If All You See…

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  1. Bill Bear says:

    Watchdog and Advocacy Coalition Report Warns of Systemic Attacks on Science

    http://climatesciencewatch.org/2018/11/15/watchdog-and-advocacy-coalition-report-warns-of-systemic-attacks-on-science/

    November 15, 2018

    The Report Exposes Chronic Interference With Federal Science and Public Health and Safety Measures Under the Trump Administration and Makes Critical Recommendations to Congress

    A report released today by a coalition of prominent watchdog and advocacy groups – including Government Accountability Project – chronicles a litany of recent attacks on federal science and scientists by Trump administration officials intent on undermining the critical regulatory role government plays in safeguarding public health and safety. The report, “Protecting Science at Federal Agencies: How Congress Can Help,” arose out of mounting concerns that some of our elected officials are chronically crippling key science programs, and ignoring, suppressing, censoring, and distorting scientific information in order to weaken regulatory functions that serve to protect human health and the environment but disadvantage certain industry interests. Government Accountability Project was the lead contributor to the chapter on whistleblowing and scientific integrity, as well as a contributor to the chapter on reduced communications. The report concludes that widespread, politically-motivated interference in sound science causes unsound policy decisions, and Congress must act swiftly and decisively to reverse this dangerous trend to get the nation back on course.

    The new report walks through countless troubling examples of deliberate efforts by Trump administration agency heads and political appointees to dismantle federal science programs, discredit scientific data, disconnect scientific fact from decision-making, and destroy public trust in government. Many current high-level political appointees lack adequate experience and credentials for the positions they are assigned to manage and often bring with them serious conflicts of interest. Meanwhile, Congress has been lax, even negligent, in carrying out its oversight responsibilities. This must change.

    The watchdog and public interest groups who authored this report share a strong concern that we are witnessing an epidemic of intentional ignorance and scientific blind spots at the highest levels of government, at a time when all Americans face escalating threats to our health and well-being – such as a broken health care system and runaway climate change. Collectively we put forth a set of thoughtful recommendations for the incoming 116th Congress to consider that include specific legislative proposals as well as a call for greatly improved oversight to hold government officials accountable to the public they serve.

    The U.S. government invests well over $100 billion a year on scientific research and technology development, and federal agencies have traditionally relied heavily on scientific findings to support complex regulatory and policy decisions. Now, science itself is under attack: this administration is systematically dismantling a host of science advisory committees and hampering them from providing scientific information and guidance to federal regulatory program managers. Blatant disregard of fact-based evidence – even wholesale rejection of facts themselves – fostered by the Trump White House place all of us at greater risk by exposing us to toxic chemicals, polluting our air and water, eroding and blocking access to adequate health care, compromising national security, and raising the risk of exposure to dangerous climate change impacts.

    We are especially troubled by the enormous disparity between the alarm bells rung in the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, and the tepid U.S. response. As President Trump promotes a coal industry come-back and calls for fewer regulatory checks on rampant oil and gas extraction – thereby ramping up carbon emissions when we most need to be making significant cuts – we face the increasingly imminent threat of runaway climate change and its dangerous impacts. Global climate disruption is happening now, as evidenced by western-wildfires-turned-raging-infernos sweeping across California incinerating entire towns and communities; more hazardous hurricanes and unprecedented rainfall and flooding; storm surges and sea level rise inundating coastal areas. Our Environment, Energy, and Climate Change team members are increasingly troubled by the hundreds of regulatory rollbacks of environmental protection provisions across the federal government and the corruption in key agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Department of Interior (DOI), and the National Park Service (NPS). The EPA, FEMA, and NPS have all removed references to climate change on their respective websites. One EPA official has even taken it upon himself to weed out grant proposals with the words “climate change” from those eligible for funding.

    The federal healthcare arena is also highly problematic and demands better Congressional oversight. For example, employees at the Centers for Disease Control have been issued gag orders and were told not to correspond at all with the news media. Perhaps one of the most frightening examples of censorship under the Trump presidency is an attempt by the EPA and some White House staff to block publication of a draft toxicological profile examining health risks of human exposure to per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAs) – synthetic chemicals founded in everything from nonstick cookware to firefighting foam — because the report would be a “public relations nightmare.” These actions are in opposition to the core missions of these federal agencies.

