Surgeon General Says Mandates For Small Businesses Still On The Table

It’s a funny thing: people constantly talk about how the government mandates citizens to get vaccines, such as for smallpox, measles, mumps. Except, those mandates are not coming from the federal government, they are primarily from the state governments, because there is no actual law nor constitutional authority to impose vaccines on U.S. civilians. Sure, they could force members of the military who haven’t had them, and probably employees of the executive branch. That’s pretty much it for U.S. citizens. And, the Brandon admin still has to win for the 100+ employee mandate. So, sure, let’s go further

Surgeon General Murthy: Vaccine Mandate for Smaller Businesses Not Off the Table

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that President Biden’s administration has not ruled out a federal vaccine requirement for small businesses.

Anchor Martha Raddatz said, “Labor Secretary Marty Walsh defending those new vaccines and testing requirements for companies with 100 or more employees. It comes amid pushback over two dozen states and a new legal challenge in court.”

She added, “Let’s start with those legal challenges. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday blocked the mandate citing grave and statutory and constitutional issues. I know you’re not a lawyer, but is the administration confident this can survive the legal challenges?”

Murthy said, “Well, Martha, the president and the administration wouldn’t have put these requirements in place if they didn’t think they were appropriate and necessary….

It may be appropriate and necessary, but, that doesn’t make it legal and Constitutional. Certainly not at the federal level

The administration is certainly prepared to defend them, but let’s step back for a moment and just look at why these are so important. Throughout our history that we have seen, we had to use vaccine requirements to protect the population, starting back with George Washington when he required troops be inoculated for smallpox, and schools started having vaccine requirements.

Yes, troops. We also had no Constitution and no laws during the War for Independence.

If you think about our workplace, it’s important our workplaces are safe, that workers feel safe, and our customers feel safe. We know at this point in the pandemic when we’ve come so far, and we have 75,000 cases a day, it’s important we take every measure possible to make our workplaces safer.”

Same people said there was no way we’d have a vaccine this soon. Nor do they give any legal reason why civilians should be forcibly vaccinated.

Raddatz asked, “If the law survives legal challenges, will the administration be extending the mandate to smaller employers with fewer than 100 employees?”

Murthy said, “Well, Martha, certainly nothing is off the table at this moment, but the focus is implementing the current rule that OSHA put out. Let me just emphasize that what we put out in a report recently is that average businesses that put these requirements in place see a 20% vaccination rate increase, boosting them in the 90s. If vaccines are a key pathway out of the pandemic, this will do a lot to get us toward the finish line.”

Sure, this will cause no problems with small businesses. Further, these same people aren’t requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated before they cross the border, eh?

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52 Responses to “Surgeon General Says Mandates For Small Businesses Still On The Table”

  1. Est1950 says:

    As if the vaccine waters are not muddied enough a Pfizer whistleblower comes out saying that Pfizer did a shoddy job of evaluating their vaccine prior to it being given EUA.

    Now Pfizer and Merck who railed against Hydroxy and Ivermectin have their own Pill form of antiviral they want to sell for billions and billions and billions.

    People are being sickened by these vaccines. Young Athletes are losing their ability to play because of the vaccines and now on top of that, it appears a new super cold is making its way around that might be linked to the vaccines.

    Hospitals are firing doctors and nurses because they refuse to be vaccinated(these people are risking their lives for you and you want to fire them) and yet this is about the science. People as of yet do not know what long-term side effects this might have. Many, especially the young who want to have families were scared away by reports of infertility, which of course is debunked by a bunch of angry white men who want to make billions. Is it true or not. The inventor of the mRNA vaccine went to the EU and told them to stop this vaccine because it might not be safe and might cause infertility. Scary stuff for some people to hear.

    The fact any government on this planet is mandating a vaccine is preposterous. This is being done out of fear for themselves and not fear for the people. H1N1 was bad and the pandemic of 1918 witch killed 1-3 percent of the population did not have any drugs of consequences and it eventually died out. Again this begs the question as to why so many are objecting to people refusing to be vaccinated.

