Some Warmists Pushing For A “Teal New Deal”

Why teal? And do they think this will have any more chance of passing than the Green New Deal, which Democrats refuse to vote on?

Surf and turf: Green new deal should be a ‘teal new deal’

Debates around the Green New Deal have largely centered around climate change concerns on land. But a group of scientists are calling on policymakers to include oceans in the deal.

The Green New Deal is a legislative proposal to tackle climate change and boost the economy, while also supporting equity and social justice.

“There is an opportunity to enact policy that can make meaningful change to help our country both economically and environmentally,” said San Diego State University ecologist Rebecca Lewison, one of the co-authors of a new paper on the subject. “It’s critical that oceans are part of that policy framework.”

It’s almost like this really has nothing to do with science and everything to do with Modern Socialist politics.

Integrating Oceans into Climate Policy: Any Green New Deal Needs a Splash of Blue” was published in April in Conservation Letters. Lead authors are Lewison, whose work focuses on sustainable resource and land use, and Arielle Levine, an SDSU geographer specializing in human-environment interactions in marine and coastal systems, in collaboration with Oregon State University environmental economist Steven Dundas.

The authors recommend a policy that integrates terrestrial and ocean approaches to create a robust portfolio of climate adaptation and mitigation measures supporting communities, the environment and the economy.

And that’s why it’s teal, and it still looks like this is mostly about politics. Giving government even more power. Controlling the economy and people.

“As we come out of this pandemic, policymakers will be looking for ways to jump start the economy, and we have a unique opportunity to develop policies that promote economic development in an environmentally sustainable manner,” Levine said. “Including the oceans in Green New Deal policies will expand opportunities for sustainable economic development in both inland and coastal communities, while addressing the ongoing threat of climate change that we can’t ignore.”

Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh? They want to implement controls on shipping, fishing, anything involving the seas, along with more wind turbines in the oceans. Which is interesting, since so many liberal coastal cities invoke NIMBY )not in my backyard) when anyone tries to put them up. They will supplement power during peak hours. What provides power during the other times? They don’t want coal (me neither), nor natural gas, and are against nuclear. Solar, which they want increased, won’t do it. They want lots of high speed rail. Good luck with that.

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17 Responses to “Some Warmists Pushing For A “Teal New Deal””

  1. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Teach asks: Why teal? And do they think this will have any more chance of passing than the Green New Deal, which Democrats refuse to vote on?

    He’s right. It won’t pass in 2020. But the times they are a-changin’. January 21, 2021 starts a new year.

  2. Elwood P. Dowd says:

    Teach,

    What has come to a head in the US is that our economic system doesn’t serve the mass of Americans.

    This outcome is systemic and not natural nor inevitable. The inequality in the system, the rewarding of the wealthy at the expense of the working classes has reached a point where, we the people, are on the verge of revolting. We have enacted policies over the past decades that squeeze every drop of productivity out of our working classes with the rewards redistributed upward. The extreme inequality that we engineered into the system left us unprepared for any crisis. America needs to start supporting our HUMAN infrastructure.

    The US is borrowing TRILLIONS of dollars to survive the current crisis. Why couldn’t we have spent money to prevent crises?

    • KlemDadidlehopper says:

      wah, wah, wah shouts the COMMUNIST.

      Lets tear it all down and emulate the CHINESE shouts 50 center.

      WAH…WAH…WAH shouts AOC. Lets not pay rent. Those people who give us a place to live should be punished because we don’t like CAPITALISM.

      LEAVE. Please. go to china 50 center. Please go back. You don’t belong here. Your a force for evil peddling your Fentynol and crack cocaine to the poor and then pretending it is capitalism that is destroying them.

      No it is leftists like you that demand they not have jobs. YOU keep the poor in perpetual poverty and what TRUMP showed is that IF we let the system work. IT works!

      Unlike liars like you who make stuff up about the very system that MADE YOU RICH! I bet you ain’t gave yours back yet have you?

    • Kye says:

      “What has come to a head in the US is that our economic system doesn’t serve the mass of Americans.”

      See, you start out with a stupid statement like that and expect us to respect your opinion? Name anoth economic system that has brought as may people out of poverty, has mad life better for more people, has enriched or lives so much as “our economic system” (You’re such a commie jitbag you can’t even type the word Capitalism).

