Trump Calls Confederate General Robert E. Lee Great General Or Something

This has made the Washington Post’s Gabriel Pogrund Very Upset

Trump asked African Americans for their votes at a rally where he also praised Confederate icon Robert E. Lee

President Trump praised the Confederate general Robert E. Lee whilst asking African American voters to “honor us” by voting for him at an Ohio rally which included an unexpected and provocative monologue on America’s Civil War history.

Addressing an open-air rally of around 4,000 supporters, Trump appeared buoyant as he declared that Lee was a “true great fighter” and “great general.” He also said Abraham Lincoln once had a “phobia” of the Southern leader, whose support of slavery has made his legacy a heavily contested and divisive issue.

The comments came during an anecdote about Ohio-born president Ulysses S. Grant’s alleged drinking problems. “Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, ‘I can’t beat Robert E. Lee’,” Trump said. “They said to Lincoln, ‘You can’t use him anymore, he’s an alcoholic.’ And Lincoln said, ‘I don’t care if he’s an alcoholic, frankly, give me six or seven more just like him.’ He started to win.”

Minutes earlier, Trump had hailed African American unemployment numbers and asked black voters to “honor us” by voting Republican in November. “Get away from the Democrats,” he told them. “Think of it: we have the best numbers in history … I think we’re going to get the African American vote. And it’s true.” He also celebrated hip-hop artist Kanye West’s visit to the Oval Office on Thursday, adding: “What he did was pretty amazing.”

Trump’s speech threatened to reignite a highly divisive debate over America’s racial history with just weeks to go until the midterms. Trump has previously defended statues commemorating Confederate leaders, tweeting last year: “Sad to see the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments.” Critics say such statues glorify historic advocates of slavery.

So, that third paragraph, where the actual context is supposed to reside, is rather tortured, is it not? The article goes on to mention that Ulysses S. Grant being a native born Ohioan, which was the point of the what Trump was saying. Twitchy has a post up about “you’re about to see libs attack Trump” over the Robert E. Lee quote, which includes


Cam provides a lot more context, worth reading his tweets over at the Twitchy post. And this is yet another example of why the Leftist news media is untrustworthy.

Lee was, in fact, a great fighter and a great general. His record before the Civil War as part of the U.S. military was spectacular, and he did pretty well during the Civil War, up to a point. Even though he was a part of the German military during WWII, we can say that Rommel was a hell of a general, can we not? Admiral Yamamoto was a hell of an admiral, right?

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66 Responses to “Trump Calls Confederate General Robert E. Lee Great General Or Something”

  1. Dana says:

    President Trump was wrong to praise Robert E Lee as a great general, not because General Lee fought for his home country, Virginia, but because he wasn’t that great a general.

    Yes, he won some battles he shouldn’t have, in part because some other generals saved his ass, and while the move into Pennsylvania in an attempt to attack Washington was a sound strategy, accepting battle at Gettysburg was an utterly boneheaded move. Anyone could have seen that the Federals had the high ground, but General Lee didn’t. Anyone could have seen that Pickett’s Charge was a suicide run, but General Lee didn’t.

    • formwiz says:

      His plan included Jeb Stuart hitting the Union rear as Pickett launched his charge, but that was loused up by a green kid named Custer at a place called Hanover.

      PS Everybody thought the Union guns had been knocked out, that’s why he gave Pickett the go-ahead. He had no intent of sending his men against a prepared artillery position.

      • david7134 says:

        Gettysburg was not as bad a decision as people think. Put yourself in Lee’s shoes, you have established contact with a army that appeared out of no where, at a place you did not chose and before you are on the ground you are fully engaged. Now, who do you disengage? If you try to leave, your rear will be attacked, unless you hurt the other guy real bad. Gettysburg is a battle scheme that was used by Napoleon, and by most leaders in WWI and WWII. Lee did send an army up the center and it took its objective, only there was no reserve. That is because all the other parts of the army were keeping the rest of the feds tied down and trying to take their flank. And also remember, you are fighting in a cloud. Once the big guns started, you could not see a thing. Lee was a good man, our resident troll has chosen to trash him as he can not think (notice my previous comments on his remedial degree and education). Lee did oppose slavery, but freeing slaves is not an easy thing to do, it is like trying to let go of a rabid wolf when you have it by the ears. For that matter, both Grant and Lincoln owned slaves, both Lincoln sold his. Now, if slavery was so bad, why do black consistently vote to have socialism, which is a variant of the institution? Also, freed blacks in the south owned slaves, in fact about 25% of freed blacks had slaves, look up Melrose plantation. Now, find an equivalent industry owned by blacks in the North. The fact is that Lincoln was working to export the slaves, not leave them here.

