The Royal Society Of Climastrology: The Pause Would Have To Last 50 Years For Us To Maybe Believe We Are Wrong

No, really (via Watts Up With That?)

(Breitbart) Attending a speech on climate change in the House of Lords, the Welsh Tory MP spoke about on his surreal experience meeting two men from the Royal Society whom he said had been sent to persuade him and fellow climate realists Peter Lilley MP and John Redwood MP to embrace the idea of man-made climate change. He said that representatives from the Society – often lauded as the most eminent grouping of scientists, founded in the 1600s – told him that they would not change their mind for at least fifty years, regardless of the evidence. (snip)

Speaking of the ‘hiatus’ in global warming that has been observed since the end of the 20th century, and the doubt that it has cast on climate change modelling – points which had been discussed at length at the Global Warming Policy Foundation event – Davies remarked:

“They had two guys whose job it was to go around and persuade everyone that we’re all trying the ruin the economy.

“We pinned them down on this hiatus… they were arguing that yes, there might have been a hiatus, but warming might be going into the ocean, or it could be due to volcanic activity. So we asked at what point would you begin to accept there had been no warming. If there is no warming for five years, or ten years?

“Finally they conceded they would wait fifty years.

“We asked would that be fifty years from now, or fifty years from 1997, when the hiatus started? They said they wouldn’t change their mind for fifty years from now.

“Effectively, we’re all going to be dead before the Royal Society admits they’ve got their facts wrong. There could be absolutely no warming every year for the next fifty years, and the Royal Society would still maintain that climate change is a major problem”.

Of course, even if the Pause lasted another 50 years, Warmists would still find all sorts of intricate excuses. If the world entered another Holocene cool period, the Cult of Climastrology would blame that on Mankind. Why? Again, this whole movement has nothing to do with science, it is about pushing a far left Progressive (nice fascist) agenda, which would include greater and greater control of people, private entities, and economies.

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12 Responses to “The Royal Society Of Climastrology: The Pause Would Have To Last 50 Years For Us To Maybe Believe We Are Wrong”

  1. John says:

    May was hottest ever recorded Looks like this is going to be another record breaking year in the “pause”

  2. Liam Thomas says:

    We are in a full blown El Nino right now. In fact this one is a real doozy. Whenever you get El Nino’s you get heavy rains across the south and midwest….just like we have been having.

    When El Nino is not present we get heavy rainfall in the northern parts of the nation and canada.

    The interesting fact about El Nino is the amount of heat it pulls out of the oceans. Now El Nino’s have been happening for millenia, the difference today is that we are measuring 1/10ths of degrees and declaring the apocalypse.

    The question I continue to have for people is that if we basically had 220- 280 PPM of co2 and all the ice melted and all the massive MILE DEEP GLACIERS RECEEDED….how did that happen with such low co2 levels in the air?

    Unfortunately for the AGW crowd you have selected the wrong silver bullet to stake all your claims on.

    To see what 400 PPM of CO2 will be like all we have to do is study the Plicene epoch.

    The Pliocene is the geologic era between five million and three million years ago. Scientists have come to regard it as the most recent period in history when the atmosphere’s heat-trapping ability was as it is now and thus as our guide for things to come.

    Recent estimates suggest CO2 levels reached as much as 415 parts per million (ppm) during the Pliocene. With that came global average temperatures that eventually reached 3 or 4 degrees C (5.4-7.2 degrees F) higher than today’s and as much as 10 degrees C (18 degrees F) warmer at the poles. Sea level ranged between five and 40 meters (16 to 131 feet) higher than today.

    So Here we are….409 PPM of CO2 and this is whats going to happen to the world IF CO2 is the culprit…..

    We are in fact doomed….the oceans are going to rise 131 feet and the planet will become a vast wasteland.

    All because of Co2.

  3. drowningpuppies says:

    But, dude, anomalies and shit,…?

  4. jl says:

    “May was the hottest ever recorded.” John takes the drama queen award this week. John, as I’m sure you know, when they say “the hottest”, it only means since 1880 or so. Sorry about the pesky 4 billion year old earth thing- which is why a few hottest, or coldest years out of 135 means… nothing. Hence, the drama queen award.

  5. Hoss says:

    jl, that’s why those morons never cease to amaze me. They laughed amongst themselves saying that Palin thought the Earth was only 2,500 (although she never said that: imagine that, the left having to lie to further their narrative), yet these geniuses act like it’s only 130 years old. You really can’t fix stupid.

  6. Jeffery says:

    j & Hoss,

    Based on the best available evidence the current warming period is likely the warmest in human history. There were no humans millions of years ago. Human civilization is only about ten thousand years old (The Holocene). More importantly, it’s going to continue to warm.

    So yes, the warmest time period during human history is significant.

    You really can’t fix stupid.

