Illinois To Ban Fossil Fuels By 2045 Or Something

It would be funny as hell if the fossil fuels companies said “oh, you want to ban our products? OK, guess you don’t need them now. We won’t be importing any of those products to your state starting now.” Perhaps the fossil fuels companies could start with just a few cities, such as the state capitol of Springfield and the dangerous city of Chicago, add in Aurora, Joliet, and Naperville, which have the largest populations in the state behind Chicago. Let’s see how that works out. No more airplanes, no more trucks full of goods and foods. No heating oil as winter comes.

Illinois becomes 1st Midwestern state to pass a law to phase out fossil fuels

st greta carAt a time when the Midwest is being battered by more severe storms due to climate change, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed a landmark law this month that will transition the state to 100 percent clean energy by 2045, with benchmarks along the way.

While the effort has largely escaped national media attention, it is especially noteworthy for three reasons: Illinois is the first state in the coal-heavy Midwest to commit to eliminating carbon emissions; the plan received some Republican support; and it includes programs to ensure economic and racial equity.

“What we’ve now done is made it clear that [fossil fuels] are not in Illinois’s future,” Jack Darin, director of the Illinois chapter of the Sierra Club, told Yahoo News.

Of course, so much of this will be forgotten by 2045. Because this is more about climavirtue signaling. But, how do they expect to replace all the coal and fossil fuels?

One of the reasons that Illinois can afford to be so much more aggressive is that it has the largest nuclear energy fleet in the nation, so it can stop burning coal and natural gas for power even if renewables aren’t ready to meet 100 percent of demand.

Is natural gas not a fossil fuel? Are climahysterics and extreme enviros not against its use? Yes, yes they are. They want the use of natural gas banned, which is why you are seeing so many climate cult pushes to ban the use of natural gas run stoves, heating systems, fireplaces, and boilers/heaters. Nuclear? The same people are mostly against the use of nuclear, and certainly do not want new plants built.

But Illinois isn’t just going to boost nuclear: The law will double the subsidies for renewable sources of energy, to around $580 million per year.

Yes, because wind works well when they’re frozen and solar is fantastic when covered with snow. Do they actually think those two can provide power for Chicago? Good luck! I’m going to skip by the typical climate justice section

And while environmentalists are singing the law’s praises, there are a few key components of climate action that it does not fully address, including emissions from transportation and coal mining. Still, it is considered a first step in a process that begins with cleaning up the power sector, then moves on to electrifying other major sources of emissions, like home heating and industrial processes.

Another part is how this will actually work, especially considering what to do with the airports and ships and trucks, needed to bring in products and goods, including food. Good luck!

The law includes provisions for statewide building codes to improve efficiency and begin electrification of heating. Illinois drivers can get a $4,000 rebate if they buy an electric car, with the state goal of reaching a million electric vehicles on Illinois roads by 2030. Still, that’s a long way from being carbon-neutral in a state with close to 13 million residents, but the bill’s backers say Illinois will take more action on other aspects of the climate fight, such as transportation, in the near future.

Forcing people to spend money on their homes. A rebate is not actually money. Most people cannot afford an EV. How will you charge them? They’ll let you know later about how they will get food and goods to the state. Good luck! Oh, and since y’all voted for it, don’t leave Illinois. Stay and reap the outcome.

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34 Responses to “Illinois To Ban Fossil Fuels By 2045 Or Something”

  1. Dana says:

    Our esteemed host quoted:

    The law includes provisions for statewide building codes to improve efficiency and begin electrification of heating. Illinois drivers can get a $4,000 rebate if they buy an electric car, with the state goal of reaching a million electric vehicles on Illinois roads by 2030. Still, that’s a long way from being carbon-neutral in a state with close to 13 million residents, but the bill’s backers say Illinois will take more action on other aspects of the climate fight, such as transportation, in the near future.

    Think about that. Since most families have two cars these days, this $4,000 rebate, with a 1,000,000 vehicle goal, might get 20% of families to have one electric vehicle, while keeping another gasoline powered vehicle for those times when a Chevy Dolt is simply not practical, and 80% of families to keep two gasoline-powered vehicles.

    Illinois is a very ‘blue’ state, so shouldn’t we be seeing the denizens therein all rushing out to buy Teslas anyway, regardless of rebates?

    Why isn’t this happening already? Despite the claims of the distinguished Mr Dowd and the Hirsute One, when given a choice, the new car buying public — which are older, the average age of new car buyers is 53 — are simply not buying very many plug in electric vehicles. If they were, government ‘incentives’ wouldn’t be needed.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      The Alinskyite, Mr Dana, once again uses Rules for Radicals, Rule #4! Why don’t all those “blue” Illini hypocrites go out and buy plug in cars without government subsidies! We bet it makes him question whether global warming is even real!

