Eight Questions For PayPal Regarding #HB2 Boycott

Apparently, it’s a day for lists of questions. Let’s jump into another

Here’s bit from the article

Mr. Schulman,

On Tuesday, you announced PayPal, where you are the president and CEO, was no longer going to open a new operations center in Charlotte, N.C.,  because “legislation has been abruptly enacted by the state of North Carolina that invalidates protections of the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender citizens and denies these members of our community equal rights under the law.”

I have a few questions for you about PayPal’s decision.

1 North Carolina’s new law would ensure that public multi-occupancy bathrooms—not bathrooms controlled by private companies or individuals, such as the PayPal bathrooms—correspond  to a person’s biological sex as listed on their birth certificates (which can be changed). Why does PayPal object to that? Does PayPal believe that providing LGBT Americans “equal rights under the law” requires allowing people who are biologically male to use women’s bathrooms?

7 You wrote in your statement that “the new law perpetuates discrimination.” Does PayPal intend to leave and/or not start company operations in states such as Oregon, where Aaron and Melissa Klein paid a $135,000 fine for not baking a cake for a same-sex couple, or New York, where Robert and Cynthia Gifford have been forced to change their wedding business because they won’t host same-sex weddings at their home? If not, why? What kinds of discrimination does PayPal oppose, and does it include discrimination that people of faith face in America?

Here’s another one: will PayPal pull out of Malaysia?

(Daily Caller) But PayPal’s values didn’t keep the company from opening and maintaining a global operations center in Malaysia, where homosexual acts are punishable by public lashings and jail sentences up to 20 years.

The same day that Schulman issued his statement, Malaysian student Hazim Ismail was granted asylum by Canada because he is gay and it would be too dangerous for him to return to his home country. Ismail testified that he faced persecution in the heavily-Muslim Malaysia because he had been publicly outed as a homosexual. So far, Schulman has remained silent on the persecution of homosexuals in Malaysia.

How about

That’s a question I’ve asked lots of companies, CEOs, and private citizens, such as Charles Barkley, Pepsi and their CEO Indra Nooyi, the NBA, NCAA, local media outlets, local businesses, and, except for one, the Fullstream Brewery in Durham, NC, none have answered. Perhaps that’s because, unlike Fullstream, none have policies allowing the gender confused to use the bathroom of their “gender identity”?

Let’s be clear, making your single stall bathrooms “gender neutral” is a cop out.

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20 Responses to “Eight Questions For PayPal Regarding #HB2 Boycott”

  1. gbear says:

    T have boycotted PP since they cut off Pam Gellers Atlas Shrugs.

  2. john says:

    Teach when will you begin to boycott all oil companies that get oil from Saudi Arabia ?

  3. The Neon Madman says:

    See! They have standards! In fact, they even have two sets of them, which must make them twice as good as us knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.

  4. Jeffery says:

    PayPal is just a stupid company, and NC is better off without those 400 jobs.

  5. Jeffery says:

    Teach: What was your birth gender? Is that actually your picture? Your sister perhaps?

    If you walk into a State-controlled restroom, how is anyone to know your birth gender? Are you gender confused?

    Do you carry your birth-certificate with you at all times?

  6. I remember back in the distant past, companies and governments didn’t need laws and policies to regulate who can use the bathrooms. There were occasional misunderstanding and even occasional intentional perversity, but overall, it wasn’t something that needed governors, legislators, Mayors, or CEOs to tell us little people which bathrooms to use.

  7. Jeffery says:

    Teach: What was your birth gender? It’s impossible to tell from your photo. How will you prove it to the guards at the State-controlled restroom?

  8. How cute, Jeff. This is what you guys do. You cannot provide a rational, adult argument, so, you go for personal smears, attempt to change the conversation. And, for all your PC speech loving, “hate” speech hating, LGBT supporting, you attempt to go with an LGBT smear. Pretty damned pathetic. Maybe I should just shoot your child in the leg. You cool with that? You obviously like to ramp things up and make them personal, so, is a leg shot OK? I promise to miss any arteries. You’ve got no problem going personal, right?

  9. jay says:

    >If you walk into a State-controlled restroom, how is anyone to know your birth gender?

    Do you really think this is that hard? Men have not been allowed to use a women’s bathroom since as long as I can remember, and I’m an old man.