    If the vaccines work, then those that are vaccinated will not catch the virus from those that are not. If wearing a mask is so powerful a tool then if you are vaccinated and wear a mask you should never get sick. So why this massive push to end an endemic that will likely never go away?

    This my friends are why they changed it from Immunizized to Vaccinated. Because these drugs were never going to be 100 percent effective. In fact, they are barely on average over a 6-month course of treatment collectively only about 50 percent effective. The J&J vaccine according to a VA study drops to just 3 percent effective after 6 months. But if you get that almighty booster shot then you are suddenly saved and headed for the promised land.

    None of these drugs were ever 90-95 percent effective. That being said I do believe they prevent you from getting really sick but again. Those on the left are obsessed with everyone getting a shot much like the right used to be obsessed with your bedroom activities. Muddied waters.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Here’s the BMJ whistleblower article so you can do your own research. It was a single vendor accused of shoddy oversight. Did the FDA monitor and audit all the HCQ and ivermectin clinical studies from Iran, India, Indonesia, Peru etc? LOL.

      Now Pfizer and Merck who railed against Hydroxy and Ivermectin have their own Pill (sic) form of antiviral they want to sell for billions and billions and billions.

      Not sure that Pfizer and Merck “railed against Hydroxy and Ivermectin” but the scientific data showed neither was effective. The new anti-viral meds have successfully completed randomized, placebo controlled, double blinded clinical studies and show effectiveness.

      The side-effect profiles of the vaccines are pretty standard. It is true that “according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, myocarditis/pericarditis rates are ?12.6 cases per million doses of second-dose mRNA vaccine among individuals 12 to 39 years of age.”

      it appears a new super cold is making its way around that might be linked to the vaccines It could also be linked to invisible aliens from Ganymede… the Enterovirus “super cold” was first identified in 1962 and there have been occasional outbreaks, e.g., 2014. One may have had this “cold” before and just assumed it was a “cold”. Masks and handwashing will reduce your risk! I would usually get 3-5 “colds” a year, but none since the pandemic started. Masking, social distancing and handwashing!

      The inventor of the mRNA vaccine went to the EU and told them to stop this vaccine Dr. Robert Malone claims he invented the mRNA vaccines – he didn’t, but his research DID contribute to the development. Dr. Malone has offered many misleading claims about the mRNA vaccines.

      There is no evidence that the mRNA vaccines cause infertility.

      The 1918 pandemic which “died out” killed some 700,000 Americans, and the young were particularly impacted. Note too that the US population then was less than one-third what it is today.

      “Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic.”

      It is not true that the vaccinated will not catch the disease. For viral diseases this depends on how quickly the viruses replicate in a host. Some viruses are slow replicators, e.g., smallpox. The coronaviruses replicate more rapidly and people can be infected but “kill off” the rapidly replicating virus more slowly.

      Look at it this way, the Covid vaccines transform Covid from a severe disease into just another mild “cold”. That’s a pretty good outcome, don’t you think?

      So why this massive push to end an endemic that will likely never go away?
      Because “the Covid vaccines transform Covid from a severe disease into just another mild “cold”.

      If we’re lucky (and careful), this is a once in a lifetime pandemic. Unfortunately, as a society we’ve sacrificed our reason for internet myths, distortions and disinformation.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        Rimjob: Not sure that Pfizer and Merck “railed against Hydroxy and Ivermectin” but the scientific data showed neither was effective.

        This statement has been shown to be incorrect with many previous citations presented here at the Cove and elsewhere.
        Just can’t help yourself repeating that falsehood, can you?
        And no don’t ask others took them up for you.

        #LetsGoBrandon
        #FJB
        #ItsTheVoices
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      • david7134 says:

        Jeff,
        Can you site the study that was conducted with ivermectin and HCQ in which the patients were in the early stages of the disease or in which the drugs were used as a prophylactic. My understanding is that that would require a patient base of at least 100,000. In other words impossible in the current circumstances. So you make a statement that is of no sense. As usual.

