Progressives: Govt Shouldn’t Censor Misinformation, They Should “Mandate Evidentiary Standards”

Here we have “Julia Belluz, a health reporter at Vox and Dr. John Lavis, a professor at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada. Together, they worked on the Global Commission on Evidence to Address Societal Challenges.” In other words, people who don’t really do anything, they just like telling Other People how to live their lives, and the NY Times is happy to post their screed

Getting Rid of Joe Rogan Won’t Solve the Health Misinformation Problem

Another week, another platform in trouble for allowing its talent to give voice to misinformation. This time, Joe Rogan suggested that the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are a type of “gene therapy” and that young people are at a greater risk from the shots than the disease, among other false and dubious health claims featured on his popular, Spotify-hosted podcast. The calls to remove his podcast have only intensified after revelations that he’s also repeatedly used a racist slur on the show, leading Spotify’s chief to apologize to the company’s employees.

The best outcome of the scandal wouldn’t be that Mr. Rogan was kicked off Spotify, at least not for the health bunk. It would be seeing his misleading Covid content in context: It’s just a tiny drop in the ocean of online health nonsense. (snip)

The problem is so much bigger than Joe Rogan or Spotify. And platforms, lawmakers and regulators aren’t keeping up.

Why should they, unless it is seriously putting people’s lives directly, immediately, at stake? Of course, in Liberal World, that “at stake” is capricious, transitional, spasmodic, always ever changing on a whim. They’re perfectly fine with the notion that Bush made/let happen 9/11, despite all the evidence against it. They were perfectly fine with things like Bush stole the 2000 election. That Trump stole the 2016 election due to Russia, which was debunked. That teaching people that it’s fine to believe you’re the opposite sex, despite the massive mental and physical health issues associated is just fine.

The piece even takes on lots of the crazy stuff at Amazon, from books to supplements to products. And crazy stuff at Netflix and Apple TV, like Gwyneth Paltrow’s Goop crap and other “documentaries”.

It’s clear that misinformation harms human health, stokes panic, wastes money and leads people to miss opportunities to pursue options that could have helped. But the new fire hose of bunk is also harming us in less obvious ways. It’s hitting our fractured societies — and, we believe, contributing to further polarization.

It’s a free society, chumps, something we know you don’t like. Now do transgenders taking away opportunities from real women, harming their lives. Teaching kindergarteners about anal sex. Those are real issues.

…Instead, we need to prevent false or misleading health claims from reaching millions of people in the first place.

Doing this won’t be easy. It will require a mix of strategies, tailored to different platforms and groups. E-commerce sites like Amazon could introduce content warnings or adjust their pricing and ranking algorithms for health products and books that have been flagged for misinformation. Governments could also step in and mandate evidentiary standards for a broader range of health statements than the pharmaceutical and food claims they currently regulate.

See? It’s not censorship. How about mandating evidentiary standards for everything done during COVID, rather than simply watching government freak and just slap restrictions on?

Many Blue states are looking to remove mask mandates for some reason. Oh, and

Suddenly Dems want to consider natural immunity, after blowing it off since Biden took office and was pushing the vaccines, which, if you remember, were supposed to stop people from having and spreading COVID at the high 90% range. What do the vaccines do now?

We also need approaches that would have an impact across the web, like raising the stakes for health professionals who, as two health care experts fighting disinformation wrote, are “weaponizing their white coats” to mislead the public. Right now, state medical regulatory bodies focus on individual patient encounters, not the role doctors might play as healers for the masses. The American Medical Association has commented occasionally on public-facing physicians, yet while doctor disinformation has only worsened in the pandemicfew physicians have been reprimanded by their state boards.

And go after doctors engaged in Wrongthink. Which is basically whatever the Progressives are against.

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28 Responses to “Progressives: Govt Shouldn’t Censor Misinformation, They Should “Mandate Evidentiary Standards””

  1. drowningpuppies says:

    What do the vaccines do now?

    Uh…
    Lausen said he had calculated that based on the accounting data from German hospitals, the jabs have led to an alarming incidence of serious side effects that have required medical intervention.

    https://en-volve.com/2022/02/06/new-data-from-germany-shows-cases-of-serious-injury-from-the-vax-have-increased-over-2000/

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  2. alanstorm says:

    It’s clear that misinformation harms human health, stokes panic, wastes money and leads people to miss opportunities to pursue options that could have helped.