    Chapter 5, “Whistleblowing and Scientific Integrity,” documents how assaults on science – particularly on scientists who seek to speak out about censorship, public health threats, environmental dangers, and wasteful spending – while not unique to this administration, have markedly escalated. In this chapter, Government Accountability Project profiles whistleblowers who have made important disclosures – for example, cover-ups about drinking water contamination in Flint, Michigan; the arbitrary transfer of a high-level DOI official outspoken on the adverse effects of climate change on Alaskan Native communities; the threat of nuclear plant failures caused by flooding; and the abuses of power and ethics conflicts of former EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. Courageous whistleblowers who serve the public interest by exposing wrongdoing in the workplace all too often suffer retaliation and reprisal, and too few are aware of their lawful whistleblower protection rights. In the chilled environment of the Trump administration, described at length in Chapter 4, “Reduced Communications from Scientific Agencies,” we urge Congress to do more to protect employees who exercise their rights to blow the whistle on serious misconduct.

    Greed and corruption will never be fully purged from agencies, because systemic forces encourage them, but history has shown that there will also always be whistleblowers – employees who raise concerns about abuses to protect the public interest. At Government Accountability Project, we protect whistleblowers in three key ways: litigation, education, and whistleblower protection legislation. When whistleblowers are retaliated against for bravely speaking the truth, we stand by them and fight for restitution and remedy. We also believe in responsible preparation and a well-informed federal workforce, and encourage all government workers to read and study our new guide, Speaking up for Science: A Guide to Whistleblowing for Federal Employees.

    In the report released today, we argue for three legislative reforms that would support whistleblowers: access to court with jury trials, protections from retaliatory investigations that become criminal prosecutions, and opportunities for interim relief. These expanded protections would give whistleblowers a fighting chance to survive their service of speaking up for science and the public good.

    The 116th Congress can take positive action by vigorously exercising its Constitutional power of investigation and oversight, holding federal officials accountable, vetting nominees more carefully and responsibly before confirming them, holding more frequent oversight hearings, and actively supporting legitimate whistleblowers.

    If you agree with these recommendations, now is the time to take action. Politicians listen to their constituents, and it is time to ask them for more oversight.

    Contributors to and supporters of the report include:

    Climate Science Legal Defense Fund
    Defenders of Wildlife
    Democracy Forward
    Environmental Integrity Project
    Environmental Protection Network
    Government Accountability Project
    Greenpeace
    Jacobs Institute of Women’s Health
    National Center for Health Research
    National Federation of Federal Employees
    National LGBTQ Task Force
    National Partnership for Women & Families
    National Women’s Health Network
    Power to Decide
    Project on Government Oversight
    Union of Concerned Scientists

      • JGlanton says:

        Massive Coalition Backs Trump’s Climate Science Committee

        A massive coalition of environmental organizations, activists, and think-tank leaders signed a letter to President Donald Trump supporting the proposed Presidential Commission on Climate Security (PCCS), as well as the work of Trump climate and national security adviser Dr. William Happer of Princeton University. The campaign, which comes amid fierce establishment resistance to re-examining government “climate science,” also backs an independent scientific review of the increasingly dubious claims made in federal climate reports. Analysts say this battle will be crucial in establishing the credibility of government climate science — or the lack thereof.

        The coalition letter, signed by almost 40 leading policy organizations and well over 100 prominent leaders, argues that an independent review of federal global-warming reports is “long overdue.” “Serious problems and shortcomings have been raised repeatedly in the past by highly-qualified scientists only to be ignored or dismissed by the federal agencies in charge of producing the reports,” the leaders and organizations explained. Indeed, in multiple cases, federal bureaucracies have even been accused of fraudulently manipulating data and findings to support their politically backed conclusions.

        “Among major issues that have been raised and that we hope the commission will scrutinize: the models used have assumed climate sensitivities to CO2 concentrations significantly higher than recent research warrants; the models used have predicted much more warming than has actually occurred; predictions of the negative impacts of global warming have been made based on implausible high-end emissions scenarios; the positive impacts of warming have been ignored or minimized; and surface temperature data sets have been manipulated to show more rapid warming than has actually occurred,” the signatories wrote.