      After all, the heavily government subsidized unhypocritical petrol-buying Mr Dana doesn’t need subsidies… oh wait – gasoline has been heavily subsidized forever. Imagine if fossil fuel prices reflected their true costs!!

      We understand that William Teach and Mr Dana are propagandists for fossil fuels for reasons they likely don’t understand.

      • drowningpuppies says:

        Not an original thought or reasonable rebuttal in three paragraphs.
        Rimjob never has quite understood what subsidies really are.
        Well guess pissing and moaning is all the little dipshit understands.

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      • Dana says:

        The distinguished Mr Dowd wrote:

        The Alinskyite, Mr Dana, once again uses Rules for Radicals, Rule #4! Why don’t all those “blue” Illini hypocrites go out and buy plug in cars without government subsidies! We bet it makes him question whether global warming is even real!

        LOL! You call it “Alinskyite,” as a way of denigrating the question, but the question still remains: why aren’t blue staters out there, buying up those Teslas and Dolts and the other things? Why would a blue state like Illinois or Connecticut or Taxachusetts need to subsidize the already well-to-do — and new car buyers pretty much have to be fairly well off — to buy the things that the left say we should all buy?

        How about you? You’ve told us before that you are well off financially, so the obvious question is: have you put your money where your mouth is? Do you have a Tesla or some other plug in electric car? I checked for you: there are plenty of Tesla charging stations!

        We can’t know why all of those other blue staters aren’t rushing out to buy these plug in electric cars, but we can know why you don’t, if you haven’t bought one, because we can ask you, personally, what your reason is.

  2. Dana says:

    Let’s say you buy a Chevy Dolt in Illinois. OK, you get a $4,000 rebate. Of course, you don’t get that rebate immediately, but later, so you still have to have financed that money in the initial purchase price of the vehicle.

    But you still need to be able to charge the car, so you are going to need a home charging station . . . assuming that you have someplace to put it. A lower end 240 volt, 30 to 40 amp station will cost in the $500 to $600 dollar range, but you will need a 240 volt, 50 amp receptacle in the garage into which to plug it. Do you have 200 amp service in your home? Many older homes still have just 100 amp service, so if that’s you, you are going to spend that entire $4,000 rebate — which you still haven’t received yet — on the sparktrician to change your service and install the needed line into your garage.

    If you do have 200 amp service, it’ll cost less, but getting an electrician to run that new line from your breaker panel to an acceptable location in your garage is going to cost you over $1,000.

    Me? I’m lucky: I have separate 200 amp service in my garage, and the knowledge, skills and tools to install such a line myself, but I’m still not a licensed electrician. How many other people have what they need to run such a service themselves?

  3. Jl says:

    “Midwest is being battered by more severe storms..”. No, they’re not, but let’s play along-more than what? The last 10 years, or 30 years or 50 years, ect.? Severe tornadoes are down slightly-guess those don’t count as severe storms..

  4. Conservatives Rock says:

    Arizona Audit put in perspective. AKA the real truth about what the report showed.

    In short look at this short video which does a good job(By a PHD. who spent 20 plus years teaching college) in explaining why the Arizona Audit is a gut punch to the left but covered up by Social Media and the Marxist Media.

    https://www.thepiratescove.us/

    Enjoy and do not be disheartened by the leftist propaganda they continually propagate.

    • Conservatives Rock says:

      Sorry about the above link. This is the proper link if you want the skinny on the Arizona Audit.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cst1btc8gbA

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Turley is a fervid tRump supporter, has a doctorate in Christianity, is a right-winger, sells his T-shirts and mugs online… and has said:

        “In Christian theology, this is the fundamental role of the state — the protection and preservation of the Christian faith. This is the whole means by which the state is redeemed, the means by which the state is incorporated in the transformative life, death and resurrection of Christ.”

        and “nationalism is indispensable to the preservation of Christian-inspired Western civilization”.

        He considers tRump’s moral failings to be excusable since tRump is the redeemer by guiding the federal gov’t to protect and preserve the Christian faith.

        Why would anyone believe a word he says on youtube?? LOL.

        • drowningpuppies says:

          A cursory glance at Turley’s bona fides reveals Rimjob, dipshit that he is, is lying again.
          But that should surprise no one.
          Why would anyone believe a word Rimjob posts here at the Cove?
          Thanks dumbass for just being you.

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          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Spitroast and his employer, the Dipshit in Chief, William Teach, are liars and dipshits.