  7. Liam Thomas says:

    The question I continue to have for people is that if we basically had 220- 280 PPM of co2 and all the ice melted and all the massive MILE DEEP GLACIERS RECEEDED….how did that happen with such low co2 levels in the air?

    Yet as Ive listed the most recent epoch in which co2 was at or around 400 ppm was a bake oven.

    So we have two things working against the AGW theory.

    1. Historically LOW c02 and the ICE MELTED and the planet warmed….how did that happen with low co2?

    2. Historically the last epoch that had an average of 400 PPM of CO2 the planet was a bake oven, the oceans were 131 feet higher then today and it was at least on average 5c warmer then today. Even the Mediterranean Ocean was a savannah instead of an ocean. How come were not a bake oven today since we have the same PPM of C02 as the Pliocene epoch had for most of its 2 million year life span?

  8. Jeffery says:

    Actually you’ve had a 1000 questions…

    And you know the answers to your next two, but have decided to be a propagandist.

    1. Historically LOW c02 and the ICE MELTED and the planet warmed….how did that happen with low co2?

    Milankovich cycle.

    How come were not a bake oven today since we have the same PPM of C02 as the Pliocene epoch had for most of its 2 million year life span?

    Because it takes a long time to melt the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica. Climate is a long term process and the Earth does not respond immediately. But you knew all that.

  9. Liam Thomas says:

    Take a gander at this chart. It was prepared by the IPCC in their 2007 report.

    I want you to notice a couple things.

    1. It measures co2, Methane, Nitrous Oxide in the air at any given snap shot of time.

    2. It also in the grey vertical bars highlights the 5 interglacials we have had during this time reference.

    3. The bottom DARK grey line shows ice build up. Yes for all you folks who have been wondering about acidity in the oceans and why we study REEFS…..acidity is correlated in the dark grey line at the bottom of the graph as researched from several stacks of benthicq18O….or in other words we have been able to determine ice build up based off of the acidity build up in reefs.

    Notice here that as acid builds up in reefs the bottom dark grey line that the planet enters a warm phase each of the last 5 interglacial warm periods….perfectly….How does the ocean gain acidity? By inhaling CO2.

    Notice additonally that in harmony as the ice increases the co2, nitrous oxide and methane receede as well. When we enter an interglacial warming….the ice QUICKLY receeds, and the c02, nitrous oxide and methane quickly rise.

    Now for an explanation that the AGW scientist refuse to discuss.

    MAN was non existent during the last 800,000 years and yet their pretty little graph follows Mother natures que almost exactly including the current Interglacial.

    Each time we have an Interglacial it is preceeded by a rather HUGE (geologically speaking) rise in CO2, Nitrous Oxide and Methane. Subsequently the ice melts and receeds.

    If you look at the graph you will see that each interglacial and each ice age is almost a mirror image of the other.

    Yet the IPCC and the science is settled group claim that it is only CO2 that is reponsible for our current warming….when it quite clearly is not.

    If as I proposed that you look at the Pliocene epoch which had an average of 415 PPM of CO2 for nearly 2 million years the earth was a savanah. But how could a mere 415 ppm of co2 cause the earth to be a desert?

    I mean after all we are at 409 PPM and we are not a desert. Remember the Pliocene was a good 3-7 degrees warmer then today and the poles were at least 10-18 degrees warmer then today.

    Now add this to the conclusion reached by the Santa Barbra School of Oceanography report they did several years back which concluded that when the PPM of CO2 as over 4000ppm for 100,000 years only 40 percent of the Greenland Ice sheet melted.

    and you have a conundrum….is co2 really a driver of global warming. I can only conclude that the answer is no. It might be a contributor but is it the main driver?

    NO…Historical records prove that it is NOT the driver but only a bit player in the grand scheme of mother nature.

    So the question in the skeptics mind is just what is driving the warming? And why has each Warming period been more intense then the next?

  10. Liam Thomas says:

    So much to talk about. We could spend a semester discussing this chart….in fact I know of some classes that do research papers on this chart…….

    However lets look at the black line for a minute.

    That is Deuterium. What is Deuterium?

    Im glad you asked. Deuterium is a heavy hydrogen molecule

    This heavier isotope will condense more readily as temperatures decrease and falls as precipitation, while the lighter isotope can fall in even colder conditions.

    As we drill samples(Jeffery asked me how I get my temperature data if I dont rely on NOAA….well her I am explaining it) As we drill core samples we test for heavy Hydrogen which indicates temperature….So believe it or not we are not just looking for CO2 when we drill core samples.

    It is this deuterium that gives a pretty sound idea of what the temperatures were like historically in paleoclimatology.

    Now looking at the graph…notice that with each grey vertical line or interglacial warm period the temperatures SPIKED rather Rapidly early in the Warm period and then began receeding over the course of the warm period.

    Notice too that this current warm period is not even nearly as warm as the proceeding 4 interglacials going back 400,000 years.