    No, I don’t suppose guards will be posted at the door checking everyone’s birth certificate. We have laws against stealing, but that doesn’t mean that you are required to carry receipts for everything you have ever bought and police are stationed on every street corner to check if you have proper receipts. In real life, the authorities do not do anything to enforce most laws until someone complains.

  10. Notice too that neither John nor Jeff will even consider the actual question asked, why will PayPal have an office in a place that actually goes after gays.

  11. jay says:

    “I remember back in the distant past, companies and governments didn’t need laws and policies to regulate who can use the bathrooms.”

    Umm, yes. It only became an issue because of a couple of court rulings and local laws mandating that people be allowed to use whatever bathroom they wanted. The issue isn’t that the government came rushing in to stop private citizens from letting men use the women’s bathroom. It’s that government came rushing in to force them to do it, so now others are trying to get higher levels of government to block it.

  12. Jeffery says:

    Teach: No, I’m asking a legitimate question to make a point. You have a gender-bender look about you and it’s hard to tell if you might be a male-to-female or a female-to-male transexual.

    If you were at a State U b-ball game and went to the loo, would you be embarrassed or upset if the a security guard stopped you heading into the restroom and asked you to prove your “true” gender?

    Wow. Threatening to shoot my family? Is that in the right-wing blogger code?

    You do have my full name and know where I live. So I guess I have to take your unhinged threat seriously.

    Listen, gurlfriend, your entire schtick is personal attacks and lies, so spare us the lectures.

  13. Jeffery says:

    Teach typed:

    Maybe I should just shoot your child in the leg. You cool with that? You obviously like to ramp things up and make them personal, so, is a leg shot OK? I promise to miss any arteries.

  14. Jeffery says:

    jay,

    And you know what? Intersex folk went to the bathrooms back then too and it was no big deal. Now, right-wing legislators in the old Confederacy have decided to solve a problem that doesn’t exist, just to make a point.

  15. Jeffery says:

    Teach: So here’s the point. I questioned whether you might be gender confused and you became so upset you threatened to shoot my family.

    Now, once you calm down, think how other intersex people feel when their gender is questioned. Have you no empathy left? Is your soul nothing but hate?

  16. Dana says:

    Man caught undressing in front of girls at Green Lake locker room
    By Jason Rantz, KIRO Radio Host | February 17, 2016 @ 1:54 pm

    Seattle Parks and Recreation has confirmed an adult male inappropriately used a female locker room at Evans Pool in Green Lake while a youth swim team used the facilities on Feb. 8

    Was the individual a male inappropriately using the facilities or a transgender female well within her rights?

    “This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was ‘identifying’ as a woman,” Seattle Parks and Recreation Communications Manager David Takami told me via email. “We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity.”

    At around 5:30 p.m. on Feb. 8, an adult went into the locker room to change. Takami says that at “no time did he verbally ‘identify’ as female,” nor did he request to be treated as transgender.

    At the time, a local youth swim team was using the facilities. Young girls and some of their parents “became alarmed” that the male was changing in the female locker room and alerted the front desk staff. Staff members then “asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room.”

    He did not accept the offer.

    After his swim, he “again entered the women’s locker room to change.” Front desk staff once again asked him to leave “and he eventually did.”

    Perhaps complicating matters, a witness who contacted KIRO Radio indicated this male was wearing men’s clothing as he entered the locker room.

    Takami maintains that the parks department wants everyone to feel comfortable. But if this individual was, in fact, transgender, was this situation handled correctly? And is it appropriate to call the individual a male?

    If this isn’t a “transgender issue” why didn’t staffers call the police? Critics of the failed transgender bathroom bill indicate there are already rules to punish people who break the law.

    According to the law: “If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person’s gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.”

    Related: New transgender rule gives gym owner ‘no protection from the law’

    But Takami says everyone involved (the patrons complaining and the male individual) were offered a separate accommodation.

    The law further states: “Any action taken against a person who is using a restroom or other gender-segregated facility, such as removing a person, should be taken due to that person’s actions or behavior while in the facility, and must be unrelated to gender expression or gender identity.”

    There is no indication that this individual did anything inappropriate, if the person identifies as transgender. But Seattle Parks and Recreation did not believe he was transgender. So why didn’t they call the police?

    “That was an option, but staff try to deal with issues immediately, and try not to call police as the first option,” Takami said.

