As Dems Have Their Anti-Due Process Sit In, NY Times Reminds Them That The ACLU Doesn’t Agree

You’ve seen this, right? The Democrats having a sit in over wanting to pass anti-gun bills that use all sorts of lists that violate Constitutional Due Process. It’s just one big tantrum. By people in expensive suits who are protected by all sorts of people carrying firearms. But, they don’t seem to understand Due Process very well.

Even Gawker thinks Democrats are fighting for a bad, stupid bill. So does the NY Times

After Orlando, Questions Over Effectiveness of Terrorism Watch Lists

The shooting rampage at a nightclub in Orlando, Fla., has focused new attention on the vast but murky terror watch lists that the government has used with mixed results to identify potential security threats.

At the time of the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, there were just 16 names on the government’s so-called no-fly list. Today, that number stands at about 81,000, officials said, and the largest of the watch lists has 1.5 million names on it, all but a small fraction of them foreigners. (snip)

The recent proposals to stop people on the watch lists from being able to buy guns have faced resistance from an unlikely group of opponents, including the National Rifle Association and the American Civil Liberties Union.

“We’re as appalled as anyone else about the attack in Orlando,” said Hina Shamsi, the director of the A.C.L.U.’s National Security Project. “But it’s our position that there is no bar on Congress in the reasonable regulation of guns. They could do something without an overly broad, unreliable watch list solution.”

The A.C.L.U., representing Muslim-Americans and others who said they had wrongly been put on the no-fly list, won a ruling in federal court in Oregon two years ago that found the list was unconstitutional because of the high risk of errors and the difficulty of being taken off it. That lawsuit is continuing.

So, there you have it, the ACLU thinks the lists are un-Constitutional, mostly because they violate Due Process. Also, to be fair, because they love representing Islamists, but, mostly the Due Process notion. Then there’s this

Under guidelines for the biggest of the terror lists, known as TIDE, or Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, those placed on the list are “known or appropriately suspected” of being involved in terrorist activity. Of the 1.5 million names on the TIDE list, residents of the United States account for only about 15,000.

Which means that the majority of those on that list are ineligible to purchase firearms except in certain situations. How about we fully restrict foreigners from purchasing a firearm without the approval of a judge? This would be for something like hunting, so, yes, we can restrict them to certain rifles, or because they are being threatened? But, most are not permanent residents. They are temporary. Hence, cannot purchase. Period.

Then, if you want to use these lists, if you are US Citizen, you are given all Due Process capabilities, and the Government must prove your danger from purchasing a weapon. If they can’t, they need to leave you alone. And, should have to pay your legal fees if you need a lawyer. Senator Cornyn’s measure, which would require that the government prove probable cause to a judge, just like with a search warrant, would be the best option, rather than the Democrats proposals, which shred due process in favor of mere suspicion, and create enormous difficulties for citizens to get off the lists.

Perhaps Democrats can tell us why they are for not only removing 2nd Amendment Rights, but Due Process to boot?

Crossed at Right Wing News.

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18 Responses to “As Dems Have Their Anti-Due Process Sit In, NY Times Reminds Them That The ACLU Doesn’t Agree”

  1. Hoagie says:

    This whole kerfuffle is not about gun control it’s about the democrats testing the waters of organizing for the upcoming election. They’re testing to see how much disruption they can cause and how much TV and news coverage they can garner. This way they know what to expect when they unleash the for-pay crony demonstrators this political season.

  2. drowningpuppies says:

    So brave!

    So courageous!

  3. o0Nighthawk0o says:

    Ironic that while the nimrods try and take away our 2nd, 4th and 14th amendment rights, their candidate’s flunky is hiding behind the 5th.

  4. Liam Thomas says:

    and the largest of the watch lists has 1.5 million names on it, all but a small fraction of them foreigners. (snip)

    This right here proves that the Democrats are lying assholes.

    Under Obama we are profiling with no fly lists of FOREIGNERS. We have 1.5 million names on this list.

    The Democrats scream to high heaven that profiling is EVIUEL……..and then go about their business of profiling.

    What a bunch of lying bastards….every Fuking one of them……LEFT< RIGHT AND CENTER. LIBERTARIAN, COMMUNIST< SOCIALIST and if their hearts beating and they are elected………

  5. drowningpuppies says:

    Rep. John Lewis, who once marched alongside civil rights leaders in the 1960’s, is among House Democrats staging a sit-in until the GOP acts to make it illegal for Americans on government watch lists to own firearms.

    It didn’t take @Iowahawk long to spot some major irony:

    In 1963, Martin Luther King was a gun owner on an FBI watchlist.