        Lets go Brandon.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          Dookie do typed: Can you site (sic) the study that was conducted with ivermectin and HCQ in which the patients were in the early stages of the disease or in which the drugs were used as a prophylactic.

          It’s incumbent upon the quacks promoting HCQ and ivermectin to “prove” that they work. They haven’t. You even admit that the studies supporting their claims don’t exist.

          Thank You, Brandon!!

          • david7134 says:

            So you make comments and have no idea of the subject. I can do that as an authority. You are not an authority, just a pathetic looser.

            Fuck Joe Biden.

  2. drowningpuppies says:

    It may be appropriate and necessary, but, that doesn’t make it legal and Constitutional.

    It’s under the “Appropriate and Necessary” clause…
    — Justice Johnnie Roberts.

    #LGBFJB
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  3. Hairy says:

    You people are the same guys that didn’t want seat belts mandated only one step away from sovereign citizens

    • Dana says:

      At least with stupid seat belt laws, they have very small fines, don’t put points against your driver’s license, disobedience is almost invisible, and people don’t lose their jobs for not wearing one.

      Those laws should be repealed. Actually, they should be declared unconstitutional, but no one is going to press a case all the way to the Supreme Court over a $25 fine.

      In the 1970s, a bunch of states passed mandatory helmet laws for riding motorcycles, but many of those have been subsequently repealed, because riders hated them.

      • Professor Hale says:

        Dana, I think he was referring to the law requiring car makers to install seat belts, not the laws requiring wearing one. In any case, none of us were old enough to have protested those laws, (maybe Kye was). Hairy may be that old too. He shows lots of signs of dementia and you can tell when his “pain meds” are kicking in because his spelling goes fuzzy.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          I’m old enough to recall the seat belt, airbag and catalytic converter “wars”.

        • Dana says:

          I’m old enough to remember when the mandatory seat belt usage laws were passed. At least at first, they were written so the police could not pull you over for just that; it was a secondary offense.

          But, of course, unless it is icy or snowing, I never wear one; I choose not to do so. In my 2010 F-150, there is a way to reprogram the seat belt alarm to not sound, and that has been done.

          you can tell when his “pain meds” are kicking in because his spelling goes fuzzy.

          That would be all the time.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Although sometimes Black men get shot for not being buckled.

        It’s true many motorcycle helmet laws have been modified (usually based on age). Helmetless motorcyclists who are injured should not be transported by gov’t ambulances or treated at hospitals receiving any taxpayer subsidies, agreed?

        • drowningpuppies says:

          Rimjob: Helmetless motorcyclists who are injured should not be transported by gov’t ambulances or treated at hospitals receiving any taxpayer subsidies, agreed?

          Ah, compassionate little dipshit ain’t cha?
          Would you suggest the same compassion for the millions of illegals entering the country?

          #LGBFJB
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        • david7134 says:

          Poor black men are so put upon. Maybe if they would not attack cops they would be ok.

          Or, get the message and move back to Africa.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            david7134,

            Do you really believe that all Black men in America were born in Africa?

          • david7134 says:

            No, Jeff I don’t. But they think they originate from there. They falsely believe they were slaves. They believe a large number of things that are false. Just as you. So they should return to their roots, remember the book?

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            dookie doodoo,

            Your advice to Black men (and women) is the choice to 1) stop whining (STFU) and die or 2) go “back” to Africa.

            And you deny being a white supremacist. You’re a great white supremacist! One of the best.

          • david7134 says:

            Jeff,
            All white men are white supremacist according to you and al the other communist. I find it pathetic the way folks like you run around with white guilt.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            dookie doodoo typed: All white men are white supremacists according to you…

            No, not all white men are white supremacists. But you are.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Rimjob, not all white men assrape their prepubescent grandsons and lie about joining the Army to show how tough they were but dipshits like you do.

            #GRTX1.82
            #LGBFJB
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          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            We’re sorry that drowningpuppies has been repeatedly abused by his Master William. It’s understood that adolescents such as drowningpuppies, abused as children, are very likely to abuse children.

