Autopsy Done By George Floyd Family Could Help Police Officer’s Defense

Well, this is not a good thing. I’d like to see the officer spend a long time in jail for what he did, along with the other officers who just stood around

Floyd family autopsy could help accused policeman’s defense, legal experts say

An independent autopsy that found George Floyd died solely from asphyxiation could actually bolster the defense of the former Minneapolis police officer charged with killing him, legal experts said.

The autopsy released on Monday said Floyd’s death, which sparked nationwide protests, was a homicide and that he had no underlying medical conditions.

Later on Monday, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner released details of its autopsy findings that also said Floyd’s death was a homicide caused by asphyxiation but that he had possible underlying health conditions and intoxicants in his body that may have been contributing factors in his death.

On the surface, the independent autopsy would seem to bolster the prosecution’s case against Derek Chauvin, the police officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck for several minutes before he died last week.

But legal experts said it could do the opposite by creating confusion in the mind of the jury.

“It will be part of the defense strategy to say they can’t even get the cause of death right,” said Gerald Lefcourt, a criminal defense attorney.

We’ve all seen the video, I think we can all conclude George Floyd would not be dead without the actions of Chauvin, but, we have a legal system

Former prosecutors and defense attorneys told Reuters that Chauvin faced a very difficult case given the strong video evidence.

If prosecutors introduce the independent report, the defense could seize on the conflicting autopsies to create questions in the jury’s mind about the cause of death.

Under U.S. law, prosecutors must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If prosecution doesn’t, defense could. One has to wonder if the State is going to have to reduce the charges down from 3rd degree murder in order to attempt to get a conviction, which would set people off yet again. And if they fail to convict him. Gonna be tough to get a unbiased jury. There’s zero possibility of charging Chauvin with 1st degree murder at this point.

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14 Responses to “Autopsy Done By George Floyd Family Could Help Police Officer’s Defense”

  1. formwiz says:

    I had a feeling.

    The same lawyer who represented St Skittles’ family was the one who ordered this.

  2. Kye says:

    Seems to me the entire left-o-sphere has already charged him with 1st degree murder, found him guilty and want him executed. I thought trials were left overs from white supremacy and white privilege. What we need here is an all black jury from Minneapolis who have watched the video at least 100 times while listening to CNN commentary. Then we can have a fair trial. After all, fair trials are left overs from male patriarchy and as such biased.

    Biden 2020 Hang the motherfuker!

    “The white people who instinctively side with the blacks against the whites, are not your people. They can never be your people, because they hate your people. Granted, what drives them is hatred of self, but it is not your job to heal them. These people are driven by the thought of your people living as hated minorities in their own lands. They cannot be saved.” Concerned American Black Man

  3. gitarcarver says:

    The two charges are 3rd degree murder and 2nd degree manslaughter.

    From the charging document:

    The Complainant submits this complaint to the Court and states that there is probable cause to believe Defendant committed the following offense(s):


    Charge: Murder – 3rd Degree – Perpetrating Eminently Dangerous Act and Evincing Depraved Mind
    Minnesota Statute: 609.195(a), with reference to: 609.195(a)
    Maximum Sentence: 25 YEARS
    Offense Level: Felony
    Offense Date (on or about): 05125/2020

    Control #(ICR#): 20200338

    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others andevincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.


    Charge: Manslaughter – 2nd Degree – Culpable Negligence Creating Unreasonable Risk
    Minnesota Statute: 609.205(1), with reference to: 609.205
    Maximum Sentence: 10 YEARS AND/OR $20,000
    Offense Level: Felony
    Offense Date (on or about): 05125/2020
    Control #(ICR#): 20200338
    Charge Description: That on or about May 25, 2020, in Hennepin County, Minnesota, Derek Michael Chauvin caused the death of George Floyd by his culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk and taking a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to George Floyd.

    Under those elements, the DA doesn’t have to prove the exact cause of death. Floyd was in the custodial care of Chauvin who ignored Floyd’s pleas for his medical condition. Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck / shoulder for 2 minutes after another officer checked Floyd’s pulse and found none.

    If there is a poster child for “depraved indifference,” it is Chauvin. The 2nd degree manslaughter charge fits because of the hold and the length of time it was applied. While Minneapolis does allow the hold to be used by those trained in its use, the requirement is that once the suspect is secure as Floyd was, the hold must be released. In addition the training states that if the suspect shows any medical distress, the hold must be released. Not having a pulse for 2 minutes after complaining he could not breath qualifies as “medical distress.”

    There will be people who will think that Chauvin deserves the death penalty, but that does not fit the penalties for the law(s) he broke.

    There is another thing to consider and I haven’t seen much talk about this. Even assuming that Floyd was “faking” his medical distress, once Floyd had stopped breathing, why didn’t any of the three cops push Chauvin off of Floyd or demand he release the hold? What in the heck were they doing?

    • Professor hale says:

      Gitar. You are watching basic game theory play out. A black person prominently dies after saying “I can’t breathe”. Then police departments all pass policies to respond to that. Then all black criminals who get caught say the magic words, “I can’t breathe”. When police hear enough criminals say that, they learn to recognize it as a ploy and stop responding to it. Just like when all illegals suddenly started claiming asylum. Then they suddenly started bringing young unrelated children with them. Game theory states that the actions of other players influence your next action and your actions influence their actions.

