Santa Monica Institutes Mask Snitching

This should start proliferating across liberal cities

Meanwhile

New Vaccine Science Shows Mandates Are Unwise

New scientific findings in the prestigious Lancet Infectious Diseases journal blow a hole in the argument that workers need to get vaccinated to protect those around them. The findings prove the foolishness of forcing police and other public employees to get jabbed or lose their pay. And President Joe Biden should retract his order to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to compel large employers to mandate vaccines.

The journal reported Thursday that COVID-19 vaccines have “minimal” impact on preventing transmission of the delta strain. Delta is the COVID strain currently causing over 99% of U.S. cases.

Vaccines protect the people getting the shots from serious illness, but they don’t stop the delta variant from spreading to others.

Don’t get me wrong. Americans should choose to get vaccinated. The key word is “choose.” Though shots are no guarantee against getting infected and spreading it to others, they provide significant protection (90% or more) against hospitalization and death. I’m triple jabbed.

Me too.

Most vaccines — against polio, smallpox, measles and other diseases — prevent infection and spread. But not COVID-19 vaccines. Now that the battle is against the delta variant, they’ve become disease-tamers rather than infection preventers.

I’m good with protecting myself, hopefully, from getting very sick. If other people do not want to, That’s Not My Problem.

Maine Gov. Janet Mills says, “just as vaccination defeated smallpox and vaccination defeated polio, vaccination is the way to defeat COVID-19.” Sorry, Governor, but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Just as politicians don’t read the bills before voting on them, they don’t keep up with science but still want to tell the rest of us what to do.

The groundbreaking findings in Lancet show that fully vaccinated people who came down with COVID infected others in their household at the same rate (about 25%) as unvaccinated people did (about 23%). The vaccinated had just as much viral load in their upper respiratory tract, making them just as contagious. “Our findings show that vaccination alone is not enough to prevent people from being infected with the delta variant and spreading it,” study co-author Ajit Lalvani said.

Don’t want the vaccine, want to take the chance? That’s your decision. I think it’s a bad decision, but, I’m not here to run your life, just mine.

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36 Responses to “Santa Monica Institutes Mask Snitching”

  1. samoore says:

    “Most vaccines — against polio, smallpox, measles and other diseases — prevent infection and spread. But not COVID-19 vaccines.”

    Which means that they are not vaccines, as I have been saying for a year.
    If they don’t prevent infection, they aren’t vaccines.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      vaccine: noun
      vac·?cine | \ vak-?s?n , ?vak-?s?n \
      Definition of vaccine
      1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease

      from Lancet Infectious Disease:

      This study confirms that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and also accelerates viral clearance in the context of the delta variant. However, this study unfortunately also highlights that the vaccine effect on reducing transmission is minimal in the context of delta variant circulation. These findings have immediate public health implications. Higher vaccination coverage rates need to be achieved because indirect protection from vaccinated to unvaccinated people remains suboptimal. The question of whether booster doses will improve the impact on transmission should be addressed as a top priority.

      Research efforts should be directed towards enhancing existing vaccines or developing new vaccines that also protect against asymptomatic infections and onward transmission.
      Until we have such vaccines, public health and social measures will still need to be tailored towards mitigating community and household transmission in order to keep the pandemic at bay.

      • Dana says:

        In other words, the study confirms that the current vaccines might help, but they are far from perfect protection, but you think the very imperfect should be mandated anyway.

  2. Professor hale says:

    Same Santa Monica that made charging ATM fees illegal. Then, as if by magic, all the ATMS in the city were shut off. No one on Santa Monica city counsel saw that coming.

    The way to stop this foolishness is to report every business, several times a day.

  3. MrToad says:

    Give them what they want. Report “EVERY” violation. It’s not like they’re going to “get” a bunch of republicans in Santa Monica, even on a good day. It’ll be a bunch of democrats snitching on other democrats and Santa Monica City Hall gets to deal with it. Eventually, someone will snitch on the wrong democrat and this order will go the way of the DoDo.

  4. Zachriel says:

    The journal reported Thursday that COVID-19 vaccines have “minimal” impact on preventing transmission of the delta strain. Delta is the COVID strain currently causing over 99% of U.S. cases.

    The study shows that secondary attack rates in household contacts for “the delta variant was 25% in vaccinated and 38% in unvaccinated contacts”. However, those who are infected are just about as likely to transmit infection whether they are vaccinated or not. The article concludes “Higher vaccination coverage rates need to be achieved because indirect protection from vaccinated to unvaccinated people remains suboptimal.”

    samoore: Which means that they are not vaccines, as I have been saying for a year.

    Two shots of the polio vaccine only provides about 90% protection.

    • CarolAnn says:

      From the CDC website:

      Thanks to the polio vaccine, dedicated health care professionals, and parents who vaccinate their children on schedule, polio has been eliminated in this country for more than 30 years. This means that there is no year-round transmission of poliovirus in the United States.