            Spitroast just lied to everyone here. Again.

        • Conservatives Rock says:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMxqYE3bOaM

          To This Elwood chap. Turley is indeed a Trump supporter but he provides facts to support his talks.

          This video headlines another fervent truth this time by the British Media. The guy Turley talks about in this video is an anti-Trumper and yet he proclaims the following.

          So Trump was right along. The elections are rigged.

  5. Hairy says:

    EVs are less costly to operate at the present time. I bieve that difference will only increase in the future
    And of course have far superior acceleration
    Dana in 25 years from now do you think the battery range of EVs will be the same?
    The most popular vehicles in the USA are currently big pickup trucks, with poor fuel mileage that will be a big segment of American EV sales
    Ford Lightnig pickup truck reservations are now over 140000
    And comes standard with 563hp

    • CapitalistRoader says:

      Plug-in EV’s constitute about 2% of total US auto sales, with half of those sales in California. That tiny market share hasn’t changed much in the past five years.

      EVs work OK in a mild weather state like CA and the customers are typically very well off financially with a median annual income of $150,000, triple the average. And their EV a second or third car driven about 5000 miles per year.

      To think that the average Illinoisan will choose to buy an EV as their only car is ridiculous.

    • Kye says:

      Did you buy your highly touted EV yet Hairy, or are you just doing your usual bullshit without walking the walk? You radical leftists are all alike. You want everybody else to do the shit you think they should while you ignore your own advise. Another bullshit artis just like Hunter and his senile crooked dad.

    • gitarcarver says:

      And comes standard with 563hp

      Not surprisingly, Hairy gets the facts wrong.

      From: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/

      The F-150 Lightning with the extended-range battery has a targeted 563 horsepower and 775 pound-feet of torque. *

      **Based on manufacturer testing using computer engineering simulations. Calculated via peak performance of the electric motor(s) at peak battery power. Your results may vary.

      So the Lightning 563 HP is only a projection based on modeling, has not been achieved in the real world and only works when everything is perfect on the vehicle.

      In addition, the Lighting will come with a 230-300 mile range (again, not tested and only computer simulated) while the current fleet of F-150 have a range of 437-575 miles.

      While Hairy is excited about the Lightning and other EV’s he misrepresents, the biggest question that he never answers is “where is the electricity to charge the EV’s going to come from?”

      We know that Hairy hates coal, gas and nuclear. Wind and solar can’t take up the strain. Nothing like a multi thousand dollar brick in your driveway.

      Why is it that the left hates facts and research?

      Then again, all the left has is hate.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Why would the whiny titty baby gitarcarver even bother to type his tripe?

        Hairy said 563 HP, Ford says 563 HP. gitarcarver claims 563 does not equal 563.

        Then again, all gitarcarver has is hate. And ignorance, dishonesty and his consistently slippery arguments.

        • drowningpuppies says:

          Then again, all Rimjob has is love. And intelligence, honesty, and his consistently stable arguments.
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        • gitarcarver says:

          Why would the whiny titty baby Elwood even bother to type his tripe?

          There. Fixed that for you.

          Hairy said 563 HP, Ford says 563 HP. gitarcarver claims 563 does not equal 563.

          Ford makes no claim that the Lightning has 563 real world horsepower.

          Secondly, Ford does not claim where the horsepower is – at the engine or at the wheels.

          I apologize for making a real world argument that is based on the many things that are outside of your scope of knowledge and your ability to read.

          I know these things are difficult for you to understand because any truth that goes against the hatred of the left you feel you have to defend.

          You would rather defend a lie that admit that you and Hairy are wrong.

          That’s the depth of your hate.

          Then again, all the left has is hate.

          • Constant Arguments says:

            Tesla model S Plaid has 1020 FT. LB. of Torque, does the quarter mile in 150 plus MPH and holds a world record for the fastest production car at 9.23 second et in the quarter mile. Its cost is 129k.

            It is the size of an Accord.

            The model 3 is the size of a honda civic and cost 48-52k. Both cars can exceed 300 miles in range before a good charge only takes 20-30 minutes to get the cars back to 90 percent.

            I would love to have a tesla. None of the other electric cars can touch a tesla. That is because they are afterthoughts for their respective automakers. They are also expensive as hell and have a resale value of around NOTHING.

            Volvo has a new SUV. All electric. Gets around 200 miles range and costs 60k. Its resale value has already fallen through the floor. Own it and love it cause you ain’t trading it in unless your rich and can eat the write-off.

          • Hairy says:

            Lol
            Really thst is all you have ? That Ford has not announced where the hp was measured?
            Ok
            Let’s assume it was the lesser at the engine
            Now what is your point? That 563hp is nothing special in a base model truck?