        • Dana says:

          General Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia invaded what they considered to be a foreign nation; that an opposing army appeared “out of nowhere” was something which always had to be expected.

          I understand the strategy, to take Washington and force the Federals to surrender, to give up on their war of invasion of the CSA, but General Lee, who had the second highest cumulative in the history of West Point, was inadequately informed on the geography and resources he faced in Maryland and Pennsylvania.

  2. Jethro says:

    And Adolph Hitler was a great public speaker and strong leader, and killed millions. Mao Zedong was a great organizer and visionary, and killed millions. Joseph Stalin was a popular leader, supported by a cult of personality, and killed millions.

    General Robert E. Lee was a traitor and led a revolution against the US, in support of continuing the practice of slavery. 600,000 Americans and southern rebels died during the civil war to retain slavery.

    The idea that Lee was a great general and tactician is countered by his biographers who point out his multiple failures.

    He felt flogging of slaves was appropriate to maintain control. He opposed giving rights to Blacks once freed.

    • formwiz says:

      Lee was not a traitor and did not lead the rebellion (pick up a book). In fact, Lee opposed secession and hated slavery.

      Oh, and how many generals didn’t have a few failures? Lee was so good, the North wanted him first (as any kid who was taught history knows).

      Lee kept the Confederacy going for 4 years, at least 2 years longer than anybody else could.

      He felt flogging of slaves was appropriate to maintain control. He opposed giving rights to Blacks once freed.

      Citation? Link?

      • Jethro says:

        In fact, Lee opposed secession and hated slavery.

        Citation? Link?

        • Bill589 says:

          And Lee was very helpful with the peace process, reuniting the North and South.
          It was good that Donald praised him.

        • formwiz says:

          Lee freed his father-in-law’s slaves in the middle of the war and thought .secession was a bad idea.

          There’s plenty of others, needless to say.


          • Jethro says:

            from your supplied citation:

            “He was not a pro-slavery ideologue,” Eric Foner, a Civil War historian, author and professor of history at Columbia University, said of Lee. “But I think equally important is that, unlike some white southerners, he never spoke out against slavery.”

            I think it (slavery) is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence.


            Lee seemed to believe that slavery was ordained by his God and that his God would end when He saw fit. There was no need for man to take action.

            Then he let fly at abolitionists:

            …that the reason he (the abolitionist) gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

            And there is the little matter of leading the rebel army intent on maintaining the practice of slavery.

            Perhaps you’re trying to say that Lee was a good man doing horrific things?

            So please spare us the defense of Lee and slavery, we’ve heard it all before. He was a traitor. White supremacists lost the civil war; get over it.

        • Mangoldielocks says:

          Of all the letters by Lee that have been collected by archivists and historians over the years, one of the most famous was written to his wife in 1856. “In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country,” he wrote.

          Civil war historians with no axe to grind have found many letters from LEE condemning in private Slavery. However his biggest sin was in not speaking out against it openly. Much as hollywood would not dare to speak out against powerful producers even though they knew the truth until finally the kettle exploded.

          • formwiz says:

            Little Jeffery leaves out the most salient part of Lee’s letter.

            There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race.

          • Jethro says:

            And yet Lee supported slavery – in fact he even fought a disastrous war over it.

            Why can’t Cons condemn the rebellion and the slavery it was meant to preserve?

    • david7134 says:

      Do you realize that your desired for government are almost the exact same as Hitler?