      Since 1979, no cases of polio have originated in the U.S.
      However, the virus has been brought into the country by travelers with polio. The last time this happened was in 1993.
      It takes only one traveler with polio to bring the disease into the United States. People most at risk are:

      Those who never had polio vaccine.
      Those who never received all the recommended vaccine doses.
      Those traveling to areas that could put them at risk for getting polio.
      The best way to keep the United States polio-free is to maintain high immunity (protection) against polio in the population through vaccination.

      Ideally, your child should receive a dose at ages:

      2 months,
      4 months,
      6 through 18 months, and
      then a booster dose at age 4 through 6 years.
      Inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) may sometimes be given in the same shot with other vaccines (in other words, in a combination vaccine), so discuss this option with your child’s doctor. Getting the recommended doses of polio vaccine is an important part of keeping the United States polio-free.

      • Zachriel says:

        CarolAnn: Ideally, your child should receive a dose at ages: 2 months, 4 months, 6 through 18 months, and then a booster dose at age 4 through 6 years.

        That’s right. It takes three shots AND a booster to achieve 99% immunity. That supports the original point that two shots do not provide perfect protection. But every shot is considered a “vaccine,” contrary to the claim above.

  5. Dana says:

    Wenn Sie unterwegs sind und feststellen, dass ein Unternehmen nicht sicherstellt, dass seine Kunden das Maskenmandat einhalten, können Sie 3-1-1 anrufen und es wird einem unserer Gesundheitsbotschafter einen Geschäftscheck schicken.

    It sounds so much better in the original German.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      The hyperventilating mr dana directly compares reporting business violators to the torture and murder of millions of Jews, Poles, Roma, Blacks, Catholics and gays by Adolf Hitler.

      • david7134 says:

        Jeff
        Dumbass, totalitarian government starts with little bites. Do you read?

        • Elwood P. Dowd says:

          dookie dook,

          William Teach is a dumbass, as are you. But America is fortunate to have anti-totalitarians such as you, mr teach and mr dana protecting American equality and our democracy. Do you believe that tRump would have been justified in using the US military to correct the stolen election?

          Will you now oppose mandatory measles, whooping cough, diphtheria and tetanus immunizations for school children? What are the chances that America will sacrifice children on the right-wing altar?

          • drowningpuppies says:

            More Trump “whataboutism” from Rimjob, dipshit that he is.
            It’s the “voices”, right? https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_yahoo.gif

            #LetsGoBrandon
            #FJB
            Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

          • Dana says:

            The distinguished Mr Dowd wrote:

            But America is fortunate to have anti-totalitarians such as you, mr teach and mr dana protecting American equality and our democracy.

            Yes, America certainly is lucky, because the left, which not that long ago advocated a far greater individual liberty, are now wholly in to forcing people to have a substance they do not wish injected into their bodies, injected into their bodies. Mr Teach and I have but small voices, but there are millions more, just like us, and together, we raise a crescendo!

            Terry McAuliffe and Glenn Youngkin “battle(d) over Covid-19 vaccine mandates in Virginia governor’s debate,” and a majority of Virginia’s voters chose Mr Youngkin. 71% of Virginians have chosen to get vaccinated, but Mr McAuliffe sure didn’t get 71% of the vote.

            Amazing how the left, who have cried for so long that a woman’s body is her own, and no one should be able to tell her what to do with it, even if what she wants to do is to kill another human being, are all about telling every man, woman and child what to do with their bodies! If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have no standards at all.

          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Amazing how the right, who have cried for so long that a woman’s body isn’t her own, and that they should be able to violently force her to do what they want, even if what she wants to do is to save her own life/health, suddenly have bfind vaccinations the equivalent of Nazi atrocities! If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have no standards at all.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Rimjob: Amazing how the right, …bullshit, bullshit… stupid blah blah…

            Are the voices telling you this?

            #LGBFJB
            Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  6. Hairy says:

    Switchers = whilstblowers??

  7. CarolAnn says:

    I can see this will go nowhere. Much like the vaccine for influenza, which is recommended each year. It’s still a vaccine, even if it doesn’t offer perfect protection, even if it has waning efficacy. No, it’s a shot. Vaccines are/were designed to have almost perfect protection against the disease. No medicine is perfect so loose the term when discussing such. This Covid-19 shot is at best a prophylaxis against the new flu. You and those like you make the flu out to be more than it is and the shot being some wonder drug like the Polio Vaccine is. They are not.

    Let me point out there are exemptions to the Biden mandate. Would anyone be granted an exemption if rather than a flu this was the Black Death? As the numbers trickle in and we are quietly informed that as many as 90% of the supposed Covid deaths were in fact caused by the comorbidities and other factors as well as out and out cheating the true horror of what our government did to us, our children, our military and our future will be erased by the compliant media.

    Both my husband and I were vaccinated and both my husband and I ultimately got the Covid-19 flu. Our children who are not vaccinated did not get the flu. I will not under any circumstances allow either of my children to be given this shot the long term effects of which on children having not been tested. They are not using my kids as lab rats.

    • Zachriel says:

      CarolAnn: No, it’s a shot.

      It’s a vaccine because it exposes the immune system to a virus or its components, priming the immune system for potential infection.

