Sunrise Movement Is Fighting To Bring The #GreenNewDeal To All Of America Or Something

The Sunrise Movement is “building an army of young people to stop climate change and create millions of good jobs in the process.” They say that “The political establishment is scrambling to keep up with thousands of people across the country who are eager to take action and bring the promise of the Green New Deal into reality.” And (via Twitchy)

You really have to watch the video in the tweet. It is hilarious.

On their webpage we learn “Sunrise joined Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Markey to launch the Green New Deal resolution with 64 co-sponsors (watch video here). There are now 103 congresspeople and counting co-sponsoring the resolution.) Which is all very interesting. Sunrise is going to demonstrate in a whole 8 cities with 100 townhalls, yet, um, if memory serves the Senate voted on the resolution as submitted by co-author Ed Markey and it was shot down 0-57, with 43 Democrats voting “present”, refusing to debate and vote on the record.

Further, the House, which is run be Democrats, is refusing to vote on the resolution, and there are zero reports of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez demanding a vote on it, nor does she say anything on her Twitter page about demanding a vote.

Oh, and how will they be traveling around?

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24 Responses to “Sunrise Movement Is Fighting To Bring The #GreenNewDeal To All Of America Or Something”

  1. Mangoldielocks says:

    They tell us that some children must breathe toxic air so that others can have electricity. That parents must choose between a dangerous and polluting job, and no job at all.

    My head is exploding. Once again these people are so angry and ill informed they are now lead to believe that co2 is TOXIC and POLLUTION. Once they make the switch that a very important ingredient necessary for all plant life to make food and oxygen is DANGEROUS AND TOXIC what are the limits to which these or any people can change the narrative to make anything OR ANYONE TOXIC, POLLUTION AND A DANGER to society?

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Semantics aside, the 40% increase in atmospheric CO2 (from fossil fuels) is causing the Earth to warm. On balance, this warming is and will continue to cause negative effects on human society.

      • Mangoldielocks says:

        the greatest expansion of species to ever propagate happened when CO2 was well over what we have now and the earth was WARM.

        What you continue to not understand Elwood is that the earth is in fact in the middle of an Ice age which as lasted for nearly 1 billion years. The times that the earth flourishes is when we go into intermittent Warm periods not covered in ice.

        The current warm period has lasted 12 thousand plus years, historically we are scheduled to head into an ice age any day, week, month, year, or century. A little warming by a necessary ingredient for life is hardly cause for concern. The alternative is too terrifying to contemplate.

        Move on to something that would actually help mankind not be so focused on the one thing that potentially might keep man alive for a few thousand more years, rather than simply allowing the ice to return and our planet to become a ball of ice again.

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          You’re correct to some extent. Actually I probably understand the geologic procession just as well as you. Yes, we are in an geologic ice age, and for the last million years of so the Earth has cycled through “glacial” and “interglacial” epochs. We’re currently in the interglacial Holocene epoch.

          There is no evidence, and no physical reason to expect the Holocene to end “any day, week, month, year or century”. The shifts between glacial and interglacial periods are not caused by magic but by changes in the physical causes, e.g., cyclic changes in the orbit/tilt of the Earth.

          It’s also true that the Earth is rapidly warming from the highest level of atmospheric CO2 in the last million years. The warming is disrupting human societies and it will get worse.

          • Jl says:

            Again, absolutely no proof if that, J. But that’s par for the course.

          • Jl says:

            We’ve been through this before, but what’s the significance of a 40% increase in CO2? It also increased 40% when it went from 100ppm to 140ppm. In fact, every time it increases 1ppm it’s a 40% increase from some prior amount. Armageddon? If all this is true, it’s the concentration that counts. Percent increase is irrelevant, which is no doubt why you keep posting it

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            And the concentration is now about 410 ppm, the highest in at least 1 million years, and is causing the Earth to warm.

            And the increase since preindustrial times is closer to 50%. 410/275 x 100

            If not already, the Earth will be warmer than at anytime in the Holocene (the past 12,000 years when human civilization evolved), with every reason to think it will continue to increase.

            What disruptions of human societies can one expect? Changing growing seasons, droughts, floods, uninhabitable regions, storms, pests and diseases migrating,
            Understand that human societies have largely evolved with the relative constancy of the Holocene climate.