  3. formwiz says:

    Of course, Lee’s greatest service was in Mexico where he reconned the heights at Cerro Gordo and told Scott to put his guns there. Santa Anna could have stopped us cold there if he hadn’t left the heights unmanned.

    One could easily say he won the Mexican War single-handed that night.

    • Jethro says:

      But there is that little matter of treason and commanding the army of rebels intent on destroying the US so white southerners could keep their slave economy.

      But thank god he told Scott where to put his guns.

      You lost the civil war bigly; get over it.

  4. Rodney Stanton says:

    No matter what Don does the Bush Clan and the rest of ”
    progressive” America will be p.od!
    If Don said, “The sun rises in the East.” GWB would blast it as “another Trump lie!”!

    • Jethro says:

      If tRump said, “The sun rises in the east”, people would say, “tRump finally told the truth, once”.

      • Dana says:

        Given that the sun rises in the southeast, at least for everyone above the Tropic of Cancer . . . .

        At roughly the latitude of St Louis (38.63º N), the sun rises at 15.37º south of due east on the morning of the summer solstice; that is closer to east-south-east than due east. On the equinox, the sun rises at 38.62º south of east, which is closer to south east than ESE. And on the winter solstice, the sun rises at 61.88º south of east, which is closer to south-south-east than southeast.

  5. formwiz says:

    It was not intent on destroying the US so white southerners could keep their slave economy; it was intent on getting the US Army off its land. And, if he was a traitor, why was he never tried for it?

    Possibly because her was defending his home from invasion. The South had every right to secede (9th Amendment). Lincoln wanted to compel them to stay because the North couldn’t survive without the South paying the protective tariff. The war was about money, not slavery. As most educated people know.

    there is the little matter of leading the rebel army intent on maintaining the practice of slavery

    He never “led” the Confederate Army. He led the Army of Northern Virginia. There was no General-In-Chief the way the Union had.

    Also most of the men in the Confederate Army didn’t own slaves. They had no stake in slavery, to the point Joe Johnston famously acknowledged, “10% of the Confederate Army owned 90% of the slaves”. All the Rebs wanted was the Yankees gone.

    • Jethro says:

      Oh buttercup…

      if he was a traitor, why was he never tried for it?

      You know why. In 1868, President Johnson issued a general, unconditional pardon to all those who, “directly or indirectly,” were involved in the Confederacy. This included Robert E. Lee, and consequently he could not be tried for treason.

      the war was about money, not slavery.

      You know better than that. Have you read the Declarations of Secession from the various states? Check out this from SC:

      • formwiz says:

        And they had plenty of time to try Lee before 1868, or are dates another thing you don’t know?

        Yale is nothing but a Lefty cesspool any more, so big whhop.

        I’m talking facts. Try this on for size.

        Too bad you were never educated.

  6. formwiz says:

    Point is, Jeffery, like his massas in the Lefty media, lie through their teeth all the time.

    The media lies about what Trump said because black men (Jeffery, of course, is disqualified) are found to sympathize with Brother Bret on the issue of false accusation.

    They know they’re about to get killed in the midterms and all the groups they count on to turn out for them, white women; Hispanics; blacks; kids, are going Republican, so they will tell any lie they can think of to try to stem the tide (they’d do it anyway, but they’re just that much more desperate now).

    • Jethro says:

      Oh little Buttercup,

      What lie did the Lefty media tell on Don the Con?

      We’ll see in November.

      • formwiz says:

        Since Senate races are averaging 10 points ahead for the Rs, you’re gonna get sick eating all those buttercups, and the House races are beginning to look the same way.

        But, since the media tried to con people Trump asked blacks to vote R for Robert E Lee (which doesn’t even make sense) when the video of the quote is readily available, the only Con here is Jeffery’s.

        As always.

        • Jethro says:

          Lil Buttercup,

          Are you sure the media said that tRump tried to con Blacks into voting GOP because of Robert E. Lee?

          Links? Citations?

          “So Robert E. Lee was a great general and Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia.” “He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee.”

          • formwiz says:

            No, but you apparently are.

            And, uh, your quote is from some WaPo writer, so I wouldn’t treat it as gospel.