        • Dana says:

          The stupid 55 MPH speed limit was also done away with, because the American people voted, with their right feet, against it. Stupid laws draw massive disobedience.

          Now, with the speed limits on the interstate highways being 65 or 70 MPH in most states, just set your cruise control at 78 MPH, and the chances of you being pulled over are negligible. People will drive the speed that is comfortable for them.

      • Zachriel says:

        Dana: Actually, they should be declared unconstitutional, but no one is going to press a case all the way to the Supreme Court over a $25 fine.

        That is incorrect. See Atwater v. Lago Vista.

  4. Dana says:

    Hardly a surprise: the left want to federalize everything, at least as long as they are in control in Washington. When Donald Trump was President, not so much!

    The left were perfectly happy with cities and states declaring themselves exempt from immigration laws, and passing legislation to decriminalize percolating people’s brains on pot, and setting up ‘supervised’ injection sites for junkies to protect them from overdosing.

    But now? The left are aghast that some states governed by conservatives are acting against vaccine mandates and mask mandates. Oh, those states don’t prevent people from getting vaccinated or wearing masks, but that’s not good enough for the left.

  5. Rio says:

    Great

  6. Zachriel says:

    William Teach: It may be appropriate and necessary, but, that doesn’t make it legal and Constitutional. Certainly not at the federal level

    The power to respond to epidemics is deeply rooted in common law. States clearly have the power. The Federal government also has the intrinsic power, but that would require Congress to act. Meanwhile, the executive is working within existing law, such as requiring federal workers to be vaccinated, and through worker safety laws already enacted by Congress.

    William Teach: We also had no Constitution and no laws during the War for Independence.

    The colonial legislatures continued during the period. The laws included the Virginia Declaration of Rights.
    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/virginia-declaration-of-rights

    William Teach: Further, these same people aren’t requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated before they cross the border, eh?

    Anyone applying for permanent residency in the U.S., including those seeking asylum, must have a battery of vaccinations, including for COVID.
    https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements

    • gitarcarver says:

      Meanwhile, the executive is working within existing law, such as requiring federal workers to be vaccinated, and through worker safety laws already enacted by Congress.

      The rule (no law) that Federal workers be vaccinated are being put forth by OSHA which has not a period for public comments as required by law.

      So no, the federal government is not working within the law.

      Anyone applying for permanent residency in the U.S., including those seeking asylum, must have a battery of vaccinations, including for COVID.

      Sorry, but you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Staying in the country is different from crossing the border. Why the shift of the goalpost?

      • Zachriel says:

        gitarcarver: The rule (no law) that Federal workers be vaccinated are being put forth by OSHA which has not a period for public comments as required by law.

        Federal workers are under a different mandate than workers covered by OSHA. It’s the latter that has been temporarily stayed by the federal appeals court. But it’s not stayed because it is beyond the power of the federal government generally, but stayed because it is allegedly beyond the power delegated by Congress under OSHA.

        OSHA is asserting emergency rule-making powers, but the courts will decide if they are working within the statute. Otherwise, OSHA will have to go through the rule-making process as mandated by the Administrative Procedure Act, but that takes time.

        gitarcarver: Staying in the country is different from crossing the border.

        Visitors are required to be vaccinated. All immigrant applicants are required to have a medical exam and show proof of vaccination or be vaccinated at the time of the medical exam.
        https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/laws-regs/vaccination-immigration/revised-vaccination-immigration-faq.html

  7. gitarcarver says:

    OSHA is asserting emergency rule-making powers, but the courts will decide if they are working within the statute.

    You missed the part where the CDC rent moratorium was challenged and the Supreme Court ruled that not only did the CDC not have the authority to make such a moratorium, but that because of the time frame from the start of COVID to the issuance of the moratorium the rule could not be considered an “emergency.”

    The same thinking will apply to the OSHA rule.

    You also have the issue that courts have ruled that vaccinations come under union contracts and must be negotiated and cannot be mandated.