            Megalopoli on coasts are recent. Cities of several million with necessary infrastructure (food, fresh water, heating/AC, shelter, sewage, protection etc) are recent. When millions can’t find the basics for survival, they’re likely to migrate to better environs. If farmers can’t farm because of extended drought, what are they to do?

            The planet will survive. Roaches, rats and starlings (unless West Nile does them in) will do OK. And the human species will survive, but human societies will have huge hurdles and disruptions – resource wars, migration wars, authoritarian regimes, plagues, famine – typical humanity, but on a grander scale. Future generations will not judge the climate change deniers kindly.

          • Jl says:

            Yes, and it also increased 40% when it went from 250ppm to 350 ppm. Nothing horrible happened. “What disruptions can one expect..?” We’ve been expecting for years yet not one thing can be tied solely to man’s increasing CO2

          • Jl says:

            “If farmers can’t farm from extended drought.. “. What extended drought? https://twitter.com/sylviad32911201/status/1116129558648872960?s=21

          • Jl says:

            “When millions can’t find the basics for survival..” Wherever do you get this crap? https://notrickszone.com/#sthash.IE61cT9s.FDbAiMYt.dpbs
            “If it’s not already the warmest part of the Holocene..” It’s not, as the MWP was as warm or warmer.

      • formwiz says:

        No, it’s not.

        All that CO2 is going into photosynthesis.

        Which ought to make you happy.

  2. Bill Bear says:

    “Once again these people are so angry and ill informed they are now lead to believe that co2 is TOXIC”

    Mangoldielocks is lying — again. No one has made that claim.

    Deliberately misinterpreting the words of another is one of the bad faith tactics of the far right. They are simply incapable of honest discussion on any topic.

    • Mangoldielocks says:

      No your lying BILL BEAR.

      I quoted where that exact thing was said.

      Sunrise Movement

      @sunrisemvmt
      · 18h

      Replying to @sunrisemvmt
      They tell us that some children must breathe toxic air so that others can have electricity. That parents must choose between a dangerous and polluting job, and no job at all.***

      You have no positions and your constant personal attacks have no effect on me. You are nobody with a keyboard. However I will continue to point out facts while you just sling mud. You are actually doing your side a disservice but then I suppose you could be paid by the RIGHT to make the left look like baffoons LOLOLOLOLOL….Doubtful but possible.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Mango,

        Your quote did not claim that CO2 was toxic. CO2 is not “air”. Coal burning adds hundreds of toxic chemicals to the air, including CO2.

        That said, CO2 IS toxic to individual humans at high enough concentrations, even lethal.

        Any substance can be a pollutant.

        When you are reduce to making semantic arguments, you’ve lost the argument.

        • formwiz says:

          We stopped burning coal on a heavy scale at least 50 years ago.

          And CO2 is used by the plants. You find a place where CO2 is found alone, you may have something.

          What, I can’t imagine.

      • Bill Bear says:

        “I quoted where that exact thing was said.”

        Mangoldielocks is lying — again.

        Nothing in the tweet he quoted states that CO2 is toxic.

        Lying is what wingnuts do.

        Lying is all they know.

        • Mangoldielocks says:

          The sunrise movement is in response to the Green New Deal.

          Sunrise Movement – Home | Facebook
          https://www.facebook.com/sunrisemvmt
          Sunrise Movement. 34K likes. Sunrise is a movement of young people uniting to stop the climate crisis. This dark hour in America cannot last. Welcome to… Sunrise is a movement of young people uniting to stop the climate crisis.

          From their website:

          WHO WE ARE
          Sunrise is a movement to stop climate change and create millions of good jobs in the process.
          We’re building an army of young people to make climate change an urgent priority across America, end the corrupting influence of fossil fuel executives on our politics, and elect leaders who stand up for the health and wellbeing of all people.

          We are ordinary young people who are scared about what the climate crisis means for the people and places we love. We are gathering in classrooms, living rooms, and worship halls across the country. Everyone has a role to play. Public opinion is already with us – if we unite by the millions we can turn this into political power and reclaim our democracy.

          We are not looking to the right or left. We look forward. Together, we will change this country and this world, sure as the sun rises each morning.