    And yet the government and its media allies keep pumping out Used Food…

  3. CarolAnn says:

    Let me see if I’ve got this straight. “It’s clear that misinformation harms human health, stokes panic, wastes money and leads people to miss opportunities to pursue options that could have helped.” which is exactly what we have been telling the political promoters of Covid panic since Jan., 2020.

    The left really, really have a problem with both self perception and projection. There must be a psychological cause for this.

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  5. Hairy says:

    TX and CA have equal total covid deaths.
    But Ci has a much larger population by 10 million. Do vaccines masks and mandates work? Look at the results and tell me.
    Free speech is not absolute. Yku can nit yell fire in a crowded theater. Shoud you be allowed to lie about covid?
    And that co-morbidity b.s. have you ever heard a defense attorney say at a murder trial”yeah my client shot him but that guy had cancer or heart problems, or etc. He was bound to die anyway”

    • david7134 says:

      John,
      Your knowledge of medicine is pathetic. Besides, your comment does not make sense. And no, the mask are useless and if the vaccines work it is not the role of government to mandate a vaccine that is radically different from any used before and with side effect profiles that are little known, much less results.

    • Down on the Corner says:

      Hairy is now stuck on deaths. Before it was cases, then it was hospital workers, then it was fear and loathing in Los Angeles.

      The facts are simple. In the last 28 days California has had 2.6 million cases vs 1.3 million cases in Texas.

      Texas is open, free and thriving.

      California is locked down with Vax and maxipad mandates, including mask mandates and hiding from the sun.

      The simple facts are that the left is using Covid SCIENCE in the same way they use AGW SCIENCE. Beat you over the head with it and threaten anyone who disagrees with them. When people are told they MUST buy an electric car, put Solar on their roofs and freeze in the winter and burn up in the summer.

      They will be coming for the scientists who are telling all these lies for political gain and personal profit.

    • L.G.Brandon!, L.G.Brandon! says:

      Hairy: “Free speech is not absolute. Yku can nit yell fire in a crowded theater. Shoud you be allowed to lie about covid?”

      Sorry Hairy but free speech is an absolute and you can yell “fire” in a crowded theatre. I’ve done it. And I’m a fireman. What is not absolute is your right to force others to say and do what you want. I know that pisses you commies off but tuff tit.

      Laws in the USA should not be made with the intent of oppressing the citizens even if you don’t like those citizens or even disagree with them, Hairy. If the masks and “vaccine” worked there would be no more Covid. Period. If the masks worked you couldn’t pull one of Pelousey’s face with a tow truck. Yet the only time she (and the rest of you leftist liars) put one on is when the cameras start rolling, sometimes. If the “vaccine” actually worked people would be lined up to get it. They would be selling it on street corners. Like drugs.

      IF IT WASN’T A SCAM YOU WOULDN’T HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO COMPLY.

      Just stop already Hairy. Everybody knows and the hoax is over.

      Let’s go Brandon, the next lie to keep power needs to be forced onto the public.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Brandon,

        No, speech is not absolute. Yes, one can say whatever they like but they may have to suffer consequences, for example being sued for defamation. Or being wrestled to the floor for maliciously shouting “bomb” at the airport.

        If you want to protest gov’t actions by blasting an air horn nonstop, you will likely be forced to stop and/or arrested for disturbing the peace.

        Let’s say you dislike a commenter on the interwebs and decide to protest in front of their house screaming obscenities at the top of your lungs all night long and brandishing your perfectly legal AR-15. Local police can arrest you for violating noise restrictions, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, criminal mischief etc. Good luck getting a lawyer to take your case to the Supremes to argue that gov’t is violating your 1st Amendment rights!

        In fact you can’t ALWAYS get what you want. Even “sovereign citizens” are subject to the laws of the land. Sorry.

  6. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    The response to mis- and disinformers such as Rogan, Teach, Hoft and Liar Tuck is calling them out for their lies and then supplying the truth.

    We know, we know, “you” think that those guys are telling the truth. They’re not.

    • Down on the corner says:

      Dowd, it’s clear you have not listened to a single podcast of Joe Rogan. He is a leftist. He believes in universal healthcare. He believes in Universal income. He is pro-choice. He is a leftist.

      What he is not, is political. He is a comedian who talks to people for 3 hours about a range of things. He believes in freedom of speech. Something I can see increasingly in you and the left hate and despise if it does not meet your criteria of what is acceptable.