        The highly unscientific nature of the claims — many of which cannot be tested or falsified — also casts doubt on the alarmist findings contained in widely ridiculed federal climate reports. “An underlying issue that we hope the commission will also address is the fact that so many of the scientific claims made in these reports and by many climate scientists are not falsifiable, that is, they cannot be tested by the scientific method,” explained the coalition letter to Trump supporting the PCCS, which brought together many of America’s most influential environmental and conservative-leaning public policy organizations.

        Perhaps the most alarming element of the whole saga is that this supposed “science” is serving as the pretext for trillions of dollars in government spending, as well as unprecedented empowerment of governments and international bureaucracies such as the United Nations and its various agencies. The man-made global-warming hypothesis also underpins drastic policy changes that restrict individual liberty and free markets that harm everyone, and especially the world’s poorest people, for nebulous alleged benefits. As such, the science must be thoroughly reviewed, and it must be completely transparent, the coalition said.

        “The conclusions and predictions made by these reports are the basis for proposed energy policies that could cost trillions of dollars in less than a decade and tens of trillions of dollars over several decades,” the letter explained. “Given the magnitude of the potential costs involved, we think that taking the insular processes of official, consensus science on trust, as has been the case for the past three decades, is negligent and imprudent. In contrast, major engineering projects are regularly subjected to the most rigorous and exhaustive adversarial review. We suggest that climate science requires at least the same level of scrutiny as the engineering employed in building a bridge or a new airplane.”

        As The New American reported earlier this month, the establishment is in full freak-out mode over the proposed presidential commission on climate science. Far-left Democrats in Congress have slammed the idea as “dangerous.” A coalition of globalist “national security” professionals, mostly from the far-left Obama administration, even claimed reviewing the science would be a threat to “national security.” The establishment media has gone absolutely bonkers, endlessly demonizing Trump and Happer for failing to genuflect before their climate beliefs — the faith of a “climate” movement that leading experts such as MIT meteorologist Richard Lindzen have even described as a “cult.”

        The letter highlighted how bizarre this was. “We note that defenders of the climate consensus have already mounted a public campaign against the proposed commission,” the signatories wrote. “We find this opposition curious. If the defenders are confident that the science contained in official reports is robust, then they should welcome a review that would finally put to rest the doubts that have been raised. On the other hand, their opposition could be taken as evidence that the scientific basis of the climate consensus is in fact highly suspect and cannot withstand critical review.”

        Indeed, as this magazine and many other sources have documented, the alleged “science” upon which the man-made global-warming hysteria is based is highly suspect at best. Self-styled “climate scientists” have been repeatedly exposed in unethical behavior, including hiding and manipulating data that contradicts their hypothesis. The predictions of the alarmist movement have been remarkably consistent, too — for decades, they have been wrong about virtually everything. And even former members of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have blown the whistle on massive fraud, only to be ignored or demonized by alarmists.

        The nasty and vitriolic attacks on skeptical scientists such as Dr. Happer are also highly suspicious. “We further note that opponents of the proposed commission have already stooped to making personal attacks on Dr. Happer,” the letter to Trump continued, praising the Princeton physics professor who is almost universally respected in the scientific community. “Many signers of this letter know Dr. Happer personally and all are familiar with his scientific career. We know him to be a man of high capabilities, high achievements, and the highest integrity.”

        Indeed, Happer is a leading expert in this field, and is widely respected scientist even among those who disagree with him. He also happens to disagree with the increasingly discredited hypothesis that man’s emissions of CO2 — a fraction of one percent of all the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere — control the climate. “CO2 will be good for the Earth,” Happer told The New American magazine at a 2016 climate conference in Phoenix, Arizona, that brought together leading scientists and experts in various fields to expose the lies and alarmism. He added it was “pretty clear that we’re not going to see dangerous climate change” as a result of human CO2 emissions.