  6. o0Nighthawk0o says:

    In another case of irony, and funny as hell to boot, Rep. Lewis was once, or still is, on the no-fly list. Was/is having a hell of a time getting off of it. This idiot knows all too well having a privilege denied because of this list and he wants to deny RIGHTS based on it?

  7. John says:

    the next POTUS will probably get to put 3 new Associate Justices onto the SCOTUS
    Thanks GOP for not confirming that moderate Garland!!

  8. Jl says:

    The Religion of Gay Hatred strikes again, but….guns.

  9. Jeffery says:

    The Religion of Government Hatred strikes again:

    Fortunately, the Feds sniffed him out before he could kill anyone.

    Should all far-right extremists and sovereign citizens be required with the government just as Trump wants with Muslims.

  10. Liam Thomas says:

    Should all far-right extremists and sovereign citizens be required with the government just as Trump wants with Muslims.

    The reason the feds sniffed him out is because they are already all over him and spying on him and probably have a documented case against him. ITS what they do to WHITE RADICALS in this country….but if your color is something other then WHITE….its called PROFILING and is politically incorrect because white people dont vote for democrats.

  11. Hoagie says:

    Did you bother to read your own link, Jeffery? The feds knew about him, provided the dummy bomb and basically set the sap up. Seems as a common criminal no further action is needed.

    Keebler, who took part in the 2014 standoff with federal land administrators near Cliven Bundy’s ranch, told undercover FBI agents that he planned to target a BLM building in Mount Trumbull, Ariz. The FBI agents, in turn, created a non-working explosive device for Keebler to use at the facility, which Keebler first started scouting as a target in October 2015.

    Jeffery, are you this naïve with everything or just politics? You think like a 20 year old.

  12. Jeffery says:


    So you think the feds made him do it? Sounds like good police work on a terrorist dumber than the common Muslim. But let’s be honest, right-wing terrorists are not very smart in general.

    BTW, you think a like a 120 year old.

  13. Jeffery says:


    Yes, the poor oppressed white man.

    The feds missed Gordon Kahl, McVeigh and Nichols, Rudolph, Loughner, Dylann Roof, Holmes, Frein, Roeder, Wade Page, Bundy family, etc etc…

  14. Jl says:

    Poor naive Jeffey, along with other hypocritical lefties, forget that during Obams’s first term in 2010, liberals had a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate, controlled the House and the Presidency, and could have passed whatever gun control measure they wanted. Ouch! But we knew they were hypocrites. For that matter, could have passed whatever kind of “fair” tax bill they wanted. Gee, why didn’t they?

  15. Jl says:

    When even the NY Times is against you, you know you’re a special kind of stupid.

  16. Jeffery says:


    Can you detail the so-called filibuster proof majority that the rightists claim?

  17. Hoagie says:

    Again Jeffery, you put words in my mouth. Where did I say I thought the feds made him do it? You need to polish up your reading comprehension. What you consider “right wing terrorists” are a few ne’er-do-wells (look it up you need to be older than twelve to know what that is) not an army of avowed moslem jihadists who declared war on America. And they may be “dumber than the common moslem” as you say yet the moslems are the ones who kill themselves in the act. Now, that’s dumb , Jeffery.

    I understand that as a child you think as a child but the internet is a great place for you to learn views other than the ones brainwashed into your head full of mush by government teachers. Once you mature enough to get past the propaganda you’ll be able to engage in the give and take and you will grow as a person. You’ll also find you don’t need to be angry and strike out at those with whom you disagree. The need to name-call will diminish as you realize people are allowed to have views other than yours, Jeffery.

  18. Liam Thomas says:

    The feds missed Gordon Kahl, McVeigh and Nichols, Rudolph, Loughner, Dylann Roof, Holmes, Frein, Roeder, Wade Page, Bundy family, etc etc…

    SO JEFFERY your finally getting it.

    Shock of shocks.

    The government is not the be all end all. They cannot keep you safe all the time in every circumstance.

    Yet they continue with watchlists and profiling which the left claims to hate yet under Obama we have over a million on a no fly list.

    Seems like they are LYING TO YOU and your buying their lies because your such a nice little soldier who obeys the law and hopes all those cops are gonna keep you safe.

    The government cant do much right. They cant even seem to fight a war anymore no matter which party is in charge…..

    LBJ and Vietnam or BUSH and IRAQ.

    Glad to see you finally get it!! The government can’t keep you safe all the time…but they are sure trying with secret watch lists. AS long as those people are white its not profiling.

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