Bummer: No Way To Measure The Hiding Heat In Deep Oceans

Warmists are still beating the bandwagon about the heat doing a Where’s Waldo? in the deep oceans (say, why wasn’t it doing this before?), but, um, well, er (via Tom Nelson)

“The heat is still coming in, but it appears to have gone into the deep ocean and, frustratingly, we do not have the instruments to measure there,” said Professor Ted Shepherd of Reading University. “Global warming has certainly not gone away.”

How convenient. Warmists are desperately looking for some way to cover up the 15+ year pause, and 22 year statistically insignificant rise. More humor below the fold

This point was backed by Professor Myles Allen at Oxford University. “We have examined the forecasts made by climate scientists over the past three decades and they have been absolutely spot on in terms of predicting subsequent levels of global warming,” he said. “Our climate models are robust and working well.”

Oh, really?

And, remember the prediction that 2013 would see an ice free Arctic?

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7 Responses to “Bummer: No Way To Measure The Hiding Heat In Deep Oceans”

  1. Ugly4126 says:

    What about the Argo ocean data-collection buoys? Seems like their data is pretty good. Of course, that data doesn’t show any kind of massive heat build up. Another inconvenient truth, I guess. Read “The Skeptic’s Case” at wattsupwiththat.com- pretty clear, even for a neanderthal like me.

  2. Jeffery says:

    So, you now maintain that the Earth isn’t warming?

    from the linked article: “Since 1998, however, that rise has been reduced to only 0.05C. The observation has been seized upon by global warming deniers who say it is evidence that climate change is slowing down and may halt.

    But experts reject this claim. In fact, satellite measurements of the solar radiation entering the atmosphere, compared with the radiation being reflected back into space, show there has been no change in the rate of Earth’s warming. Most researchers believe that changes in sea currents may be taking heat deep into oceans.”

    There is nothing to cover up. Our Earth continues to accumulate heat unabated. The question for one curious about such things is: “Where is the heat going”? There aren’t many options, are there? The atmosphere, the land, the oceans… or perhaps the heat is being absorbed in physical processes such as melting ice (the arctic, Greenland, glaciers, Antarctica) or the evaporation of water.

  3. So, you now maintain that the Earth isn’t warming?

    Um, no. You’re new, so you will have missed that I’ve noted that the global temps, such as they are, have increased by 0.14F since 1998 and 0.28F since 1990. That is what Phil Jones referred to as “statistically insignificant”.

  4. Blowin'_Up_Gumballs says:

    Comment by Jeffery
    2013-09-22 22:51:42

    So, you now maintain that the Earth isn’t warming?

    from the linked article: “In fact, satellite measurements of the solar radiation entering the atmosphere, compared with the radiation being reflected back into space, show there has been no change in the rate of Earth’s warming.”

    There is nothing to cover up. Our Earth continues to accumulate heat unabated.

    Wait, so you cite a supposed reference that claimed that solar radiation had not changed, and the rate of warming has not changed… but then you state the heat continues “unabated”.

    Which is it? Can you prove that the Earth is still warming unabated?

    Hey jeffery, when you turn the chilling power to your freezer, what happens? Does it warm up? Or do the temps stay stagnant? What happens with the temperature in the freezer when you move it out in the sunshine (increased sun radiation)? Place it in the shade (decreased sun activity)?

    How do you know what happens to that unplugged freezer that you’ve left outside while you are at work? Can you say for sure that your kid left the door open? How do you know if you have no way of monitoring the door or the temperature?

    We know 10% of our total ecosystem. Yet, we claim 95% knowledge.

  5. Jeffery says:

    If the amount of energy coming in stays constant and the amount leaving decreases, it stands to reason that the heat content is increasing. And this is exactly what is found. The land and atmosphere make up about 10% of the heat storage capacity, the oceans the remaining 90%. Heat is transferred from the oceans to the atmosphere and vice versa. The oceans are warming at a rate consistent with the current radiation imbalance. The atmosphere is warming, just more slowly than 10 yrs ago. The TOTAL heat content of the Earth is continuing to increase in accord with the predictions based on atmospheric CO2 content.

  6. Blowin'_Up_Gumballs says:

    Except, none of that is true. Nice try.
    The atmosphere has not experienced a warming trend over the last nearly 2 decades.
    There is little evidence of vast ocean heating. And, the ocean would have heated already assuming that CO2 is the only reason for our greenhouse effect. The ocean has had several billions of years to come to equilibrium with the atmosphere.

    So, as the atmosphere temperature rose or cooled, that would have been in most part a response to the temperature of the oceans. Since we’ve not warmed at all in the last 2 decades nearly, then that stands to reason that the oceans also have not warmed.

    Your logic as always is illogical and comes from a standpoint of ignorance of the subject.

    Thanks for playing. Or at least trying to.

  7. Jeffery says:

    Denying that the atmosphere has warmed for some 20 years is simply not true (See Foster and Rahmstorf, 2011). From 1990 to 2010, the mean increase from the 5 major databases (GISS, CRU, UAH, RSS, NCDC) was 0.4 degrees C. That’s an increase.

    As for denying ocean warming, see Church 2011, Nucitelli 2012, Balmaseda 2013 and/or Levitus 2011. Thermometers are a well-understood technology.

    Your hypothesis denying ocean warming based on denying that the atmosphere has warmed, while appealing, is not supported by the facts. Your conclusion may be based more on ideology than evidence. Thermometers tell us that the ocean is warming, with some 30% of the heat buildup in the 700-2000m level (see the papers above).

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