  7. Jl says:

    When you’re stupid and have nothing else to do, you go after Trump for mentioning a confederate general…

    • Jethro says:

      It was a political ploy by tRump to help motivate his white nationalist base. It’s why he’s doing pep rallies throughout the red states, tossing red meat to his red staters.

      • Mangoldielocks says:

        Trump is literally a genius. Everything he does is with a purpose. He does not willy nilly throw stuff out without a sound reason. Usually that reason is to get the left and the MSM to chase down facts instead of focusing on The entire GOP.

        Trump is like a TANK in a video game. He stands at the front and lets the monster beat on him while everyone around him attacks the monster free of return attacks.

        Why exactly would Trump waste time in California or Washington or Oregon and any number of deep, deep blue states? Of course he is motivating MY NATIONALIST BASE.

        What the jefferys of the world would have you believe is that it is a WHITE NATIONALIST movement. It is not. It is inclusive. Open arms are extended to all people who love America and want her to remain strong. Immigration is perfectly accepted as long as it is done legally and morally. There is no WHITE NATIONALIST MOVEMENT, it just happens that a majority of America Like SEVENTY (70) percent are White therefore any NATIONALIST MOVEMENT by default includes a disproportionate amount of White people.

        Let not your heart be troubled. It is not a racist movement. That is something the victimhood Democrats flail around trying desperately to make you believe. Everyone is included in Making America Great Again. That means we want black people to prosper and Hispanics to prosper and Asians to prosper. We want women to feel safe and revered. We simply want a safe America for all citizens. If that makes us evil then you have drank all the kool aide and George Soros is still funding your McDonalds habit.

        Nationalism is running wild throughout the world right now. It is too bad you hate that concept and want a bunch of elitists in Europe telling America what to do. Even the EU is on the verge of breaking up because of those same elitists telling every nation you have to open your borders to murdering thugs and let your nation be taken over by Middle eastern Trash.

        Currently there are over 1000 No go zones in the EU with more emerging every week including the financial district of London which was one of the primary drivers of BREXIT. Imagine if you will a 1000 muslim controlled cities in The USA in which police no longer had control.

        this is what a vote for Democrats in the coming elections will give you America. people Like Jeffery who troll day and night trying to dredge up

        • Jethro says:


          tRump is certainly a talented con man, but hardly a genius. Make no mistake, tRump is not a white nationalist himself, but he uses and escalates the fear that many conservative whites have regarding losing their advantages and privilege. Privileged majorities consider equal rights for oppressed minorities to be discrimination against the majority.

          You tried to make an argument but devolved into anti-Muslim hatred. Why?

          Do you really believe there are over 1000 no go zones in Europe? And that that might happen here? That conspiracy theory was debunked long ago.

          • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:



          • david7134 says:

            Those are really great citation, NOT. Tell me, how do you drive and walk with your head up your but 24/7? Why don’t you take a trip to Europe and see the Muslim invasion and the destruction as a consequence? I have and it is sad.

          • Jethro says:

            smelly dave,

            Can you prove that there are over a thousand no-go zones in Europe?

            Are they like the no-go zones in southern US towns where a Black person couldn’t go without getting assaulted, often by the police?

            We understand how afraid the white man is in America. Blacks, gays, Muslims, women and brown immigrants are eroding your privileges and advantages. Women are now pushing back against your harassment and assaults. It’s a tough time for white guys and you’re fighting back!

          • Jethro says:

            And fear fuels the rage that conservative white men are experiencing these days. The hatred and cruelty they express is a product of their fears. White men feel their privilege slipping.

          • david7134 says:

            You are really getting unhinged, real bad. Yes you can prove the no go areas, go over there and see them, simple. As to the rest of your comments ,you need help, bad. But I know the shift in the courts to a view that is more in line with the country, the Dems losing the black and Latin vote, the Red Wave coming in Nov., Trump winning and winning, Hillary going to jail, didn’t know that did you and Obama exposed. MAGA.

          • Jethro says:

            Smelly dave,

            “Unhinged” has become the new shiny object dictated from the top of the GOPher colony! That and “mobs”.

