ACLU: COVID Mandates Actually Increase Civil Liberties Or Something

They might have a case if the COVID vaccines were at least over 90% effective. We don’t mandate flu shots, right? They are typically about 60% effective. But, this is the ACLU, who find defending civil liberties a subjective thing

We Work at the A.C.L.U. Here’s What We Think About Vaccine Mandates.

Do vaccine mandates violate civil liberties? Some who have refused vaccination claim as much.

We disagree.

At the A.C.L.U., we are not shy about defending civil liberties, even when they are very unpopular. But we see no civil liberties problem with requiring Covid-19 vaccines in most circumstances.

While the permissibility of requiring vaccines for particular diseases depends on several factors, when it comes to Covid-19, all considerations point in the same direction. The disease is highly transmissible, serious and often lethal; the vaccines are safe and effective; and crucially there is no equally effective alternative available to protect public health.

In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated and communities of color hit hard by the disease.

So, then the people who want them should get them, and the people who don’t should be left to deal with the consequences of their own actions. A vaccine is meant to protect the person: if someone else doesn’t get it that matters little to affecting me.

Vaccine requirements also safeguard those whose work involves regular exposure to the public, like teachers, doctors and nurses, bus drivers and grocery store employees. And by inoculating people from the disease’s worst effects, the vaccines offer the promise of restoring to all of us our most basic liberties, eventually allowing us to return safely to life as we knew it, in schools and at houses of worship and political meetings, not to mention at restaurants, bars, and gatherings with family and friends.

That’s a pretty big stretch in deeming that Government should force people to get a vaccine that has shown that it cannot fully stop a person from getting COVID. Especially since Government seems to be searching for reasons to continue slapping on restrictions. Where was the ACLU when government was going crazy, some more than others, last year, particularly during lockdown? Where is the ACLU when Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and so many others were, and still are, blowing off their own masking mandates? And, yes, this is the ACLU saying this. The two ACLU employees, David Cole and Daniel Mach, certainly didn’t write this for the NY Times without corporate approval.

The real threat to civil liberties comes from states banning vaccine and mask mandates. Even though most Covid-19 vaccine mandates do not infringe civil liberties, several states, including Florida, Iowa, South Carolina and Texas, have banned vaccine mandates or mask mandates — and sometimes both — in the name of freedom. But these bans directly endanger the public health and make more deaths from the disease inevitable. They trample the rights of the most vulnerable, who want to participate in society without putting their health at grave risk.

We care deeply about civil liberties and civil rights for all — which is precisely why we support vaccine mandates.

We care about civil liberties so we want Government to force everyone to take a vaccine that hasn’t been studied for years. And, yes, I am pro-vaccine. I will take a booster if I can. Whether you want one is your business.

(USA Today) The concept of what “full vaccination” means – two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one of the Johnson & Johnson shot – is likely to change.

That’s the estimation of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who on Thursday presented data supporting booster shots during a briefing of the White House COVID-19 response team.

Asked whether another dose will be required, Fauci said the decision will be up to the Food and Drug Administration, but added, “I would not at all be surprised that the adequate full regimen for vaccination will likely be three doses.’’

They don’t even know the effectiveness to the point they think 3 doses will be required, and, heck, perhaps even every 6 months, yet, the ACLU wants to mandate this for all.

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9 Responses to “ACLU: COVID Mandates Actually Increase Civil Liberties Or Something”

  1. drowningpuppies says:

    By now everyone, even the CDC knows that the vaccine no longer works yet they continue to push it because “science” and power.

    But mostly power.

    Bwaha! Lolgf

  2. Hairy says:

    “They are typically about 60% effective”
    That is misleading
    They may prevent 60% but tge efficacy is much higher in preventing death or severe illness
    Your mileage may vary

  3. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    The ACLU wins this round. Teach ignores the communicable part of communicable diseases. Teach ignores that children are not yet able to be immunized. Teach ignores that children are being hospitalized in record numbers.

