukrainian Air Force could be completed in days after congressional authorization.

If you want to start WWIII, this would be a good way to do so. How do you get the planes there? Who flies them in? How does Russia react when A10’s which were the property of the United States just days before start blowing up Russian military equipment and troops? Furthermore, who will fly the planes? American pilots? WWIII. Ukrainian pilots? Are any trained on them? They aren’t bicycles. What about all the armaments? Shooting American made depleted uranium slugs would be WWIII.

Exactly zero other nations fly the A10. Hence, no one else trains on it. They would be using made in the USA bombs, missiles, and the aforementioned depleted uranium slugs, which came from U.S. nuclear sites. WWIII. Perhaps the Defense News shouldn’t be letting Everett Pyatt, a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Navy for shipbuilding and logistics, try and drag us into WWIII

The whole thing reads

(1/7) I fully support the right of the people of Ukraine to self determination. However there are many reasons I could not vote for the seven page Resolution that passed the House of Representatives today. (2/7) The resolution contains an open ended call for additional and immediate “defensive security assistance.” This term is so broad that it could include American boots on the ground or, as some of my colleagues have already requested, US enforcement of a no-fly zone. (3/7) It expands the geographic scope of the US commitment to the conflict in Ukraine by condemning the country of Belarus. We should not be seeking to name new enemies or committing to overturning other governments. (4/7) It calls for “fully isolating” Russia economically. This would hurt low-income US citizens who are already reeling from inflation. Innocent people in Russia, many of whom oppose Putin’s aggression, would suffer under crippling sanctions, possibly turning them against us. (5/7) Crippling sanctions could also drive Putin to become more desperate, inciting him to resort to drastic measures such as escalating the weapons employed or the people targeted. (6/7) The resolution contains a gratuitous statement that Ukraine and NATO will determine the relationship between the two of them. Of course this is true, but why should Congress assert this now when the goal is to de-escalate the conflict? (7/7) It calls for continuing support “as long as the Russian Federation continues to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty.” Depending on the definition of “violate,” this could be a US commitment to forever be actively engaged in a conflict with another nuclear country.

Why was a 7 page resolution necessary? Why go so far overboard with the language? Let’s try and reign this back in, folks.

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21 Responses to “Good Grief, Now They’re Advocating Giving Ukraine Three Squadrons Of A-10s”

  1. Edward Brault says:

    Just giving hem aircraft will not win the war. Who will fly them? Who will maintain them? Arm them? Train the pilots, maintainers, and armorers? And the A-10 is a marvelous weapons-system, but it takes more than just the plane to make it work.

    • david7134 says:

      Do you keep up with anything?
      The A10 was a great asset in 1990. Now it is obsolete and requires air dominance to do its job.

      You don’t have to comment on subjects for which you don’t have knowledge or understanding, in short every subject.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        The malfunctioning davebot1619 can’t distinguish Edward from Elwood. It gets triggered. If the bot was human it would be very stupid.

    • the US is about to mothball 3 squadrons of A-10’s. Ukraine has experienced pilots. they have been flying migs for years. Bring their pilots and crews over here for a crash course. A-10’s may be well past time but Russian planes are junk

  2. Thomas Massie is, alas! not my district’s representative, but he’s one of the best men in Congress. He understands that, emotion aside, starting a war with nuclear-armed Russia isn’t exactly the brightest idea in the world.

    As World War II raged in Europe, but before we entered the war following the attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States engaged in some pretty blatant war moves against the Third Reich, sending war materiel to His Majesty’s Government, and later, even to Comrade Stalin’s. Our neutrality was hardly neutral!

    It didn’t matter: there was nothing der Führer could do about it. His U-boats went after the convoys, and sent a lot of American Lend-lease largesse to the bottom of the Atlantic. President Roosevelt began “neutrality patrols” to convoy the cargo ships as far as Iceland, and for a while, Germany was deterred.

    Following Pearl Harbor, the United States declared war on Japan . . . but not on Germany. Adolf Hitler, in a moment of madness, decided that, on December 11, 1941, Germany would declare war on the United States, a colossal mistake, at a time in which the United States, then only at war with Japan, could have concentrated our might against Japan.

    But, just as the United Kingdom and France, despite their guarantees, could do nothing to help Poland, Germany could do nothing to strike at the United States. When Prime Minister Churchill said, “Give us the tools, and we will finish the job,” he was speaking to a nation untouched, and untouchable, by war, a nation which risked little by ramping up its factories to build tanks and airplanes and rifles.

    That isn’t the situation today. Unlike 1939, unlike 1941, the enemy can strike us, can literally kill hundreds of millions of Americans in less than an hour, can destroy every one of our major cities and irradiate our rural areas with a deadly fallout. Yes, that would mean that Russia was destroyed in turn, as the US could and almost certainly would launch an equally devastating nuclear response against the Soviet Union Russia, meaning that Russia would not somehow ‘win’ the nuclear war, but we would just as certainly lose.

    Wanting to do more, wanting to do what we can to help Ukraine is not the same thing as wanting to help the United Kingdom, and later the Soviet Union, against Germany, because what we were doing in 1939 and 1940 and 1941 was with little risk to us. It took no real courage for us to give assistance to the UK and USSR then.

    Now, it does. But there is a point at which courage stops being courage, and devolves into pure madness, and that point is when you go to war with a nuclear-armed enemy. Representative Massie understands that, and so do I.

    • david7134 says:

      What concerns me is why Putin is invading. The country is poor, some oil but not that much, produces crops. But the only asset is a pathway to Europe.

      • Dana says:

        Ukraine produces about 70% of the world’s neon, which is a vital element in the production of computer chips. More, the natural gas pipeline from Russia to Germany runs through Ukraine.