        organizations involved include Heritage Action, FreedomWorks, American Energy Alliance, Citizens Against Government Waste, the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), Climate Depot, the 60 Plus Association, Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP), Institute for Energy Research, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, the International Climate Science Coalition, Eagle Forum, Americans for Limited Government, Energy and Environment Legal Institute, Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, American Commitment, Hispanic Leadership Fund, Conservative Action Project, CNP Action, American Lands Council, American Policy Center, the Institute for Liberty, Caesar Rodney Institute, Ethan Allen Institute, John Locke Foundation, Rio Grande Foundation, The Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Alliance for Wise Energy Decisions, Center for Industrial Progress, Clear Energy Alliance, and many more. Dozens of scientists and experts also signed in their individual capacities.

        https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/31791-massive-coalition-backs-trump-s-climate-science-committee

        • Bill Bear says:

          “organizations involved include Heritage Action, FreedomWorks, American Energy Alliance…”

          Ah.

          So a bunch of right-wing extremist mouthpieces think that it’s a good idea for a paid climate denier to produce a report denying climate change.

          What. A. Surprise.

          • StillAlive says:

            We love it. Obama single handedly cut funding for NASA. No more shuttle missions. The rocket system was scuttled. No one on your side had a cow over that. But if we shut down some of the AGW research because its a milk wagon your livid.

            Well Jeffery thats how it goes in DC. Only so much money to go around. Trump is back spending money on NASA and less on Climate Research. Dude their are 200 countries studying climate. Why does the USA have to spend a 100 billion a year instead of 50 billion?

            There are only a few countries involved with space exploration and 1000’s of discoveries and inventions have come from space. The only thing AGW has produced is hysteria. Get a life dude. Go play with your grandchildren.

          • david7134 says:

            Bill or jeff ,
            So any one with a different opinion on your climate religion should be burned at the stake. You have no idea what science is.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            dave or pups,

            You typed: should be burned at the stake

            Never, ever forget, that with conservatives it’s always projection.

            It’s Con Men always wanting to punish their political enemies by locking them up, beating them up, silencing them, taking away their rights…

            Do you agree with other commenters that those advocating a carbon tax should be prohibited from buying any fossil fuel-generated energy?

          • david7134 says:

            Jeff,
            That is a very stupid comment.

          • Jl says:

            As opposed to paying climate alarmists to produce a report supporting “climate change”?

          • formwiz says:

            Since he gives the money away, he really isn’t a paid denier.

            You, however, are.

      • formwiz says:

        And we should care why?

    • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

      What a joke. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

      • JGlanton says:

        Seriously. Leftists environmentalist activists pretending they are government accountability watchdogs. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

      • JGlanton says:

        Climate Science Legal Defense Fund is Scott “SuperMandia” Mandia. The “fund” is primarily about Mandia’s adoration of Dr. Michael Mann, and his desire that his public emails from the University of Virgina not be exposed to scrutiny by the State Attorney General of Virginia to determine if he used research funds properly or not.

    • david7134 says:

      Bill,
      Congrats, that is some of the best bullshit that I have seen in some time. I am happy to see that $100 billion is being paid out on science projects, we can use that to build the wall. I do hope that Trump gets rid of the EPA and other out dated worthless departments.

      Now you are going to say horrible things like I am antiscience and other junk. But I am a scientist and have conducted research and other endeavors and can assure you the the Feds in science is worthless or leads to things like focusing cholesterol and identifying it as an agent that causes disease when it does nothing. Winning MAGA.

    • Jl says:

      “Systematic attacks on science..”. Typical anti-intellectual ploy of begining an argument with the false premise that all the “science” is on one side, so anyone against that must be anti-science. Starting that way one doesn’t need any proof of their assertions-how convenient. Just a variation of the “when are you going to stop beating your wife?”

    • formwiz says:

      National LGBTQ Task Force

      I was not aware the National LGBTQ Task Force was a scientific body.

  2. Mangoldielocks says:

    Mueller, the former director of the FBI under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Bush and Obama HATE Trump.

    Muellers report was just delivered to the AG. Time for the spin to begin.

  3. Mangoldielocks says:

    Mueller submits long-awaited Russia probe report to Justice Dept.; no new indictments recommended https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

    • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

      Kinda funny they released the “report” on a Friday at the beginning of the NCAA tournament.
      Guess they figured since they had no incriminating evidence on the President maybe no one would notice. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

  4. StillAlive says:

    MSNBC was stunned. They were livid after all we had the goods on Trump. OMG some of his men were in the same dinner party as a RUSSIAN.