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Dotc: you have not listened to a single podcast of Joe Rogan

        And I probably never will. I have no issue with Rogan’s job. Like Rush Limbaugh was, he’s an entertainer like Stormy Daniels, Paris Hilton, Ron Jeremy, Kanye, Greg Gutfield, Jim Hoft, etc. Unfortunately, many people believe that what they say is true and accurate. The solution is not to stop them from practicing their trade, but to correct their lies. People have long made money saying, writing and filming outrageous things.

        Rogan was entertaining in NewsRadio and Fear Factor, but no, I don’t listen to his radio show or podcasts, or for that matter, any podcasts. I’m not even sure what a podcast is.

        The 1st Amendment does not immunize speakers or writers from criticism. Surely you’re not suggesting that criticizing some of Rogan’s comments violate the 1st Amendment, are you? Spotify is a business intent on making a profit and can conduct their business as they see fit, consistent with the laws. If Spotify chooses to restrict some of Rogan’s shows because they may be racist or sexist, that’s their right. If other artists don’t wish to be associated with Rogan that’s their right as well. (But I suspect few Spotify listeners have heard of the 76 yr old Neil Young anyway – looking at the popular songs one sees a lot of Bieber, Ed Sheeran, DJ Snake(?), Rihanna, Drake, Weeknd, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry etc.)

        • drowningpuppies says:

          Rimjob, dipshit that he is, has never listened to Joe Rogan yet still calls him a liar.
          Typical libtard.

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          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            Suckingpuppies, dog fellatrix that he is, is still filled to the brim with shit.
            Typical conservatard, listening to shit 3 hrs a day.

            Get a job. Stay away from dogs.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Aw, play nice Rimjob.
            Why are you so upset?
            If the truth hurts just don’t respond.

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          • Elwood P. Dowd says:

            puppysucker,

            The truth hurts too much? Boo Hoo, you whimpering little pup.

            If you don’t like getting whacked with a rolled-up paper, don’t respond.

            You’re mama says get a job!

          • drowningpuppies says:

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    • drowningpuppies says:

      Rimjob on truth.
      Tell us about joining the Army again.

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      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Suckingpuppies,

        For the hundredth time, I volunteered for the US Army in the early seventies and they said no.

        And for the hundredth time, NO, NO, bad dog, you cannot sniff my ass.

        • drowningpuppies says:

          Well it’s about fucking time you owned up to your rejection. Too fat, right?
          You still lied. Repeatedly.
          If true, why has it taken you 5 years to admit it?

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  7. Down on the Corner says:

    Yelling fire? Again the Left and Hairy continue to spread disinformation.

    First, it’s important to note U.S. v. Schenck had nothing to do with fires or theaters or false statements. Instead, the Court was deciding whether Charles Schenck, the Secretary of the Socialist Party of America, could be convicted under the Espionage Act for writing and distributing a pamphlet that expressed his opposition to the draft during World War I.

    The SCOTUS case never ruled on yelling fire in a theatre and the quote was ancillary to the case being tried. Non the less the Socialist who was protesting ww1 peacefully lost and went to prison.

    That same year two more protestors suffered the same fate using the same concept of yelling fire in a crowded theatre.

    in 1969 The law was struck down.

    In 1969, the Supreme Court’s decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio effectively overturned Schenck and any authority the case still carried. There, the Court held that inflammatory speech–and even speech advocating violence by members of the Ku Klux Klan–is protected under the First Amendment unless the speech “is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action”

    Hence Hairy please stop spreading Fake news as another poster here claims. You can in fact yell fire in a crowded thearter as long as you don’t mind being beaten to death by angry movie goers.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      DotC: You can in fact yell fire in a crowded thearter as long as you don’t mind being beaten to death by angry movie goers.

      The crowd is not your greatest risk unless you get trampled to death, but if you yelled fire to cause the stampede you can be charged with any number of local crimes, e.g., disturbing the peace, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct, even manslaughter if someone dies from your act. Our 1st Amendment does not protect you in that case. Good luck getting relief from the courts on constitutional grounds.

      If there was a fire, you could be a hero. If you believed there was a fire you are likely OK, if an idiot.

  8. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    The vaccinated but anti-vax Teach: What do the vaccines do now?

    The vaccines slow the spread of Covid and reduce the likelihood of hospitalization to nearly zero. Like any anti-viral vaccine the vaccines can be less effective against subsequent viral mutants. That can also apply to natural immunity, too, e.g., natural immunity doesn’t protect well against common colds – caused predominantly by rhinoviruses, but also RSV, coronaviruses and adenoviruses.