            Instead of taking your cues from your masters… why not think for yourself?

  8. formwiz says:

    Oh, wow, Snopes and Bloomie. I’m impressed. /sarc

    A couple of biased sources for your white nationalist nonsense?

    How come Hispanic support for Trump is 41% and black support about 3/8?

    Why do POC like Trump in such numbers?

    He keeps his promises. He is the rising tide that lifts all boats. He puts people back to work in record numbers.

    And, yes, he is a genius. He’s brought Russia, North Korea, Red China, and Iran to heel without war. He’s recruited the world to stem Red China’s military ambitions. He’s staffing the Federal bench with Americans instead of Leftists.

    And the only con man here is Jeffery, who is mostly conning himself. Or knows he’s lying and is just a Judas.

    • Jethro says:


      Your list from the right-wingers in Hungary is not proof of over 1000 “no-go zones” in Europe, but nice try.

      This charge has been ricocheting around the right-wing echo chamber for a decade. Sharia Law in Dearborn! It’s coming to a town near you!

      We understand the fear that permeates working class white males (and the women that rely on them for their own advantages) in America – the economy has left them behind – they blame the “other” because it’s easy – but the truth is that economic elites (Democratic AND republic) have rigged the system in their own favor, leaving the white working class behind.

      What has tRump/GOPhers done to help the working classes?

      • formwiz says:

        Since it’s from the UK, I guess it is.

        And consumer confidence is higher than it’s been in 20 years. Record unemployment rates not exceeded since the 60s. That’s what Trump has done.

        The big industrial states went for him because Zippy’s idea of socialism had failed.

        There’s no fear except on your side. You’re going nuts because Trump can’t be beat and America won’t come begging to you for your failed ideas.

        Have fun. November is coming.

  9. Jethro says:

    Oh Buttercup,

    The references debunked the “no-go zone” silliness in the right-wing echo chamber, not addressing white nationalism here.

    You’re deluding yourself if you think Blacks and Hispanics support tRump. But we understand why you need to think that.

    And job growth in 2017 was the slowest since 2012. Job growth is slower now than under President Obama. Bet you don’t hear that on FOX.

    We’ll wait and see how Russia, NK, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China turn out.

    • formwiz says:

      My list is more than you have. If it isn’t so, prove it. You can’t. Even the Lefty media admits the no go zones in countries like France. When you start denying your own propaganda ministry, you’re really looking stupid.

      I know they teach you guys to just keep lying as if it’s true, but when everybody makes you look like a fool, it’s time to sit down asnd shut up.

      And job growth in 2017 was the slowest since 2012. Job growth is slower now than under President Obama. Bet you don’t hear that on FOX.

      Mostly because it isn’t true. Love to see where you get this nonsense, but you’re too afraid to show it.

      GDP is 4 today; back then, it was 1. Job growth is the best it’s been since the 60s. Again, show your figures. With a link.

      And even the Gray Lady says Red China and Russia are on the ropes, the Saudi thing is in your mind, we’re doing another summit with the Norks, and even Iran is being wracked by civil unrest.

      Trump’s winning, you’re the poster boy for losing.

  10. formwiz says:

    Can you prove that there are over a thousand no-go zones in Europe?

    With Angie Merkel finally admitting there are in der vaterland, looks like there are. Next time, little idiot, you better be sure you can annswer, “Can you prove there aren’t?”.

    We understand how afraid the white man is in America. Blacks, gays, Muslims, women and brown immigrants are eroding your privileges and advantages. Women are now pushing back against your harassment and assaults. It’s a tough time for white guys and you’re fighting back!

    Can’t speak for Moslems and illegals, but everybody else you mention is coming over to our side. Women, all colors, are outraged by the way men are treated, only the feminuts (like you?) hate men. Blacks and Hispanics are seeing how white Lefties and their colored Judas goats have betrayed them.

    Better have lots of crying towels ready November 7. It’s gonna be a red tidal wave. Get out your water wings.

    fear fuels the rage that conservative white men are experiencing these days. The hatred and cruelty they express is a product of their fears. White men feel their privilege slipping.