    “Maybe he missed the boat here,” Matthews said of Mueller. “Because we know about the Trump Tower meeting in June 2016, we know about the meeting at the cigar bar with Kilimnik [Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian political consultant]. My God, we know about all of those meetings with Kislyak [Sergey Kislyak, a Russian diplomat] at the Republican convention in Cleveland. All these dots we’re now to believe don’t connect.”

    Now we have the fact that its HRC’s turn. Anyone care to guess if she had any Russians hiding under the bed? In fact she had Ukrainians trying to scuttle Trump in favor of HRC so much so that the Ukrainian government is now launching an investigation after they realize Trumps not so bad and has been funneling them secret supplies for two years now. And openly and outwardly admissions my individuals that they did try to scuttle Trump for HRC in the 2016 election.

    Shit rolls down hill. I said in 2017 when the democrats were screaming for this that the only ones who end up swallowing is the Democrats. Well here ya go, get ready for another two years of HRC investigations and we get to watch the MSM and the Democrats implode.

    Even the left is proclaiming Trump wins in 2020 in a landslide because the left is a hot mess right now with no policy other than to kill off farting cows and every candidate’s message is ORANGE MAN BAD. Its no wonder the Mueller probe was a disaster for them.

  5. StillAlive says:

    Long story short. The Democrats have turned their backs on the upper Midwest and unions. They are trying to walk back the Green New Deal after the AFL-CIO came out opposed to it but the democrats have 90 in favor of the green new deal, 107 opposed and 30 something No comment in a recent finding.

    90 democrats represent a lot of support back home. Every candidate so far has endorsed the Green New deal that is running so far. Beto and AOC both have said publicly, and repeatedly we have 12 years and its too late.

    Too late for what? AOC says were all going to die. Beto can jump on a bar and is hoping he is the next coming of Obama/JFK with no policy and no issues other than a rehash of what all far lefties believe.

    The problem with endorsing the Green New Deal is they are on record as Destroying MI, WI, OH, PA by eliminating nearly all their jobs. Destroying the AFL-CIO. They are on record. The agree. As I have said before the GOP is a greater friend to Blacks, Hispanics and Labor Unions and the Middle class than the Dems ever hope to be.

    the only thing the Dems want is Social Justice, to curtail free speech and to destroy 25 million jobs and to give away free stuff we couldn’t afford if we wanted too. They have no message and no Barak Obama to deliver a corporatist message.

    And if things aren’t bad enough for them they are divided internally by Corporatist dems, SJW Dems, AGW Dems and Gen Z and Millenial Dems all with differing agendas and only the ever shrinking part of the party that actually cares about labor and jobs not guaranteed by the government.

    Stock up on popcorn its gonna be quite a ride the next two years with Jeb Bush and his group of 12 wanting to primary the president because he doesn’t play nice. Play nice in politics? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

  6. Bill Bear says:

    StillAlive wrote:

    “Obama single handedly cut funding for NASA. No more shuttle missions.”

    False.

    === BEGIN QUOTE ===

    It was Bush who laid the plans for the shuttle’s retirement. In 2004, Bush directed NASA to retire the shuttle in 2010 to coincide with the scheduled completion of the space station. It was part of Bush’s new plan for NASA that also called for the agency “to conduct the first manned mission no later than 2014,” with the goal of reaching the moon in 2020 and using it as a base for future trips to Mars.

    As the New York Times reported at the time, “there would be no American manned access to space between the shuttle’s retirement in 2010 and the launching of the exploration vehicle, envisioned for 2014.”

    === END QUOTE ===

    source: https://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/sununus-out-of-this-world-outsourcing-claim/

    StillAlive is lying.

    That’s what liars do.

    • StillAlive says:

      Well we know its Jeffery. I’m lying? All I said was Obama cut funding to NASA.

      To Wit:

      What are NASA’s Post-Shuttle Plans?