      Are people better off under your beloved communism? If so, where? Name them.
      Are people better off under the theocratic rule of mullas? If so, where?
      Are people better off under Marxist dictators in Africa? Show me.

      NOt only are you a brainwashed ignorant liar but you’re advocating a false narrative and believing it yourself. People like you are incorrigible.

      TRump 2020 They said 2 million Americans would die. Trump saved 1,950,000 lives

      • Elwood P. Dowd says:

        Kye,

        The choice is not between unfettered capitalism and Communism. There is room between for a system of regulated capitalism similar to what is seen in many Western European nations where the labor, tax, trade, worker safety etc are viewed as a bit fairer.

        You would never respect my opinion since it differs drastically from yours. Regardless of ideology, the fact is we have a problem where the rich are getting remarkedly richer and working classes are treading water, and it doesn’t have to be that way. Would you eliminate Social Security and Medicare – both socialist programs that make lives better for seniors and the disabled? And if universal healthcare is good for the over 65, why not for everyone? My oncologist just sent out a letter saying he’s retiring because of the hassles of working with insurance companies, having to justify every move he makes. That same hassle applies to patients in spades, since most don’t have $400,000 per year to fall back on.

        Good for trump. Now he should do America a favor and resign.

        • Kye says:

          Elwood, I never said nor do I believe that “The choice is not between unfettered capitalism and Communism.” Ever! You do realize we didn’t have “unfettered capitalism” here, don’t you?

          When you ask a ridiculous and skewed question like: “Would you eliminate Social Security and Medicare – both socialist programs that make lives better for seniors and the disabled?” you are making a false point. The point should be wouldn’t a retirement system that the person OWNS, can fund as he wishes and can pass it on to his family be a better and much, much CHEAPER plan than a bankrupt Ponzi scheme run by and for the benefit of bureaucrats than the people paying into it?

          Have you noticed Elwood, personal IRA plans never seem to go bankrupt, can’t be stolen bu politicians (yet) have much, much higher yields than SS and since they are owned by the person he can give it to anyone he wants….even the NAACP if he chooses. So while you look for ways to promote Government control of people’s money, we seek giving people the Freedom to do it their way to a degree.

          BTW, universal health care is NOT good for the over 65 that’s why we don’t have it. We have a semi-socialist/semi-capitalist plan which is taxpayer funded while he works and then he pays a premium when he retires (sometimes two premiums-one to the Gov. and one to a private insurance company for the add’l coverage most people (but not all) want. If you think Medicare is some sort of “universal health care” you don’t know Medicare.

          If your oncologist can’t handle the paperwork he should retire, or hire someone to handle it for him. I assume you DON’T want you oncologist held accountable for his practice and billing? Or don’t you think he should have to “justify every move he makes” to the people paying him? Don’t doctors under state run health plans have to justify themselves or can they do whatever the hell they want and bill whatever the hell they think they deserve?

          Who has $400,000 a year to fall back on? To whom are you referring?

          Trump 2020 Keep the oncologists justifying themselves.

        • formwiz says:

          The choice is not between unfettered capitalism and Communism. There is room between for a system of regulated capitalism similar to what is seen in many Western European nations where the labor, tax, trade, worker safety etc are viewed as a bit fairer.

          IOW Socialism. We’ve seen how swell that works.

          You would never respect my opinion since it differs drastically from yours. Regardless of ideology, the fact is we have a problem where the rich are getting remarkedly richer and working classes are treading water, and it doesn’t have to be that way.

          Well, we were doing just dandy until you people crashed the markets.

          And the word is markedly.

          Would you eliminate Social Security and Medicare – both socialist programs that make lives better for seniors and the disabled?

          Social Security recipients only get $1000 a month on average. Without savings, they’re screwed. And Medicare is one of the most fraud-ridden programs around.

          Besides, it’s hardly universal. You need a Medigap plan, too.

          And if universal healthcare is good for the over 65, why not for everyone?

          Because even Democrats know it’s a bad idea?

          My oncologist just sent out a letter saying he’s retiring because of the hassles of working with insurance companies, having to justify every move he makes. That same hassle applies to patients in spades, since most don’t have $400,000 per year to fall back on.

          So you hate your oncologist, too?

          Figures.

          Good for trump. Now he should do America a favor and resign.