        • Professor hale says:

          Dana. None of that matters. That’s just trade. What matters is ukraine trying to get nato membership while it uses artillery against russians in the Donbas area. Putin is invading the Ukraine because he was forced into it. It is the only answer that makes sense of his willingness to pay crippling costs. He had no choice.

          • david7134 says:

            That makes sense. But he did a very bad job of establishing justification world wide and in Russia. One thing, my Jewish friends are all up in arms and desire war. They see too many parallels to Germany in 1941.

          • SamRI says:

            Forced into it?! Now that’s a special load of BS you are slinging around here. Your wording itself belies your bias and delusion. Using artillery against Russians? Donbas is Ukrainian. Its people don’t want “independence” other than Russians who’ve moved in to “aid” in the fight there. Russia has been trying to take land from Ukraine and this invasion is because they were getting pushed back.

            Russia has violated the Budapest Memorandum recognizing the borders and sanctity of Ukraine as a nation. This was is unprovoked and is only generating suffering. Shame on you for either falling and spreading the lies of a deluded dictator, or being party to them.

        • david7134 says:

          Ok, that was one I did not know. Seems he could have cornered the market in a peaceful manner.

      • CarolAnn says:

        david7134, Perhaps Putin wants to be the new center for the Biden and Clinton crime families money laundering.

  3. Hairy says:

    Since this has been already acknowledged as a non starter. Exactly why does Teach think itvis so important to post? Fesrmongdring over something that is NOT going to happen? How about going all ape shit over the idea of giving Ukraine atomic weapons? Certainly there must be some bat shit crazy evangelical Christians that would see that as helping to bring on the “End Times” so that 144000 people could be ruptured into heaven.
    Last year oil companies made
    174 billion in profit. This year that may well double. Fossil fuel companies love Putin!!

    • drowningpuppies says:

      Fesrmongdring over something that is NOT going to happen?

      You tell ’em, Johnnie (puff puff… cough cough), you should know.
      Praise Buddha!

      Bwaha! Lolgf

    • L.G.Brandon!, L.G.Brandon! says:

      Hairy: “Since this has been already acknowledged as a non starter. Exactly why does Teach think itvis so important to post? Fesrmongdring over something that is NOT going to happen?”

      Who says it’s not going to happen, You? Some of those fukin “experts” you assholes drag out when you’re trying to back up a false statement? That same dopes that told us all about Afghanistan and Covid and the economy and gas prices and those kind of “experts”?

      “How about going all ape shit over the idea of giving Ukraine atomic weapons? Certainly there must be some bat shit crazy evangelical Christians that would see that as helping to bring on the “End Times” so that 144000 people could be ruptured into heaven.”

      There certainly are many, many batshit crazy Democrats who want to pour nukes into Ukraine. Why are you denigrating Christians now? Is that part of the New World Order, bigotry against Christians for no reason? Hypothetical accusations based on nothing but hate for a religion? And the largest religion of help, aide and support for the poor/hungry/homeless and infirm ever to exist on earth no less. The religion that comes to everyone’s aid in time of need from Muslims to atheists from black to white but you find it necessary to degrade them you prejudiced, bigoted pig.

      “Last year oil companies made174 billion in profit. This year that may well double. Fossil fuel companies love Putin!!”

      Wrong again idiot. You are a fool. As long as OUR FOSSIL FUEL PRODUCERS ARE CLOSED PUTIN WINS. You freakin dope. And you’re a tool of the pro-Putin propagandists.

      Let’s go Hairy, stop developing and selling domestic oil to make Russian oil more expensive! Just like the retard in the WH.

      I swear leftists have a brain defect.

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  5. Hairy says:

    Well Brandon of course itvis always nice to know that you enjoyed reading my post
    The USA is currently producing more oil than when Trump left office
    Drilling rigs in use up 50% to over 600 from Trumps low of 450.
    It costs no more to profuce/extract/refine oil today than it did 1 year ago, the reason it costs more today is ?
    Christian evangelists love that Putin wants to establish Christian theocracy in Russia and his new Greater Russia and all “Christendom” Pat Robertson has said that Putin is obeying the will of God. Can you name ANY leftist that wants to give atomic weapons to Ukraine? I haven’t seen any.are you at all concerned about the 100000 Jews who have already fled tge rightwing militias if Putin? In eastern Ukraine 1 month ago they were required to self register themselves and all their properties

    • Facts Matter says:

      The spreader of disinformation known as hairy posted: Drilling rigs in use up 50% to over 600 from Trumps low of 450.

      As you can see from the government’s own data that under Trump in 2018-2020 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC there were many time over O N E T H O U S A N D 1000 rigs in operation.

      NOT the 600 under Biden after one year in office.

      Hairy continues to spread fake news. Its all he does. Every post is filled with disinformation and misdirection and in many cases just made up facts that he hopes no one will bother to address.

      • Facts Matter says:

        To show I am willing to give credit where credit is due. Obama actually started up on the road to energy independence as he recognized that green wasn’t ready for prime time yet.

        So From Bloomberg News.

        It is true that in 2019 our net imports of crude oil and finished products flipped from positive to negative. By that metric, we became energy independent (at last as far as our oil consumption goes). It is also true that Donald Trump was president when this happened for the first time in October 2019.

        The Long March Toward Independence

        But note that this was the culmination of a trend that started in 2006 when U.S. net imports topped 13 million BPD. Most of that march to energy independence happened under President Obama. All President Trump (and President Obama before him) had to do was avoid driving the bus into the ditch, and they would continue to benefit from the hydraulic fracking boom that enabled all of this.

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