    Visitors are required to be vaccinated. All immigrant applicants are required to have a medical exam and show proof of vaccination or be vaccinated at the time of the medical exam.

    Once again, you are shifting the goal posts from being stopped at the border.

    Secondly, here are the required vaccines from your own citation:

    Mumps
    Measles
    Rubella
    Polio
    Tetanus and diphtheria
    Pertussis
    Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)

    Hepatitis A
    Hepatitis B
    Rotavirus
    Meningococcal disease
    Varicella
    Pneumococcal disease
    Seasonal influenza

    Notice what is missing.

    Secondly, Florida asked for data from the Biden administration on the number of immigrants being flown to Florida under the Biden relocation plan. Florida asked for the data on the number of people that needed to be vaccinated, were vaccinated, and whether they were fully vaccinated.

    The Federal government has as of this date refused to supply that basic data.

    Lastly, you are making the assumption that all of the people that are crossing the border are crossing at monitored points. We know that is not the case. The idea that all immigrants are vaccinated flies in the face of reality.

    • Zachriel says:

      gitarcarver: You missed the part where the CDC rent moratorium was challenged and the Supreme Court ruled that not only did the CDC not have the authority to make such a moratorium, but that because of the time frame from the start of COVID to the issuance of the moratorium the rule could not be considered an “emergency.”

      The Supreme Court ruling concerned a different statute, 42 U.S. Code § 264 {Section 361(a) of the Public Health Service Act}, so wouldn’t be applicable. Nor was an emergency provision at issue. Rather, it was based on the lack of intent of Congress to grant such a power.

      gitarcarver: Notice what is missing.

      “Any future vaccines recommended by ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) for the general U.S. public will be subject to the new vaccination criteria.”

      https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/alerts/covid-19-vaccination-required-for-immigration-medical-examinations

      gitarcarver: Lastly, you are making the assumption that all of the people that are crossing the border are crossing at monitored points.

      Not at all, but you can’t expect the government to vaccinate those it doesn’t have in the system. They can still get vaccinations elsewhere, and if they are working, their employer may already require it.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        KIDDIEZ: Not at all, but you can’t expect the government to vaccinate those it doesn’t have in the system.

        So the KIDDIEZ would have you believe those thousands of illegals that were given bus tickets and seats on chartered planes by the Brandon administration are NOT in the system?

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      • gitarcarver says:

        Nor was an emergency provision at issue.

        Actually in the pleadings, the CDC argued it was an emergency.

        While we can discuss whether the statutes are the same, the meaning of the word “emergency” translates across both statutes.

        That’s the point that you are unsuccessfully trying to ignore.

        “Any future vaccines recommended by ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) for the general U.S. public will be subject to the new vaccination criteria.”

        From your citation: U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services today announced that, effective Oct. 1, 2021, applicants subject to the immigration medical examination must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 before the civil surgeon can complete an immigration medical examination and sign Form I-693, Report of Medical Examination and Vaccination Record.

        So people cannot get examined to remain in the US without being vaccinated yet according to you, they have to be vaccinated to even cross the border.

        Quite a conundrum you have set up there, isn’t it?

        Not at all, but you can’t expect the government to vaccinate those it doesn’t have in the system.

        So you are admitting that unvaccinated people are still crossing the border and residing in the country. That definitely contradicts your statement that all immigrants are vaccinated, doesn’t it?

        They can still get vaccinations elsewhere

        How? Who is going to pay for the vaccination? Illegal immigrants do not have health care they pay for and are proscribed by law not to be eligible for medicare.

        and if they are working, their employer may already require it.

        If they are working legally in the country, they would have met the requirements you believe stop people from entering the country if not vaccinated.

        If they get vaccinated, they create a record of being in the country illegally.

        Once again, the Biden administration is refusing to supply the data for states who will face the brunt of this unvaccinated invasion of people.

        If things were going as you assert, why not supply the data? Why hide it?