    • Dana says:

      With 5,435 new cases of COVID reported in August, Fayette County has roughly 330 sick enough to be hospitalized, 6.07%. That works out to 0.102% of the population. The Health Department is reporting a 29.3% ‘breakthrough’ infection rate, and, removing those ineligible to be vaccinated yet, the breakthrough rate is one out of three.

      There is no justification for violating the individual rights of the public for such small numbers.

  4. The population of Fayette County, Kentucky’s second largest, is 323,200 people. Of those, 189,750 are fully vaccinated. For the month of August, there were 5,435 new COVID cases. Doing the math — and yes, I know, math is raaaaacist! — that means that 1.68% of the population tested positive for COVID-19, not exactly a high number for what is apparently the most contagious disease since the bubonic plague.

    Of those 5,435 cases, 14 people have gone to their eternal rewards, a mortality rate of 0.26% of those infected, and 0.0000434% of the total population. That hardly seems like such a huge crisis that vaccines should be made mandatory.

    But there’s more: in August 29.3% of the total cases were ‘breakthrough’ cases, in which the fully vaccinated were infected. Doing a little more math, and removing those from 0 through 11, who were ineligible to receive the vaccines, the ‘breakthrough’ rate is roughly 33.37%.

    We know that vaccines tend to make the effects of COVID-19 milder, but it is clear that being vaccinated does not prevent you from contracting the virus, nor does it prevent you from spreading the virus.

    Numbers like that simply do not justify a violation of our civil liberties.

    Of course, the ACLU is joining the chorus of ‘my body, my choice,’ when it comes to abortion, but can’t seem to comprehend that claiming ‘my body, my choice’ would also apply to the vaccines. But, then again, I’ve never expected consistency from the left. If it weren’t for double standards they’d have no standards at all.

  5. est1950 says:

    The UK has just basically announced that they are at their witts end on Covid.

    They claim that it is not a matter of I F, but W H E N you get covid. To that extent Merkel of Germany announced they are no longer paying for testing….It is pointless.

    And for all the Bluster, they belief now is that Sweeden had it right all along. Though they did chicken out and go into lock downs for awhile, they have a populace that is basically vaccinated because of getting the real covid when everyone else was hiding.

    We are on our own. If covid become MERS…the world is doomed. 40 percent death rate and highly transmissible….oh we talking walking dead Armageddon here if that happens which actually is the fear among scientists now.

    So new study suggests ending your body’s inflammation by STOPPING SUGAR, EATING 2 TBL SPOONS of Turmeric per day and a hand full of blueberries for the anti-oxidants. Vitamin D3 and keep zinc and Vitamin C handy if you get sick. Also cook with real ginger as it is anti-inflammatory as well.

    If you do these things, especially getting you D3 levels up and Inflammation down you should be OKAY.

    • est1950 says:

      Anyone remember the drug companies said the beauty of mRNA vaccines is the ability to tweak them in case of variants.

      I sure remember that. I remember being very optimistic when they claimed their Vaccines could over come, adapt and persevere….APO.

      In fact they have been remarkably silent on this as the Delta variant spreads they keep pumping out the same vaccine to collect as much money as they can before the world drops dead on them.

      Sorry but though I most support Drug manufacturers I find it amazingly disturbing that this claim was made and ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA as far as APO to DELTA by the mRNA vaccines.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        How quickly does Mr1950 expect a drug manufacturer to develop and manufacture a new version and negotiate it with the FDA?

        The current vaccines do work against the Delta variant, especially in reducing serious disease and hospitalizations. Note that the Delta variant is more infectious than the earlier strain.

        That’s not to say that a new variant won’t evade the current vaccines. New variants develop in infected humans.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      2 tablespoons of turmeric is about 6 times the recommended amount (1 tsp/day). Turmeric contains oxalate so if you are prone to kidney stones you should avoid.

      None of these “remedies” are nearly as protective as getting vaccinated against Covid.

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