          • gitarcarver says:

            Really thst is all you have ? That Ford has not announced where the hp was measured?

            I know it is hard for someone like you who doesn’t deal with numbers, engineering and the physical sciences, but you claim that Ford says that the truck on the road has 563 hp.

            That’s not what Ford claimed. They claimed that theoretically, the truck has that much hp.

            It’s an odd claim when you think about it – that Ford is releasing numbers based on data that is not real despite supposedly having trucks to test on.

            The point is that you lied.

            When it comes to things like this, you always lie. You do not have an ounce of truth within your woman hating, child killing soul.

            I have no idea why you hate facts so much, but you do.

            Then again, all the left has is hate.

          • Constant Arguments says:

            It is very difficult to Dyno an electric vehicle because they have this insane desire to shut down if they sense any vehicle in the vicinity. This is a safety feature being put into all-electric cars because they tend to be faster than shit in acceleration. In this case any type of structural appendage in the dyno shop would give false readings.

            Additionally the FT. LB of Torque of the Ford Pickup is quite lacking given the same Diesel trucks are putting out 1000 ft. lb of torque and can haul much larger loads.

            Additionally Battery charge is a real thing. A tesla Plaid will run 153 in the quarter-mile at 97-100 percent charge and 145-147 at 60 percent charge. Additionally, the et of those runs will be in the 9.20 range Ie…9.23-9.29 but will be running 9.50-9.60 in the 60 percent charge range.

            Torque also falls off as the battery charge diminishes. So 775-pound feet of torque truck hauling a max load will begin to struggle rather quickly since the tesla loses 3 percent of charge on a single charge I can only imagine that a truck would lose 25-30 percent charge pulling a load across town and if there was no way to charge that truck might not get the max load back by the end of the day’s work.

            I think Ford Owners are going to have a lot of headaches to deal with considering it’s all about the charge in the battery for any Electric vehicle as to what the HP and torque end up being in a functional daily setting. That’s not to say this can’t be fixed but I would not be jumping on the Ford Electric truck bandwagon until they fix the inevitable lies they are passing off right now.

            Any car dealer is like the MSM they will tell you what the hell ever to sell a car. Unlike Tesla who really is in a league of their own, on another planet beyond our solar system.

    • Dana says:

      The Hirsute One asked me:

      Dana in 25 years from now do you think the battery range of EVs will be the same?

      Perhaps, and perhaps not. Perhaps in 25 years people will really want them, but we don’t know that and can’t know that. We do know that the left want to force people into them, whether they want them or not.

      Will battery range be the same? Batteries are, basically, chemical reservoirs which can take, hold, and dispense an electrical charge. They have no mechanical parts, the efficiency of which can be improved, so the only improvement can be to find new chemical compounds with greater electric storage capacity; we do not yet know if such can be developed.

      But, right now, batteries depend on some rather rare earths, and lithium. Lithium is actually common, but not all that commercially viable. From Wikipedia:

      Although lithium is widely distributed on Earth, it does not naturally occur in elemental form due to its high reactivity.[4] The total lithium content of seawater is very large and is estimated as 230 billion tonnes, where the element exists at a relatively constant concentration of 0.14 to 0.25 parts per million (ppm),[37][38] or 25 micromolar;[39] higher concentrations approaching 7 ppm are found near hydrothermal vents.[38]

      Estimates for the Earth’s crustal content range from 20 to 70 ppm by weight.[40] Lithium constitutes about 0.002 percent of Earth’s crust.[41] In keeping with its name, lithium forms a minor part of igneous rocks, with the largest concentrations in granites. Granitic pegmatites also provide the greatest abundance of lithium-containing minerals, with spodumene and petalite being the most commercially viable sources.[40] Another significant mineral of lithium is lepidolite which is now an obsolete name for a series formed by polylithionite and trilithionite.[42][43] A newer source for lithium is hectorite clay, the only active development of which is through the Western Lithium Corporation in the United States.[44] At 20 mg lithium per kg of Earth’s crust,[45] lithium is the 25th most abundant element.