        Secondly, in that the people crossing the southern border are mostly Hispanic, this comes into play:

        Hispanic people represent a larger share of cases relative to their share of the total population (27% vs. 17%), while their share of deaths is more proportionate to their share of the population (18% vs. 17%)

        https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/issue-brief/covid-19-cases-and-deaths-by-race-ethnicity-current-data-and-changes-over-time/

        Given that you are saying that all immigrants are vaccinated, how does the data match up to your claim?

        Fact is it doesn’t.

        • Zachriel says:

          gitarcarver: Actually in the pleadings, the CDC argued it was an emergency.

          The stay was based on Congress’s lack of intent in crafting the statute.

          gitarcarver: So people cannot get examined to remain in the US without being vaccinated yet according to you, they have to be vaccinated to even cross the border.

          No. Visitors have to be vaccinated. Those who are applying for residency have to be vaccinated as part of the application process.

          gitarcarver: So you are admitting that unvaccinated people are still crossing the border and residing in the country.

          Well, duh.

          gitarcarver: Illegal immigrants do not have health care they pay for and are proscribed by law not to be eligible for medicare.

          Applying for residency costs money. They can work for it, rely on family, or various charitable organizations.

          gitarcarver: Given that you are saying that all immigrants are vaccinated,

          We didn’t say that. The original comment concerned “illegal aliens.” Those who cross undetected may or may not be vaccinated. However, those that enter the system either apply for residency or are deported. If they apply for residency, they have to be vaccinated.

  8. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    gc: So people cannot get examined to remain in the US without being vaccinated yet according to you, they have to be vaccinated to even cross the border.

    Quite a conundrum you have set up there, isn’t it?

    What was said: Visitors are required to be vaccinated. All immigrant applicants are required to have a medical exam and show proof of vaccination or be vaccinated at the time of the medical exam.

    https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/laws-regs/vaccination-immigration/revised-vaccination-immigration-faq.html

    Reading Comprehension for 200, Alex…

    • Dana says:

      The problem isn’t legal immigration; the problem is illegal immigration! They sneak into the country by the thousands upon thousands, with no vetting, no criminal background checks, nothing, and your fellow travelers and you support that!

    • gitarcarver says:

      What was said: Visitors are required to be vaccinated. All immigrant applicants are required to have a medical exam and show proof of vaccination or be vaccinated at the time of the medical exam.

      What was said and you have said in the past is that to enter the country, people must be vaccinated.

      Your own citation shows that isn’t true.

      In addition, as I stated, the “medical exam” applies to people crossing at legal points. It doesn’t address illegally crossing the border. Yet you and Zac seem to think that all people entering the country are vaccinated.

      They aren’t.

      As usual, you hate any type of pushback against critical thinking and lies.

      Then again, all the left has is hate.

      • Zachriel says:

        gitarcarver: It doesn’t address illegally crossing the border.

        Well, duh. Here’s the original statement:

        William Teach: these same people aren’t requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated before they cross the border, eh?

        Visitors to the U.S. *are* required to be vaccinated. If they enter undetected, however, they are evading this requirement. If they are caught, the vast majority will apply for residency, so will be vaccinated as part of that process.

        • CarolAnn says:

          I have a question. Why would anyone be able to visit the United States whether vaxxed or not if the vaxx does not guarantee they can’t get the Covid and they can’t pass the Covid? Why indeed, would people be allowed to visit if there is a deadly pandemic vaxxed or not?

          BTW, immigrants are required to have both physical and mental exams PRIOR to coming to the US not after. So how is that accomplished when they illegally arrive?

          They can’t seem to keep criminals and gang members out so how can they keep out the sick and infirm? Why are pregnant women allowed in?

          I think they change/ignore the rules according to what pleases their political proclivities and not what is good for America, obviously or they would close the border period to protect us.

          • Zachriel says:

            CarolAnn: Why would anyone be able to visit the United States whether vaxxed or not if the vaxx does not guarantee they can’t get the Covid and they can’t pass the Covid?

            Vaccination reduces the chance of infection, and therefore reinfection.

            CarolAnn: Why indeed, would people be allowed to visit if there is a deadly pandemic vaxxed or not?