          So we can have yet another Democrat mental defective in the Rainbow House?

  3. Jl says:

    “Rewards distributed upward….”. How so? If you’re talking about tax cuts, there’s no redistribution of money upwards. “The inequality of the system..”. Whoever said outcomes are supposed, or even want, to be equal?

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      j,

      The argument is not that everyone should be equal, it’s that it should, for practical reasons, be less unequal. Inequality in a capitalist system is not only a fact, it is a necessity! This level of inequality is harming the nation. It’s hard to imagine any billionaire works as hard as a mason, carpenter, autoworker, linesman, hotel maid, waitress, roofer or lettuce picker, but the complaint isn’t that billionaires have too much, it’s that real workers make too little. How do we get more money to working families so they can afford schooling, healthcare, childcare, pensions and a vacation?

      That help isn’t communism.

      • formwiz says:

        The argument is not that everyone should be equal, it’s that it should, for practical reasons, be less unequal. Inequality in a capitalist system is not only a fact, it is a necessity

        It is?

        How?

        This level of inequality is harming the nation. It’s hard to imagine any billionaire works as hard as a mason, carpenter, autoworker, linesman, hotel maid, waitress, roofer or lettuce picker, but the complaint isn’t that billionaires have too much, it’s that real workers make too little.

        Some jobs require intelligence, some a strong back, some manual dexterity.

        You think running a corporation isn’t “real work”? Clearly you’ve never done it. Of course you could say Stalin never did any real work. Before he was a bloodthirsty dictator, he was a bank robber.

        And anybody who thinks he isn’t paid enough can go find another job.

        How do we get more money to working families so they can afford schooling, healthcare, childcare, pensions and a vacation?

        End this stupid lockdown and get them back to work?

      • Kye says:

        First of all, it’s called the Statue of Liberty not the Statue of Equality.

        Secondly, it’s hard to imagine you cannot see the value of what people contribute to economy other than hands-on labor. What you’re saying is that because a guy comes up with a billion dollar idea he shouldn’t get it because he didn’t “work as hard as a mason”. That is silly. Should people who make money at investing and trading have their money taken away because you don’t think they work hard enough? How about musicians who write and sing a hit song. Is there no value to the song and should he not own the rights to it? Or what about intellectual property, patents and copyrights? That should be limited? And if so by who, you?

        And if you want people to “get more money to working families so they can afford schooling, healthcare, childcare, pensions and a vacation?” maybe you should consider stopping immigration which floods the labor market with cheap competition. Perhaps lowering taxes on the working man which is EXACTLY what Trump did and all you did was bitch because rich people got tax breaks too. Are we all not citizens? Should not all citizens be treated the same or are we like the pigs in Animal Farm, all Americans are equal except some get more than others?

        Also, schooling is free and they even feed the kids two meals a day, Medicaid is there if people need it and so is CHIP. Childcare is the duty of the family NOT the state. Unless you are going to propagandize them. SS funds pension and you can put money in IRS, who’s stopping them? People should pay for their own vacations, not me.

        You really seem to think it’s our DUTY to provide all those things to everybody. You are a grasshopper looking for a hive of worker ants to fund your inadequacies.

        Trump 2020 Keep the losers out of power. They’ll kill us.

  4. Floyd says:

    On the Verge? Hate to be the bearer of bad news Mr. El & whoever “we” is, but I (and I suspect many of other “the people” around here) have found your presence around here “revolting” for a long time,, Ba-dum Tish… ‘_’

    • Elwood P. Dowd says:

      Remindful of an old Wizard of Id cartoon:

      Servant: “Sire, the peasants are revolting!”

      King: “You can say that again!”

      • formwiz says:

        Which is the way Jeffery thinks of all the people who want to go back to work.

        As I’ve noted, the unemployment checks run out next week. You think they’re revolting now, stick around.

  5. formwiz says:

    Nice piece from the Eminent Mr Surber on why people like Jeffery love the lockdown.

    I can only add the entrepreneurs I’ve met are usually pick-yourself-up, dust-yourself-off, start-all-over-again types. They’ll be back.

    • Kye says:

      Thank’s for the link, formwiz. As usual, well worth the visit.

      Trump 2020 Say YES to making America great again and NO to leftists trying to destroy it.

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