    So here is the conundrum for the AGW boys….how do you explain all this away in order to peg CO2 and fossil fuels as the Colonel Mustard in the dining room?

    Pay close attention to the black line….

    Thats real important fellahs….

    why you ask?

    Because the current interglacial is actually MILDER then the proceeding 4 interglacials as far as temperature and yet its readings in methane, co2 and Nitrous Oxide are nearly identical with the other four.

    And now you know why Im a skeptic. Scientifically there can be no denying the earth is warming….but to blame it on co2 and even more hysterical to believe that this is an apocalytic warming historically and geologically is pure bunk…this is actually so far a very mild interglacial.

  11. Liam Thomas says:

    And Now finally lets look at the time reference for each interglacial as indicated by the grey vertical lines in our IPCC 2007 chart.

    400k years ago the interglacial lasted roughly 23k years.

    320k years ago the interglacial lasted roughly 18k years.

    240k years ago the interglacial lasted about 6k years.

    120k years ago the interglacial lasted about 13k years.

    Todays current interglacial started about 12k years ago…..

    Now lets look at some paleoclimatoglogy evidence of the current Holocene epoch.

    Much of Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinent are under the strong influence of an annual climatic cycle known as the Indian Ocean monsoon.

    Monsoon intensity has varied dramatically over time. Abundant evidence exists for large variations in monsoon intensity during the Holocene Epoch

    Paleontological and paleoecological studies show that large portions of the region experienced much greater precipitation during the early Holocene (11,700–6,000 years ago) than today.

    Lake and wetland sediments dating to this period have been found under the sands of parts of the Sahara Desert.

    PAY ATTENTION! These sediments contain fossils of elephants, crocodiles, hippopotamuses, and giraffes, together with pollen evidence of forest and woodland vegetation.

    In arid and semiarid parts of Africa, Arabia, and India, large and deep freshwater lakes occurred in basins that are now dry or are occupied by shallow, saline lakes. Civilizations based on plant cultivation and grazing animals, such as the Harappan civilization of northwestern India and adjacent Pakistan, flourished in these regions, which have since become arid.

    In other words….long before mankind even knew what a fossil fuel was the planet was changing….their were massive droughts and floods. Even Abraham was forced out of Israel into Egpyt where they became slaves because of DROUGHT.

    Lands that were once deserts now flourish and lands that were once oasis are now deserts……

    this all happened long before man burnt anything other then a local campfire and co2 was…….


    C02 was 220-280 PPM.

    If people understand the entire historical concept of weather and civilization and science and put them together you will understand that co2 is NOT a driver of weather… is only a bit player and usually a result of weather changes not the cause of said weather changes.

    Okay Im done….I doubt anyone will read this anyway.

  12. Liam Thomas says:

    Milankovich cycle.

    And Bingo. This my friend brings us back to the Dansgaard–Oeschger events and if you recall these are rapid climate fluctuations that occurred 25 times during the last glacial period.

    The Last Glacial Period started roughly 125k years ago.

    Now Milankovich Cycles occur in varying frequencies depending upon which measurment your looking at….from 25k years all the way out to 100k years.

    Yet Unexplained in all this is sudden warming periods that do not correspond to any cycle of the Milankovich theory and heavily invested in these D-0 events is the Heinrich event.

    If you know what your looking for on the graph that the IPCC conviently uses for the last 800k years you can see the rapid increases in temperature.

    Now when you superimpose the Milankovich cycle on the IPCC graph the interesting thing you will note is that with each passing century the temperature drop is less and less up to the current day.

    Indicating a general overall warming of the planet that is not being negated by the the Milankovich cycle nor by any inordinate amounts of CO2 or other greenhouse gases…..because as we all know the co2 for the last 800 years was between 220-280 ppm….even though it wasnt and in fact the Dansgaard–Oeschger events quite clearly in core samples show a larger then normal release of co2, methane and Nitrous Oxide.

    This Cycle when compared to the Vostock Ice core data continues to show an overall warming of the planet and that each plunge in overall temperature is less each time it happens…..

    Meaning that the planet is warming generally over the last 800k years. The question is why?

    One thing that continues to be overlooked is that our sun is a relatively young sun and it is getting hotter each day…..literally and while it certainly is not measurable daily it can be easily seen that the falling temperatures have actually fallen less and less with the passing of the last 800k years.

    This is even more pronounced if you go back millions of years and look at the lowest of lows and the highest of highs…..

    But the IPCC and the AGW crowd wants to only look at the last 800k years for two reasons.

    1. The co2 during this entire time minus many rejected readings over 400ppm was in the 220-280 range….this lays a baseline in which to cry wolf at the 400 ppm we face today.

    2. Too many choices make the data too hard to explain.

    So while Milankovich cycles might explain to some degree why ice would melt with co2 of less then 400, it also shows that the planet is continually warming. Why would it do that if the co2 remained constant at the 220-280ppm range?

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