    My God, what drivel. The white Lefties who wrote that have been beating the drum for 40 years and yet who does all the attacking in this country?

    White Lefties. Little Jeffery has to cherry-pick incidents while the media is full of white Leftist violence. Seems like blacks and Hispanics aren’t marching to their tunes (except for kapos like Jeffery)

    • Jethro says:

      Oh Buttercup,

      Yes, pity the poor white man, assailed on all sides by girls lying about being groped and raped!

      Vulnerable white men are the new victims! Every white man is now a target!

      Of course, GOPhers are whistling past the graveyard. If just 11% of traditional Dem mid-term non-voters show up Nov 6… the Senate goes blue. The GOP House will be gone regardless.

      PT Barnum tRump is a great campaigner but the Gravedigger of Democracy, Mitch McConnell, continues to push the deconstruction of Social Security, Medicare, quality healthcare, and supports the continued and disastrous upward redistribution of America from the working classes to the wealthy donor class.

      The toxic PT tRump makes his white devotees feel they are taking back America from the browns, Blacks, gays, feminazis, libs, eggheads, scientists and non-Christians who have eroded uneducated white Christian guy advantages over the past several decades.

      He induces ecstasy in his followers by reconfirming their entitlements, and funneling their rage.

      • formwiz says:

        Of course, that’s why minority unemployment is at historically low levels. And we don’t have democracy here. We have a republic, hard as fools like you have tried to destroy it, but the backlash against your tactics shows you’re losing. That’s why you’re paid minikmum wage to type in all the nonsense your massas write for you.

        If just 11% of traditional Dem mid-term non-voters show up Nov 6…

        But it won’t. You people did that in when you slimed Brother Bret. And of anybody’s whistling past the graveyard, it’s you.

        Facts mean nothing to you, only hate and envy. You believe browns, Blacks, gays, feminazis, libs, eggheads, scientists and non-Christians are really taking charge when it’s more white people like the ones who owned the slaves and rode for the Klan.

        And they’re the truly uneducated. Facts don’t matter to them, either.

        But have fun while you can. November 6 is only 23 days away.

        And buy some Alfredo for all those buttercups you’re going to have to eat.

        • Jethro says:


          Con Men constantly deny our democracy. We are a democratic republic. Didn’t you know that? Cons oppose democracy.

          The Cons are hoping that the Russians, voter suppression and gerrymandering will push them over the top. We’ll see. After Nov 6 it will become obvious that you’ll lose your god-king sooner rather than later. Count on it. The silence from Mr. Mueller the past month is deafening to tRump and especially his Clown Princes, Jared and Don Jr.

          But no one should underestimate the vile selfishness of tRump. After the election he will try to dismantle the investigation by hook or crook and consolidate his power. It’s why, in part, he and his politburo pushed Kavanaugh onto the court.

          • formwiz says:

            Wrong again, moron. We are a federal republic. We are not a democracy. Democracy is mob rule. We’ve seen it and we don’t want it.

            And we don’t voter suppression and gerrymandering. That;’s your bag. The numbers are running against you and even your celebrity pollsters are seeing it. 5 more Rs in the Senate, more House seats flipped. And you did it to yourselves. You had to be the lynch mob your democracy is and it’s turned women, blacks (how does it feel to be a Judas?), Hispanics, and kids against you.

            So, get used to Trump ’20.

            The silence from Mr. Mueller the past month is deafening

            Why doesn’t he do it now and win the elections for you morons? Because Mule Ears has nowhere to go.

            And your side has the politburo. Just projecting everywhere. You really need help.

  11. Mangoldielocks says:

    You tried to make an argument but devolved into anti-Muslim hatred. Why?

    Not so. At all. The simple fact and it is a fact. Muslims arriving from Africa and the Middle east are in fact Criminals, thugs and rapists. They have created over 1000 no go zones in Europe. The radical of the Muslim community are in full blown Jihad. Now you can read that how you want. Ignore the facts and continue to call those on the rights haters when it is your side of the aisle who is raging.