      • gitarcarver says:


        Because all people who say “I can’t breathe” in response to a hold that is against police policy and held in place after the person stops breathing must be lying.

        Fact of the matter is that once Floyd was secured, there was no need whatsoever for the hold in that spot on the body.

        As for your comment below, Floyd stopped moving at 8:24:24. He stopped breathing at 8:25:31. Officer Kueng checked for a pulse and could not find one.

        • gitarcarver says:


          Chauvin kept his knee on the neck / shoulder area for 2 minutes after Floyd stopped breathing and 3 minutes after he stopped moving (thus negating the need for the hold.)

          The EMT’s showed up AFTER that.

          If anything, what we are seeing is that this cop acted in a reckless, wanton manner without regard for the life of another human being and people are supporting him because …. well, there is no basis for supporting this cop (and the three others on the scene.)

          If Floyd were your parent, your son, or your brother, you would say the cop’s actions were illegal and morally wrong.

          • Klemdadiddlehopper says:

            The look on the coppers face said it all. They apparently worked together, probably Floyd was holding out on paying the copper some drug money. I think it will come out this cop was a bad, bad man. He has had 18 complaints on his record.

            Only in a liberal town with a strong police Union would this guy still have his job.

            By the time they get charges ready he will probably be facing a lot more charges then he currenly is and unfortunately the police caught up in this might be just regular cops afraid to piss off a dirty cop.

            thats how I read it right now.

          • Professor hale says:

            I can’t relate. I didn’t teach my daughter to get high on fentanyl. If she did it anyway, I wouldnt blame the police who caught her, the emts who failed to revive her, or the hospital who put in too much or too little effort to save her.

            Floyd died of opioid od. Nothing police did could have changed that.

          • gitarcarver says:

            Floyd died of opioid od.

            Don’t let the facts get in your way.

            The ME’s report says there were traces of fentanyl, but was not intoxicated by the drug.

            The ME’s report attributed the cause of death to “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”

            NOT an opioid overdose.

            Furthermore, no matter whether the ME and the private autopsy agree that the death of Floyd was a homicide, which is defined as “when one human being causes the death of another.”

  4. Professor hale says:

    “We’ve all seen the video, I think we can all conclude George Floyd would not be dead without the actions of Chauvin”.

    I don’t conclude that at all. Floyd died of fentanyl OD. The police were just there when it happened. Nothing the police did contributed to Floyd’s death. Watch the film and don’t attempt to insert bias. All they did was hold him down while they awaited an ambulance/EMT, that they had already summoned. The EMT was already there when he lost consciousness and did nothing to revive him.

    Was this one of those cities that told their EMTs to not attemp resuscitation due to COVID fears? Seems like that policy would be more at fault. Either that, or he was breathing fine when they put him in the ambulance. You can’t tell in a video if lost consciousness = dead or not breathing.

    Bottom line: The activist news media has been lying to us about everything for decades. Why would you believe them about this?

    Best policy: it’s a local matter. Let them handle it.

    • formwiz says:

      Regardless, the defense will tear this to shreds.

      The ME in Minneapolis either got it right or displayed WHO/CDC/NIH level incompetence. The fact there’s a second autopsy with an outcome the family’s lawyer wanted muddies the water irrevocably.

      • gitarcarver says:

        Regardless, the defense will tear this to shreds.


        The method or causation of Floyd’s death is no an issue in the charges filed against Chauvin.

        Both the ME and the private autopsy agree that Floyd’s death was a homicide.

        If Chauvin were being charged with 1st or 2nd degree murder, the cause of death would be an issue.

        The question the jury will have to answer is “did Chauvin act in a reckless manner with indifference to the life of another?”

        All one has to do is watch and listen to the tapes to see that is the case. Otherwise, explain how he used a hold that was not approved by the Minneapolis PD, for a length of time that was far longer if he were trained to use the hold, and the fact that he kept the hold on Floyd for three minutes after Floyd stopped moving and 2 minutes after he stopped breathing and was told by another officer that Floyd had no pulse.

        How can a jury say that Floyd, who was in the custody of the police and unable to get away, was not treated with reckless disregard for life when the cops on the scene failed to offer basic medical care (required by law) once he was not moving and once he was not breathing?

        How Floyd died won’t matter one iota. The fact that he was complaining, that he died while in custody, that the police made no effort to help him, and in total absence of any “reasonable level of care” required by law, let him die on the street without lifting a finger (or a knee.)

        This is the same police department where Mohamed Noor shot and killed Justine Damond. Noor was convicted of 3rd degree homicide and 2nd degree manslaughter. (Same charges as Chauvin) Not once did the issue of the cause of death in the trial arose. All that mattered, and all that matters in the Chauvin trial, is that the officers acted in a reckless manner and without regard for human life.

  5. formwiz says:

    More fun and games.

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    Secret Service found baseball bats; metal poles hidden along the street near the White House.

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