    Right-wing anti-vaxxers whine that the long-term effects of the vaccines are unknown. Eminent immunologist and virologist Joe Rogan even falsely claimed the vaccines are actually “gene therapy”. The long term effects of Covid virus infection (so-called Long Covid or Post-Acute Covid) are known and some are not very good.

    Some suffer from loss of mental acuity, debilitating fatigue, dyspnea (shortness of breath), and sense of smell or taste altered. Other symptoms can include mood changes, heart palpitations and dizziness.

    Research suggests 10% or more of Covid patients develop Long Covid.

    Although the right-wing media lies constantly about the safety of the vaccines, the safety record is similar to other vaccines. Americans have received hundreds of millions of injections. The reports of elite athletes dropping dead from the vaccines are false.

  9. L.G.Brandon!, L.G.Brandon! says:

    dOwd: “Although the right-wing media lies constantly about the safety of the vaccines, the safety record is similar to other vaccines.”

    First there is no “right-wing media” to speak of. Almost all media of all genre are far, far left and have been for decades. You know this fact yet you still bitch and complain about the few that do exist. Seems your arguments can’t stand the light of truth so you fascists try and shut down, de platform or censor every contrary view “by any means necessary.” So when it comes to lies in the media what tops “Russia, Russia, Russia”? What can compete with a 70 year propaganda program about man made global warming that cannot and has not been proven and from which every single prediction has been false? What could be more diabolical than the media joining at the hip with a corrupt political party having been taken over by far leftist to suppress and intimidate the average citizen into fear and panic about a disease with a 98.7% recovery?

    Now address how a “safe” vaccine is not a vaccine at all. Explain why if this fake vaccine is safe they need blanket protection from law suits for resultant medical problems, birth defects and deaths occurring from using said “safe vaccine”? And describe why a vaccine so wonderful that it neither protects the person receiving it from the disease nor stops its spread must be mandated in the first place. Do you think if the Bubonic Plague was going around the government and their toadies would have to mandate a vaccine? I doubt it.

    This fake vaccine has neither been properly tested nor has the truth of the results of the little testing that has been done been reported accurately or truthfully. It’s almost as if the government, NIH, CDC and coconspirators have something to hide. Also there has not been enough time (5 years minimum) to thoroughly test the medium and long term side effects. You know that yet still try to convince people to take an untested, uncleared chemical into their bodies with no medical or legal remedy if you’re wrong. That’s Mengele level evil right there. Especially when you leftists are so intense to jab children who not only have almost no reason to fear Covid but who could be physically compromised in many ways from this untested drug. That’s where you leftists have revealed your hand. You couldn’t care less about the medium or long term effects of this drug you care only about the exercise of power and the ability to force compliance. Only thugs and fascists would force children to be given untested drugs. Are you a thug dOwd? A fascist? We think both. You’re a dangerous person especially to women and children and a curse upon free people everywhere.

    You also need to explain why idiots like yourself find it necessary to describe people who for whatever reason refuse this fake Covid vaccine as “anti vaxxers” when you are quite aware they have been vaccinated from several other diseases it’s Covid and the fake vax they have a problem with? So you find since you can’t win the argument you must paint them as either evil or stupid “anti-vaxers” knowing that’s a lie. We call that disinformation which is something we don’t get on those “right wing media sites”.

    Now go back to sucking Fauci or Soros’s dick and leave the good people alone you evil son of a bitch.

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Brandon,

      Far-right anti-vaxxers are killing themselves to “own the libs”. Great plan.

      Do you feel the fact that the dead and dying are almost all unvaccinated is a lie?

      Brandon: describe people who for whatever reason refuse this fake Covid vaccine as “anti vaxxers” when you are quite aware they have been vaccinated from several other diseases

      See above. It’s a new world for the nuRight whose only objective today is to “own the libs”. If the libs/doctors/Dems are for it, you’re “agin it”. Period. Some right-wingers have gone so far as to claiming this is a liberal plot to have GOP voters die!

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Brandon,

      Here’s the deal. If the shoe were on the other foot, and libs were killing themselves by not getting vaccinated, nuCons would say, “If your enemy is committing suicide, let them!”.

      But the pollyannish Dem/libs still want to save lives, even the lives of GOP voters.

      People such as you are willing to lie, willing to sacrifice those of your own tribe, to own the libs. Good plan. Only a cult would condone human sacrifice. YOU are killing people. Sleep well.

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