    We hate and despise murderers and Jihadi’s who would kill you. We hate people who keep women down and stone them for transgressions. We hate people who throw gays from roof tops and cut off their balls or simply murder them for their beliefs.

    YOU on the other hand HATE US FOR HATING THEM. Who is the real con man? I would propose that it is you. You are either a paid troll or else your whole life is so pathetic that the only satisfaction you can garner in life is to piss other people off.

    On YOU TUBE you can find a million “MY NEIGHBOR FROM HELL” Videos about neighbors who make everyones life miserable. Is that you? Are you one of those guys. Because no matter what is said you twist it and race bait trying to get an angry response.

    Make no mistake. I am not angry with a single thing you say. I use your posts as the obvious reason why the left should be denied power BY THE VOTERS. Yours is an angry world and if not angry then distorted and filled with lies to garner power from the uninformed.

  12. Mangoldielocks says:

    Yes, pity the poor white man, assailed on all sides by girls lying about being groped and raped!
    Vulnerable white men are the new victims! Every white man is now a target!

    More baiting. 70 percent of America is white. No one is saying they are lying. They simply need proof in America. The vote to confirm Kavanaugh was an important step because if we go down the path of the women should always be believed even if it happened 35 years ago and all her witnesses denied it happened and wont corroborate her story it doesn’t matter. You are simply guilty because someone makes a claim with ZERO PROOF and in fact proof exists to the contrary.

    In case you missed it the infamous FBI had one of their agents a friend of FORD who was taught how to lie on a lie detector test so she could become a deep stater tried to persuade witnesses to LIE UNDER OATH.

    ANOTHER REASON WHY THE LEFT needs to be DENIED POWER by the VOTERS. They will stop at nothing including destroying peoples lives to have power. The real Nazi’s and facists in this country are found on the LEFT.

  13. Mangoldielocks says:

    I find it hilarious that Donald Trump was beloved by the left and Hollywood, even to the point of having a star put down on the walk of fame. He was a regular on talk shows and the people in Hollywood absolutely adored the DEMOCRAT TRUMP.

    Then something strange happened. He ran for president, switched parties to the GOP because Obama dared to call him out in public. Bad, bad mistake. Trump is a genius and he made Obama and HRC and the democratic party look like Amateurs, beating them like red headed step children, trolling them and turning them into raging fools. The MSM has been exposed for the absolute in the tank lefties they are. They make up stories about Trump because they can. Even Woodward and Bernstein, once highly respected journalists have lost their collective fuking minds in their bumbling attempt at going after Trump.

    Now you got Kanye West an extremely successful and wealthy BLACK MAN trolling the left and the MSM and the left is now like pirahana’s circling looking to destroy a BLACK MAN WHO WOULD DARE TO DEFY THE LEFTIST NARRATIVE that all blacks are victims.

    Too Funny America. A vote for a Democrat is a vote to further Shackle the poor into ever deepening poverty and hopelessness. With enough Votes in the Senate and the house we can actually get the infrastructure bill passed and get busy rebuilding the inner cities and helping the poor and yes even wall street fund a segment of our population who need help.

    Remember that when you vote in November. A vote for a Republican is a vote for Blacks and Hispanics and the poor because for once in the decades the GOP actually cares about the poor and these people are actually finding GOOD jobs not west coast 15 dollar an hour McDonald jobs that will last until Mickey D will fire them in place of computer screens and robot arms flipping hamburgers.

    • Jethro says:

      “He (tRump) is like a drug that makes people feel better about their misogyny, racism and just hatred in general.”

      • formwiz says:

        Hatred is what motivates Jeffery. He’s a loser in life and he has to make himself feel better by typing nonsense some white guy in New York wrote.

        The misogyny, racism, and just hatred in general is on the editorial page of the Gray Lady.

        • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

          Well of course, you don’t think the nignorant angry little black fella from st. louis can come up with an original thought on his own.
          Like a child he repeats what he reads, without thinking, purely to provoke.
          Plus apparently he hasn’t a life.
          He’s to be pitied.

        • Jethro says:


          You are finally correct about something! Kudos!