      The retirement of the space shuttles leaves the future of NASA’s human spaceflight program unclear.
      July 8, 2011
      Relying on the Russians to send U.S. astronauts to space is the first piece of NASA’s future plan. For many at the agency, this is a bitter pill to swallow. According to SpaceflightNow.com,

      In the near term, “we’re going to have a reverse brain drain,” [Michael Griffin, former NASA administrator and architect of the Bush administrations moon program], told CBS News. “It used to be that people came from other places and other industries to work in the space program because of what it meant and what it was. And as it goes away, we’re going to lose those people because talented folks go where there are tough problems. And that’s not going to be good for the country.”

      Now I could go on and on. This article was from MIT.

      But the most important aspect of this is that the shuttles were indeed set to cancel in 2011.

      Former astronauts, Neil Armstrong, John Glenn, and Jim Lovell, believe NASA should keep flying the shuttles—an agency without a backup system for getting into space and bringing astronauts home is a violation of one of NASA’s critical design criteria, these astronauts told the Associated Press. Armstrong and Lovell wrote a letter to the Obama administration saying an end to the shuttle program was a mistake.

      So why did Obama continue with plans to cancel the space shuttle program?

      The program was ordered cancled by Bush to build bigger, newer and better space craft to contiune to fly in space. HOWEVER Later they extended it to 2011. The idea was to use the money saved to build a newer and better space craft. NASA started a new program called constellation to build a capsule called CEV and rocket called Aries. Then president Obama ordered NASA cancel constellation and use private industry to supply Earth orbit flights.

      There might be liars here today but I am not one of them. thank you for playing Jeffy. Go play with your grandchildren I think your getting dimensia.

      • Bill Bear says:

        “I’m lying? All I said was Obama cut funding to NASA.”

        StillAlive is lying — again. What he said was:

        “Obama single handedly cut funding for NASA.”

        That is a lie. StillAlive says himself that “The program was ordered cancled by Bush”.

        Even when he knows the truth, StillAlive makes the deliberate choice to lie.

        That’s what liars do.

        • formwiz says:

          He also said it was later extended.

          Learn to read. It might help the paranoia.

        • StillAlive says:

          Stop with the communist propaganda. Bush ordered the Shuttle program shut down to save money to use it on making NEWER< BIGGER< BETTER SPACECRAFT AND TO KEEP A PRESENCE IN SPACE. OBAMA allowed the shuttle program to die as well as canceling the future of our space program with humans in space that did not DEPEND ON THE RUSSIANS to get us there. His funding then went heavily to nasa programs that were AGW related. The facts are the facts and the fact that a left wing newspaper claims otherwise is just comical. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL….The fact you claim they are telling the truth when everyone knows they are a paper with a radical left wing agenda is even more funny.

          You are a troll of immense proportions. I wonder why you are so obsessed with calling everyone here a liar when it is you who is here Trolling for emotional responses.

          • Bill Bear says:

            “Bush ordered the Shuttle program shut down”

            Correct.

            StillAlive has just contradicted his earlier statement that “Obama single handedly cut funding for NASA.”

            The problem with being a persistent liar is that it becomes increasingly difficult to keep one’s lies consistent with one another — as proven liar StillAlive just demonstrated.

          • Bill Bear says:

            “Stop with the communist propaganda.”

            Side note: The word “communist” does not mean “anything I don’t understand or agree with”.

    • formwiz says:

      Whiny the Poo is freaking out over Mule Ears.

      That’s what freaks do.

  7. Bill Bear says:

    david7134 wrote:

    “So any one with a different opinion on your climate religion should be burned at the stake.”

    Of course, I have expressed no such view.

    david7134 is lying.

    That’s what liars do.

  8. Bill Bear says:

    That’s amusing… to have an individual who lies with the same abandon as many five-year-olds tell someone else to “grow up”.

    david7134 is lying, and he knows he is lying. He simply lacks the moral center that he would need to stop lying.

    • david7134 says:

      Jeff, there can not be two people as stupid and I’ll as you.

      Grow up.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        dave,

        You’re the one talking about burning others at the stake.

        And the Cesspoolians are calling for jailing Comey, Mueller, the FBI, DOJ, Clinton etc for some reason. That’s what Stalin would do.

        formwiz plays the role of the stupid one. You, The Puppy and Kye are the White Supremacists, or the Sisters of the New Confederacy, or Daughters of the South.

        • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

          Love it when nignorant whines about others being nasty or unfair.
          Makes me chuckle. https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

        • david7134 says:

          Jeff,
          We know you are mentally ill, what dx has you shrink given you?

        • Kye says:

          I’m white, married to an Asian. Not quite the picture of a white supremacist. But don’t allow the truth to interfere with your commie narrative. Those “cesspoolians” as you call them believe Comey, Mueller, Clinton etc. are players in a seditious act of coup d’etat which would make calling for their “jailing” only temporary while awaiting their hanging.

          Of course we do that to push your buttons and it works every time. Every fuc*ing time! One would think you’d catch on by now but I guess you’re too dense. None of us expect any of these criminals to face justice. We know you guys don’t play by the same rules you hold others to. But that does not make them any less criminal conspirators in the attempted overthrow of the United States government.

          Here’s what we really think of you Democrat-Communists:
          https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-zCaOt7o9QLs%2FXJUr9mSM4_I%2FAAAAAAAByCE%2FjPzONlcw3DQt7PWUYQQXS7bsFyH5wEaYQCLcBGAs%2Fs640%2F90mimb_pmgfli0z0z1wxrkex_540.jpg&t=1553382072&ymreqid=d1981f21-fcf0-6f7c-2f4c-fa0008010000&sig=G7ekXxFrUtp5VivpQzu8xA–~C

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Kye,

            So you admit that if it were up to you you’d hang Mueller, Clinton, Comey etc. Trump agrees with you.

            Good to know.

        • formwiz says:

          Stupid is beating a dead horse. Your horse has already been carved up for dog food.

          If the whole thing was a fraud, and it was, and was used to spy on Trump, to conspire to overturn the will of the American people, then, yes, jailing Comey, Mueller, the FBI, DOJ, Clinton is very much the penalty.

          That’s what happens when nasty people break the law. Of course, it would leave the Democrat party in the hands of the children for the next generation.

          That’s what Stalin would do.

          Uncle Joe didn’t jail people. He starved them, shot them, worked them to death. Jail is for sissies like you.

          And, if I’m the stupid one, since I always kick your miserable ass, what does that make you?

        • formwiz says:

          When, exactly, did Trump say this? And Kye never said anything of the kind.

          Frankly, I believe if they are brought to book, the Choom Gang, the Ozark Mafia, and the rest of the Deep Staters would face lengthy prison sentences.

          You project yet again, your frustration must be beyond expression.

          Remember when everybody screamed when Sessions appointed a Special Persecutor? I said then this was a mind fake. That it would just bring all the rats out of their holes.

          I love it when a plan comes together.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            The Wiz typed: And Kye never said anything of the kind (that Comey et al should be hanged).

            but Kye typed: …Comey, Mueller, Clinton etc. are players in a seditious act of coup d’etat which would make calling for their “jailing” only temporary while awaiting their hanging.

            So The Wiz is once more proven to be a liar. You lie as steadily as Trump.

            So just, Ease on Down, Ease on Down the Road…https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_whistle3.gif

    • formwiz says:

      Well, only a child would insist everyone else is lying when the facts are against her, so grow up you should.

  9. formwiz says:

    When, exactly, did Trump say this? And Kye never said anything of the kind.

    Frankly, I believe if they are brought to book, the Choom Gang, the Ozark Mafia, and the rest of the Deep Staters would face lengthy prison sentences.

    You project yet again, your frustration must be beyond expression.

    Remember when everybody screamed when Sessions appointed a Special Persecutor? I said then this was a mind fake. That it would just bring all the rats out of their holes.

    I love it when a plan comes together.

  10. Kye says:

    Elwood, you’re a liar. What I typed was: “Those “cesspoolians” as you call them believe Comey, Mueller, Clinton etc. are players in a seditious act of coup d’etat which would make calling for their “jailing” only temporary while awaiting their hanging.”

    Thus I said “The cesspoolians” believed that, not I, and since hanging is the customary penalty for treason I was leading to the logical end. So, you lied about my exact words and my intent. Liar!

    How do you like trying to converse with someone who constantly calls you a liar, liar? Not cool is it, Liar? Until you guys stop I’m gonna call you liars in every post. So get used to it, liar.

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