    This incident raises questions that go to the heart of the issue and controversy over gender-neutral bathroom protections. We’re told that the concern that a male using a female locker room is overblown and rarely happens. If you were to look into this incident, because police weren’t called, there’s no paper trail that the average person could discover indicating this issue happened. The only reason we’re aware of the incident is due to a KIRO Radio listener who spoke up. So it’s problematic for activists to claim these incidents don’t happen if police aren’t always being called.

    Yet another concern is whether or not this was done by an activist to make a political point.

    “In following guidelines laid out by the Washington Human Right Commission, the person did not exhibit a gender presentation or gender identity consistent with gender of the locker room as was asked to leave that locker room,” said Gunner Scott, transgender advocate and former LGBT Commission for the City of Seattle. “A concern I have is if this was a setup by opponents of LGBT equality to try to exploit the recent debate of basic rights of transgender youth, adults and families, as that tactic has been used by these opponents in different states.”

    It’s a valid concern and one I fear will happen just to make a point. But that’s another reason parks and recreation failed by not calling the police to report the lawbreaker.

    Here is Takami’s full statement to the Jason Rantz Show:

    On Monday, Feb. 8, around 5:30 p.m., an individual, a young adult, came into the pool lobby, paid the fee for lap swim, and went into the woman’s locker room to change. At no time did he verbally “identify” as female. Staff didn’t see which locker room he entered as it was a busy time of day with a lot of swimmers coming and going. Previous to lap swim time at the pool was a local youth swim team practice. After lap swim was another children’s swim time.

    Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff. In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women’s locker room and asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room. Other patrons were also offered the alternative of the family changing room. He eventually left the women’s locker room. After the lap swim, he again entered the women’s locker room to change. Front desk staff again asked him to leave and he eventually did.

    This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was “identifying” as a woman. We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities.

    When Mr Takami said, “We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities,” he was saying nonsense: you can’t have both policies which “allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity,” and have everyone feel comfortable in their facilities.

  17. Dana says:

    Jeffrey shows his scientific ignorance:

    Teach: What was your birth gender? Is that actually your picture? Your sister perhaps?

    If you walk into a State-controlled restroom, how is anyone to know your birth gender? Are you gender confused?

    Do you carry your birth-certificate with you at all times?

    His biological sex when he was born was male. Gender is a term misappropriated from linguistics, now being used to indicate what sex someone believes himself to be, as opposed to what his biological sex is. And while I don’t know about our esteemed host, I carry my driver’s license with me, and it indicates that I am male.

    Not that anyone would need to check: I’m very obviously male in appearance. Of course, it’s a common tactic of the left to question even the obvious, and try to make minute points, even ridiculous ones, to disrupt the flow of an argument. Cats and rats and elephants can all tell one sex from the other within their species — and at least with cats, they seem to be able to distinguish the sex of humans as well, often reacting differently to men and women — but somehow, some way, American liberals cannot.

  18. Dana says:

    “Jazz Jennings,” a mentally disturbed boy who thinks that he’s a girl, and whose parents have allowed him to dress and behave as a girl for years, laments that she he likes boys, but that none of the boys in her his high school will date her him or even talk to her him, sometimes referring to her him as “it.”

    Why not? Well, it’s pretty simple: the guys in her his school are normal heterosexual males, and they are interested in dating girls, not guys, and even at the oh-so-malleable ages of the teen years, none of them don’t recognize that “Jazz” is not a girl! While some adults have managed to lose so much common sense that they can no longer tell males and females apart, teenagers have not.

  19. Jeffery says:

    Dana,

    And you are quite obviously a mentally disturbed individual.

    Heaven forbid that someone such as you or Teach had children, what would your response be if your own child was intersex?

    Teach would shoot them. But what would you do?

  20. Jeffery says:

    Dana (It) claimed:

    I’m very obviously male in appearance.

    So? Ms. Jennings is very obviously female in appearance.

    What proof do you have of your maleness? Your name? Hardly. For all anyone knows you are externally male but may have ovaries. Have you ever had that checked out?

    Now It claims to have some sixth sense like dogs and cats for sniffing out gender. Good for you. Can you tell Ms. Jennings’ gender from her photo or would you need to examine her more closely? Do you know anything about her genetics, her hormones, her mother’s hormones while Ms. Jennings was in utero?

    Tell us, It: Why does someone like Ms. Jennings mentally disturb you so much?

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