What happens? We’ll see. Because Iran wanted Vance as the negotiator
Iran wanted to negotiate with Vance. They got their wish
When JD Vance arrives in Islamabad for talks on Saturday with Iranian officials, it will fulfill a wish for ?Tehran’s remaining leaders, some of whom have quietly sought the U.S. vice president to take a lead role in negotiations to end the war, according to several sources familiar with the matter.
Iran ?views Vance as one of the most anti-war figures in President Donald Trump’s inner circle, said one regional official and four people familiar with the talks.
That reputation, long a fixture of his political brand, has led Tehran to believe Vance is the most likely among Trump’s close associates to seek a deal in good faith, said the sources, who requested anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters.
There is no indication Vance would adopt a more accommodating negotiating stance than any other representative sent by Trump, who has threatened to renew the ?U.S. bombing campaign if talks fail.
Trump certainly doesn’t want war, but, he certainly doesn’t want a nuclear armed Iran. And he’s of an age where he remembers 1979, and the start of the Islamic jihadism in Iran, the hatred of Israel and the U.S., the start of the killings and terrorism and abuse of Iran’s citizens
Vance arrives in Pakistan for talks with Iranian officials to shore up shaky cease-fire
A US delegation led by Vice President JD Vance arrived in Pakistan on Saturday for high-level talks with Iranian representatives, the first such meeting since the war began more than a month ago that will test whether they can shore up a fragile cease-fire and pave the way for peace.
The cease-fire brokered by Pakistan still faces hurdles in the talks beginning Saturday, as Israel and Hezbollah militants have traded fire along the border of southern Lebanon and Iran has set conditions before negotiations can begin.
The Iranian delegation arrived early Saturday in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, led by Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf, who said on X that discussions will only take place if there is an Israeli cease-fire in Lebanon and the release of blocked Iranian assets.
President Trump has posted repeatedly about the negotiations on social media, saying Iranian officials “have no cards.”
He accused them of using the Strait of Hormuz, a key artery for global energy supplies, for extortion.
That is Iran’s only card remaining in the deck, other than their support of terrorist groups like Hamas, the Houthis, and, Hezbollah in Lebanon. Stop pushing the terrorism, stop attacking the US and Israel, stop trying to get a nuclear weapon. Open up your society, stop treating women as 2nd class citizens and chattel, and everything could get much better for Iran.
And now we wait to see what happens, if Iran will be reasonable. And if Democrats want Iran to come out on top, simply because they hate Trump to the point of taking Iran’s side.
The Iranians wanted someone with a modicum of understanding AND some responsibility to the American people rather than a pair of real estate developers looking to build Trump Tower-Tehran.
Reportedly, Vance also brought along some actual experts on Iran! Fancy that!
The Strait of Hormuz was open before trump spent $40 billion bombing Iran back into the Stone Age and ending the civilization! Nukes were not imminent. Iran was not attacking the U.S.
Mr Teach implores Iran: “Open up your society, stop treating women as 2nd class citizens!” Good idea, but should the U.S. bomb every nation that is “closed” and/or “treat women as second class citizens”, hoping to change their regime?
Brilliant “logic”, Rimjob.
Wonder why nobody thought about that.
Now get back to your sandbox.
The distinguished Mr Dowd wrote:
The goal must be to push Iran to keep their internal politics internally, so stop supporting external terrorism and terrorist groups. Yes, we care about how the Islamists treat their own people, but the Taliban in Afghanistan are even worse than the Iranian leadership.
You won’t like it at all, but Rudyard Kipling wrote about it, calling it the White Man’s Burden to civilize the rest of the world. We enjoy the fruits of Western civilization, but so many Westerners, including our American leftists, believe that the world can enjoy the industrial fruits of Western civilization without including our Western culture, as they continually trash our civilization on their First World communication and toys, with no appreciation of what brought those tools to them. It’s very much like Karl Marx’s fantasy that once capitalism was developed enough, the entire working class would convert to socialism and be able to convert the fruits of capitalism to the ridiculous notion that the workers would all share and share alike.
We’ve all seen how good and noble and charitable the Dictatorship of the Proletariat turned out to be!
Oh, our good friends on the left never attack Western civilization by name. Nope! They use euphemisms like “white supremacy” and “Christian nationalism” and “Zionism”, to try to make Western civilization sound like a terrible thing, but we know what they mean.
White christian males were created by God (who is white!) to rule.
The Chinamen, Koreans and Japs have done OK. So have the Islams of Saudi Arabia and surrounding!
The Europeans had the gumption, lack of morality and good fortune to sail and conquer Africa, the Americas, and parts of Asia. For whatever reason, farming (wheat!!) and domesticated meat animals (cattle) pulled the middle east out of hunter-gathering lifestyle first!!
Our good friends on the far right were born on third and believe they hit a triple!!
And now our American right disparage the Europeans responsible for the good fortune they now have!
And just like that Rimjob proves Dana’s point.
Such a putz.
Our esteemed host wrote:
We already know that our socialist from St Louis wants Iran to win somehow. As for the Democrats in general, any concession, any concession at all, however small it might be, by the United States will be trumpeted by the Dems in general, and Messrs Dowd and smith² as President Trump having lost, lost, lost.
Iran, reasonable? It’s simple: we’re already two or three tiers down in the leadership which are still alive, and don’t quite know how many of them are ready to meet their 72 bacha bazi boys. Their smartest move is to find some small, face-saving concession they can win, and promise to stop supporting external terrorist organizations — whether they mean it or otherwise — and turn their energies into internal rebuilding, at least until January 20, 2029, when they might reasonably hope that a Democratic squish becomes President.
…if democrats want Iran to come out on top.
IF???
Bwaha! Lolgf!
MAGA47 Mullahfuckers!
Our neoNazi from KY wants the U.S. to continue being stupid. We want Don D Mento to pay attention the the U.S.
The Strait of Hormuz was open. The nuclear program had been obliterated. Gas was $2.89/gal. They were negotiating.
And then the demented dumbass got bored and decded to attack Iran!! How’d that work out? NO regime change. 10s of Billions of $ flushed down the drain. Oil sky high. Don made a horrible decision.
The U.S. has a single ally – Israel.
And again Rimjob proves Dana’s point.
Will he ever stop?
One major, major factor has changed in warfare. This is really the first war we’ve seen in which we can go over the heads of the soldiers in the field and strike directly at the leadership of the enemies. It took years before Berlin and Tokyo came within reasonable bombing range, and even then we lacked the precision munitions to strike directly at the leadership. Now we’ve demonstrated the capability to destroy the leadership directly without having to go through hundreds of thousands of enemy soldiers first, but while Iran currently lacks the same capacity themselves, eventually the rogue nations of the world will develop such capabilities.
Very likely that the Iranians watched the Biden precedent and think the American system is for the VP to collect the bribes.
Hormuz Update: U.S. Navy Clearing Mines in Strait
Bwaha!