          DEFINITON OF CLIMATE CHANGE:

          cli·mate change
          [climate change]
          NOUN
          a change in global or regional climate patterns, in particular a change apparent from the mid to late 20th century onwards and attributed largely to the increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide produced by the use of fossil fuels.

          And:

          FROM NASA:

          Most scientists say that humans can change climate too. People drive cars. People heat and cool their houses. People cook food. All those things take energy. One way we get energy is by burning coal, oil and gas. Burning these things puts gases into the air. The gases cause the air to heat up. This can change the climate of a place. It also can change Earth’s climate.

          One does not need to be a rocket scientist to know who is lying and who is telling the truth. We all know that the AGW crowd wants to destroy Fossil Fuels with nothing to replace them because of Hysteria and agenda driven adults misleading them to act in foolish ways.

          Bill BEAR stop with obsessing over lying. You never discuss anything. You simply call every poster a liar over and over. Its becoming a yawner but will not squelch debate.

        • formwiz says:

          I thought hate was all we knew.

    • formwiz says:

      And here I thought quoting facts is one of the bad faith tactics of the far right because that’s what goldie is doing.

      That’s what liars do.

      Blah blah. Blah blah.

  3. Mangoldielocks says:

    Which is exactly what you are doing. Drinking too much water can kill you. Proven. We should ban water. Its a life giving substance. 4400 PPM was not a problem for the world. 600 is certainly not going to be a problem and in fact by the time we reach this fossil fuels will probably be non existent.

    It is pure insanity that the greenies want to end fossil fuels with nothing to replace them. Oh sure they want to build a billion windmills in WYOMING or Kansas but not in their backyards in NEW YORK or ILLINOIS or California. In fact California has built nearly a 1000 windmills in Wyoming and the electricity is then shipped back to CA at the cost of nearly 50 percent loss.

    So the left want to use solar and wind. Great.

    A new scientific study supported by the Dutch Ministry of Infrastructure warns that the renewable energy industry could be about to face a fundamental obstacle: shortages in the supply of rare metals.

    To meet greenhouse gas emission reduction targets under the Paris Agreement, renewable energy production has to scale up fast. This means that global production of several rare earth minerals used in solar panels and wind turbines—especially neodymium, terbium, indium, dysprosium, and praseodymium—must grow twelvefold by 2050.

    The green new deal wants to rid us of fossil fuels which is what is used by giant earth moving equiptment to dig up rare earths. Most of the rare earths are located IN CHINA.

    Awesome. The greenies have no thought out position. Only hysteria and a bunch of ill informed kids trolled by adults with an agenda.

    • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

      But it’s the New and Improved Green Deal dontcha know. Even better than the last one that didn’t pass.
      https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  4. formwiz says:

    And the concentration is now about 410 ppm, the highest in at least 1 million years, and is causing the Earth to warm.

    And the increase since preindustrial times is closer to 50%. 410/275 x 100

    If not already, the Earth will be warmer than at anytime in the Holocene (the past 12,000 years when human civilization evolved), with every reason to think it will continue to increase.

    What disruptions of human societies can one expect? Changing growing seasons, droughts, floods, uninhabitable regions, storms, pests and diseases migrating,
    Understand that human societies have largely evolved with the relative constancy of the Holocene climate.

    Megalopoli on coasts are recent. Cities of several million with necessary infrastructure (food, fresh water, heating/AC, shelter, sewage, protection etc) are recent. When millions can’t find the basics for survival, they’re likely to migrate to better environs. If farmers can’t farm because of extended drought, what are they to do?

    The planet will survive. Roaches, rats and starlings (unless West Nile does them in) will do OK. And the human species will survive, but human societies will have huge hurdles and disruptions – resource wars, migration wars, authoritarian regimes, plagues, famine – typical humanity, but on a grander scale. Future generations will not judge the climate change deniers kindly.

    And here Think Progress told us it hadn’t changed in 3 million years.

    Well, somebody on the Left isn’t being honest.

  5. formwiz says:

    Trying to engage this clown once you have laid out their lies is a waste of time.

    Hit ’em with the facts and then ridicule them.

    Remember what Uncle Saul said.

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