      Jonas Salk, you know, the guy who developed the polio vaccine, also developed the first influenza vaccine. In 1944, he published “Protective Effect of Vaccination Against Induced Influenza Virus A”. Do you think maybe he knows what constitutes a vaccine? Or are you just arguing semantics (erroneously)?

      CarolAnn: This Covid-19 shot is at best a prophylaxis against the new flu.

      COVID is not an influenza virus, but a coronavirus. Vaccines, including vaccines for polio and COVID-19, are nearly all used prophylactically.

      CarolAnn: As the numbers trickle in and we are quietly informed that as many as 90% of the supposed Covid deaths were in fact caused by the comorbidities and other factors

      Statistics of excess deaths supports the COVID death count, not just in the U.S., but when examined by state or county; or in other countries and regions. It’s also supported by reports from hospitals and morgues.
      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/figures/mm6942e2-F1.gif

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      CarolAnn: Let me point out there are exemptions to the Biden mandate. Would anyone be granted an exemption if rather than a flu this was the Black Death?

      The Black Death (bubonic plague) has a 13% death rate in treated cases and a 50%-60% death rate if left untreated. The Plague killed some 200 million humans during the middle ages.

      Covid infections result in a lower mortality rate than the bubonic plague, yet over 700,000 Americans have died from Covid.

      Good for you and your family that you and your husband didn’t end up in the hospital. Most of those hospitalized are unvaccinated. In addition, although the vaccines reduce transmission they are are not bulletproof, and may have helped keep your children safe.

      Do you regret getting vaccinated?

    • drowningpuppies says:

      CarolAnn: I can see this will go nowhere.
      Yep. It’s useless to try having an honest conversation the KiddieZ (Zach) or Rimjob (Elwood).
      Stop wasting your time.

      #LetsGoBrandon
      #FJB
      Bwaha! Lolgf https://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-content/plugins/wp-monalisa/icons/wpml_cool.gif

  8. CarolAnn says:

    Both my husband and I required hospitalization for Covid. I (35years old) was in for three days and my husband (39 years old) was in for 5 days 2 in ICU. We live in New Jersey where the fear runs deep so everybody wears masks even the vaxxed. Except us. the Covid shots no more helped keep our children safe than did fences around our home. Nobody is “kept safe”. You know as well as I people wearing masks get Covid, people not wearing masks get Covid. Same goes for the shots. Creating a nation wide terror and ruining peoples lives, businesses, jobs and mental health will prove to be the real pandemic. It will last a generation.

    Yes, we do regret getting the Covid shots because we know we are not protected from Covid as promised but we don’t know if we’ve been infected with something far worse that will materialize in the future. Plus, why would any sane person get a shot of medicine that is immune from law suits and prosecution in the future not knowing the ultimate ramifications?

    So far the only protection from the Covid shots are for the big drug companies who cannot be sued. But we can still get Covid, die from Covid and spread Covid. So what good is the shot?

    • Zachriel says:

      CarolAnn: So what good is the shot?

      COVID vaccination reduces the chance of infection, hospitalization, and death. By reducing the chance of infection, it also reduces transmission, and so helps protect your community. However, protection is far from perfect. From your experience, we can see that even the younger people can be at risk.

      It’s like seatbelts. Even with seatbelts, some people are hurt or killed in accidents. But seatbelts still offer significant protection.

      • david7134 says:

        Z,
        You are a high school kid. You don’t know shit. You have looked up some information on the internet. You have no business discussing medical matters with anyone.

        • Zachriel says:

          david7134: You have looked up some information on the internet.

          Turns out that the CDC and other credible sources of medical information now publish on the Internet. If you have a substantive argument, let us know.

  9. Dana says:

    Kentuckians sure don’t like mask mandates!

    That’s the sign on the door to the Hemlock Lodge, the main visitor center, restaurant and motel at Natural Bridge State Park, which my wife, younger daughter and I visited this afternoon. While all of the employees were wearing face diapers, the signs were honored mostly in the breach by the (relatively few) visitors in the building. Photo taken by me.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Thank you for your cooperation!

      • Dana says:

        Oh, we didn’t cooperate. Mrs Pico probably would have, but she didn’t have a mask with her. We took the skylift to the top, but hiked down the Balanced Rock Trail, and that winds up about a mile away from the parking lot to the skylift.

        View from Natural Bridge on October 24th.

        Same view, November 7th.

      • Dana says:

        Our idiotic Governor forced the closure of the restaurant at Hemlock Lodge, in March of 2020, and almost all of the workers were laid off. It seems the food service isn’t exactly a ‘work from home’ job.

        Here it is, twenty months later, and the restaurant is open for carry out only. Good thing we only had to tough things out for two weeks, to flatten the curve, right?

        • Dana says:

          Of course, Natural Bridge State Park is located in Powell and Wolfe counties along the Middle Fork of the Red River, adjacent to the Red River Gorge Geologic Area and surrounded by the Daniel Boone National Forest. Powell and Wolfe counties are among the poorer counties in eastern Kentucky, counties where other jobs are few and far between, so it’s not as though the people canned at the State Park have a lot of other opportunities to find work.

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