            Visitors from many countries have been restricted until recently. However, vaccination and testing worked to allow for essential travel.

            CarolAnn: immigrants are required to have both physical and mental exams PRIOR to coming to the US not after.

            If the immigrant is applying for residency from abroad, the medical exam is by a panel physician. If the immigrant is applying for residency from within the United States, the exam is by a civil surgeon.

            CarolAnn: Why are pregnant women allowed in?

            If they are refugees, then they have the right under international and U.S. law to apply for asylum.

            CarolAnn: I think they change/ignore the rules according to what pleases their political proclivities and not what is good for America, obviously or they would close the border period to protect us.

            Sort of like how some Americans wouldn’t allow for refugees even though it is a right under international and U.S. law.

        • gitarcarver says:

          Well, duh. Here’s the original statement:

          Glad you realize the idiocy of your position.

          Visitors to the U.S. *are* required to be vaccinated.

          Are you saying that “visitors” are the same thing as “illegal aliens?”

          If they enter undetected, however, they are evading this requirement.

          You are admitting that illegal immigrants are evading the requirement, just as Teach said and just as I have been saying.

          Why are you fighting and disputing that which you say is true?

          Is it simply a Pavlovian response that you feel that you have to disagree with anything conservative says? Or is it a case of just being dishonest?

          If they are caught, the vast majority will apply for residency, so will be vaccinated as part of that process.

          Once again, you are admitting that people crossing into the country are not always vaccinated.

          Furthermore, you still aren’t addressing the point that states are asking for the data on vaccinations for illegal aliens that are flown from the border into other states and the government won’t supply it.

          It is a simple question: do legal citizens of the US have the right to know when illegal aliens are being shuttled into their states (and raising costs to citizens) and that the government is following its own policies?

          However, by all means, keep posting comments that prove what others are saying.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Here comes the “in any case, our comments are substantive” response.

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          • Zachriel says:

            gitarcarver: Are you saying that “visitors” are the same thing as “illegal aliens?”

            You’re the one who keeps using the term “illegal aliens.” You need to say exactly what you mean with the term.

            gitarcarver: You are admitting that illegal immigrants are evading the requirement, just as Teach said and just as I have been saying.

            Of course, some immigrants are evading the requirement. But Teach said that they weren’t requiring vaccination, which was not correct. Vaccination is required for visitors. It’s also required for those applying for residency. That people evade those requirements doesn’t mean the requirement doesn’t exist.

            gitarcarver: you are admitting that people crossing into the country are not always vaccinated.

            We never disputed that.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            KiddieZ: Of course, some immigrants are evading the requirement.

            Some? Try 2 million, KiddieZ.
            As usual y’all are full of shit.

            #LGBFJB
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          • gitarcarver says:

            You’re the one who keeps using the term “illegal aliens.” You need to say exactly what you mean with the term.

            Back the linguistic truck up here. YOU quoted the Teach’s point to which you were trying to address:

            William Teach: these same people aren’t requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated before they cross the border, eh?

            You then substituted “visitors” for “illegal aliens” in your response.

            You are the one creating the confusion, or the confusion as it appears in your mind.

            Of course, some immigrants are evading the requirement. But Teach said that they weren’t requiring vaccination, which was not correct.

            Let’s go back to Teach’s comment which you tried to address and failed:

            William Teach: these same people aren’t requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated before they cross the border, eh?

            Are you really trying to say that the Boarder Patrol is requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated as they are illegally crossing the boarder? That’s illogical, but instead of admitting your mistake, you keep digging the hole deeper.

            We never disputed that.

            Actually you have:

            No. Visitors have to be vaccinated.

            Is it your opinion that “visitors” are not “illegal aliens” and they will simply leave and or not stay here?

            Keep digging.

          • Zachriel says:

            gitarcarver: You then substituted “visitors” for “illegal aliens” in your response.

            Because “illegal aliens” is a disparate classification. To make sense of your claims, we asked you to provide a specific definition.