      According to the Handbook of Lithium and Natural Calcium, “Lithium is a comparatively rare element, although it is found in many rocks and some brines, but always in very low concentrations. There are a fairly large number of both lithium mineral and brine deposits but only comparatively few of them are of actual or potential commercial value. Many are very small, others are too low in grade.”[46]

      Chile is estimated (2020) to have the largest reserves by far (9.2 million tonnes),[47] and Australia the highest annual production (40,000 tonnes).[47] One of the largest reserve bases[note 1] of lithium is in the Salar de Uyuni area of Bolivia, which has 5.4 million tonnes. Other major suppliers include Australia, Argentina and China.[48][49] As of 2015, the Czech Geological Survey considered the entire Ore Mountains in the Czech Republic as lithium province. Five deposits are registered, one near Cínovec [cs] is considered as a potentially economical deposit, with 160 000 tonnes of lithium.[50] In December 2019, Finnish mining company Keliber Oy reported its Rapasaari lithium deposit has estimated proven and probable ore reserves of 5.280 million tonnes.[51]

      In June 2010, The New York Times reported that American geologists were conducting ground surveys on dry salt lakes in western Afghanistan believing that large deposits of lithium are located there.[52] These estimates are “based principally on old data, which was gathered mainly by the Soviets during their occupation of Afghanistan from 1979–1989”.[53] The US Ministry of Defense estimated the lithium reserves in Afghanistan to amount to the ones in Bolivia and dubbed it as a potential “Saudi-Arabia of lithium”.[54] In Cornwall, England, the presence of brine rich in lithium was well-known due to the region’s historic mining industry, and private investors have conducted tests to investigate potential lithium extraction in this area.

      • Hairy says:

        Lithium ion batteries have undergone rapid and sustained improvements using the same chemicals
        Batteries will continue to have substantial improvements
        Anyone thinking otherwise is living in their own bizzaro world
        And as far as no one wants them that number is also increasing
        It was the same with computers and with cell phones Lol how many will want to use a cell phone at 4 dollars per min??
        EVs are coming

        • Kye says:

          I fail to understand your argument Hairy. First, EV’s aren’t “coming”, they are here. We are all aware of that fact. Secondly, no one here is against EV’s just like no one here is against vaccines. We’re against a few fuking fascists DEMANDING we all use them and have no other options. Every peg does not fit in the same hole. We are all equal but we are all not the same.

          We are individuals and (supposedly) Free Americans and therefore are capable of deciding what car we want to buy and what medicine we want in our bodies. That idea seems to run counter to your desires, Hairy. Perhaps you’d be happier in a country like Afghanistan where compliance is NEVER an option?

          I don’t know why you and people like you derive some sort of pleasure or superiority over others by telling them how to run their lives, but it sure is disconcerting to think you actually believe you have the right to force others to acquiesce to your demands by use of government force even up to including incarceration and execution. After all, that’s all government knows: FORCE or death.

          I do keep asking and so far have received no response: if you love EV’s so much why aren’t you driving one? My wife will most likely be driving a new Tesla before you will.

  6. CapitalistRoader says:

    Plug-in EV’s constitute about 2% of total US auto sales, with half of those sales in California. That tiny market share hasn’t changed much in the past five years.

    EVs work OK in a mild weather state like CA and the customers are typically very well off financially with a median annual income of $150,000, triple the average. And their EV a second or third car driven about 5000 miles per year.

    To think that the average Illinoisan will choose to buy an EV as their only car is ridiculous.

    • Hairy says:

      Lithium ion batteries have undergone rapid and sustained improvements using the same chemicals
      Batteries will continue to have substantial improvements
      Anyone thinking otherwise is living in their own bizzaro world
      And as far as no one wants them that number is also increasing
      It was the same with computers and with cell phones Lol how many will want to use a cell phone at 4 dollars per min??
      EVs are coming
      Lol
      Evs will not work well in AK? They will only work well in places where Ameticsnd most want to live?
      GM has announced no more fossil fuel cars after 2035 and that is online with most other car manufacturers
      That decision was made by capitalists not hippies

  7. Hairy says:

    Haven’t most automobile manufacturers also said they are phasing out the fossilvera vehicles?

    • Kye says:

      They can “say” anything they want to seem “green”. Hell, you do! They will make what people will buy. If it’s EV’s then so be it. But when electric is not available for a week ONCE that will be the end of that.

      • Dana says:

        I’m the guy who has been without electricity for almost five days; that’s why we went from all electric heat to a propane fireplace and propane hot water heater as backups.

        • Kye says:

          Two years ago due to fallen trees all over Montco I was without electric for 13 days. Now, I’m on a oxygen concentrator that needs to operate 24/7/365. That ain’t cool, for me it’s critical. I bought a generator to keep my friges working, my internet and TV and my oxygen. I have a whole-house Generac being installed soon to eliminate that problem. It’s powered by reliable gas.

  8. Dana says:

    You know who has a Tesla? Representative Thomas Massie (R-KY 4th), the most libertarian member of Congress. He’s very much opposed to all of the mandates that the Democrats want to put in place, but exercised what he believes we all should have: the choice in what to buy.

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