          We DO hate the willful ignorance and wanton cruelty that dominates the NuRepublic Party (Party of Trump).

          His followers have taken the characteristics of the bleacher fillers at a prosperity gospel megachurch if run by Adolph Hitler. But Trump sees himself as both your god and your king.

          Your hatred of everyone not like you forces you to make decisions not in your own self-interest. You hate all that are not southern, white, Christian, Con, hetero and undereducated. You hate science because it contradicts many of your beliefs. You are part of a movement that makes you feel good about your privilege and unearned advantages. Your movement is political, is religious, is white chauvinism in the flesh, and is a personality cult.

          Your god-king was a liberal Democrat but saw his only path to power was through you and yours, and he has played you like a fiddle. You now have record debt, record divisiveness, increased trade deficit, we’re hated by the world – and all you had to give up was your future.

          • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:


          • formwiz says:

            Projection, thy name is Leftist.

            It’s willful ignorance and wanton cruelty that dominates the Left. Wanton cruelty that lets them enjoy destroying anybody who disagrees with their revolution. Willful ignorance that requires they be schooled in the basic facts of economics, politics, science (oy!), history, and any other subject one could mention.

            You’re the ones who hate any who disagree. Look at Kanye West, Brother Bret, white women.

            You hate all that are not southern, white, Christian, Con, hetero and undereducated.

            Then how did Trump win PS, WI, and MI? Why are the many so much better educated than you support Trump? Why do 40% of blacks and Hispanics support him? Why do so many Demos WalkAway from their party?

            And Trump didn’t leave the Democrats, he woke up. He realized what the Demos were doing to the Country he loves and decided to do something ab out it. Do you honestly believe, if he wanted to be President as a Democrat he couldn’t have beaten Zippy? Zippy is an ignoramus.

  14. formwiz says:

    We all know Jeffery is the little boy with his finger in the dyke, trying to reassure himself he’s on the winning side.

    He hasn’t got the guts to be an Antifa coward, so he does this for minimum wage.

    Funny part is his business of calling anyone buttercup who dares show him up to make him look smarter and tougher.

    We all ought to take up a collection to send him to camp next summer.

  15. Jethro says:

    You’re part of the Trumpism cult. You’re a Trumpee.


    The group displays unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the binding truth and law.

    Questioning, doubt, critical thinking, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

    Mind-altering practices (chanting (lock her up!), denunciation sessions,) are used in excess to solidify loyalty to the group.

    The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members, as the sole depository of the complete truth. No other belief system is seen as legitimate or useful.

    The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality.

    The group sees itself as persecuted because of its having the truth, and views any criticism from outside as evidence of persecution and thus confirmation of the group’s truth.

    The group fosters either-or, black-and-white views, right-or-wrong thinking, with no allowance for gray areas.

    The leader is not accountable to any authorities or to the members.

    The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary, which may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group.

    The leadership induces feelings of shame, guilt, and/or fear in order to influence and/or control members.

    Members who have difficulties conforming to the group are made to feel that the problems are because of their own failings, and not because of any problems with the group.

    Subservience to the leader or group leads members to cut ties with family and former friends, and to alter radically the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

    The group expends great effort to bring in new members.

    Members are encouraged to report to the leadership group members who are not conforming.

    Leadership uses deception, both to the public and to its own members.

    The group has special vocabulary, a kind of shorthand, or “buzz words” which substitute for actual rational analysis.

    Leadership exerts control over information, discouraging members from getting information from non-group sources.

    • formwiz says:

      You just described yourself and all your little cohorts in excruciating detail. Such a complete void of self-awareness is truly mind-numbing.

      Tell me, do you get paid by the word or by the stupid?

    • Some Hillbilly in St Louis says:

      Physician heal thyself.

      • Liljeffyatemypuppy says:

        The little fella is just regurgitating what he reads at the field negro’s blog.
        Never an original thought as usual.

  16. formwiz says:


    MSLSD is retracting it’s former post and acknowledging that Trump called Grant incredible.

    Another Emily Litella moment.

    Wah wah.

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