            If you mean people who sneak across the border and live in the shadows, they are required to register with immigration, and depending on their status, to get vaccinated to remain in the U.S. So, assuming you mean those who are living in the shadows, William Teach’s claim is false.

            gitarcarver: Are you really trying to say that the Boarder Patrol is requiring illegal aliens to be vaccinated as they are illegally crossing the boarder?

            If they are caught, then they have a choice. If they apply for residency, then vaccination is required. If they decide to return home, then they are not required to be vaccinated.

  9. Zombies are Cool says:

    If they are caught, then they have a choice. If they apply for residency, then vaccination is required. If they decide to return home, then they are not required to be vaccinated.

    After they are flown first class to Florida and dropped off, do they return 2 weeks later for their second shot, and what about boosters?

    Illegal Alien is a “disparate classification”

    In the clinic, the use of, or lack of familiarity with, disparate classification systems may cause miscommunication when studying and treating specific types of clefts. Similarly, in research, the use of disparate classification systems by different Centers participating in a national or international-scale study may significantly confound interpretations of data and unduly skew….

    This is how it is very evident that Zach is Elwood who I understand is into science in some way.

    As for this classification.

    8 U.S. Code § 1325 – Improper entry by alien

    The Supreme Court has consistently used “illegal alien” in its opinions, with former Justice Lewis Powell employing the term in the 1976 case United States v. Martinez-Fuerte.[5] Even U.S. presidents regularly used the term, including President Bill Clinton who mentioned “illegal aliens” in his 1995 State of the Union address.[6]

    So.

    What you are doing is attempting to call them Undocumented rather than what they are.

    Here Illegally and considered by the law as aliens. Hence Illegal Aliens which does not do a disservice to them because they are in fact breaking the law by coming across the border illegally.

    • Zachriel says:

      Zombies are Cool: After they are flown first class to Florida and dropped off, do they return 2 weeks later for their second shot, and what about boosters?

      If they apply for residency, then vaccinations are required. If they skip out on parole, they probably can’t apply for residency later and are subject to deportation.

      Zombies are Cool: Hence Illegal Aliens which does not do a disservice to them because they are in fact breaking the law by coming across the border illegally.

      It’s a disparate group. It can refer to people who entered the U.S. illegally, or to people who entered legally but overstayed their visas. Then there are minor children who crossed the border with their parents, so are not guilty of any crime.

      • Zombies are Cool says:

        Excuse me?

        Why are illegals applying for citizenship instead of being deported? Why are they being flown all across the fruited plain? Why is Biden not finishing the wall that was started many decades ago?

        So you say they are skipping out on parole. Does that mean you understand they are here illegally?

        Either case you present, they are illegally in the USA and have broken the law. Hence according to US law, they are and can be considered Illegal aliens. They are not disparate. Both are illegal.

        AS for the children. Again. They are here illegally as well. Most reasonable people understand a two-year-old is not a criminal but they did get here via criminal behavior.

        Disparate is just a woke walker term for trying to turn anyone who disagrees with you into racists, homophobes, and white nationalists. I love how they called the Lt. Governor, a black woman, a white nationalist.

        • Zachriel says:

          Zombies are Cool: Why are illegals applying for citizenship instead of being deported?

          Because they want to become citizens.

          Zombies are Cool: So you say they are skipping out on parole.

          Some do. The vast majority of those seeking asylum attend their court hearing. If they have children, then nearly all attend their court hearing.

          Zombies are Cool: Either case you present, they are illegally in the USA and have broken the law. Hence according to US law, they are and can be considered Illegal aliens.

          Overstaying a visa is not a crime.

          Zombies are Cool: They are here illegally as well.

          They didn’t commit a crime. Nor is someone who shows up at a border crossing to make an an asylum claim committing a crime.

          In any case, anyone applying for residency must be vaccinated.

      • david7134 says:

        Z,
        Dumb child. These wet backs do not have any use for our laws. There presence here takes jobs, takes our tax money and erodes the communities in which they are dumped. They will bring disease and poverty.

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