If All You See…

…is a horrible fossil fueled vehicle which has caused the seas to meet the roads, you might just be a Warmist

The blog of the day is Raised On Hoecakes, with a post on socialism failing every time.

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25 Responses to “If All You See…”

  1. gitarcarver says:

    Thanks for the link Teach!

    Who knew John Stossel was such a good looker, eh?


  2. Jethro says:

    socialism: noun
    so·cial·ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm

    Definition of socialism
    : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    The Democratic Party does not advocate government ownership of the means of production. They do not advocate the nationalization of industries or business.

    Do Cons consider Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, defense to be “socialism”? Do Cons advocate eliminating these programs? If Cons advocate laissez-faire capitalism, they should be honest and say so.

    European nations practice Social Democracy to varying extents, i.e., regulated capitalism, an economic model that benefits most, progressive taxation, a social safety net – it’s largely how the US operated before about 1980. So hardly anything to view with terror. The US economy has rarely, if ever, existed as laissez-faire capitalism.

    Critics of capitalism argue that it establishes power in the hands of a minority capitalist class that exists through the exploitation of the majority working class and their labor; prioritizes profit over social good, natural resources and the environment; and is an engine of inequality, corruption and economic instabilities.
    Supporters argue that it provides better products and innovation through competition, creates strong economic growth, and yields productivity and prosperity that greatly benefits society as well as being the most efficient system known for allocation of resources.

    In fact, both supporters and critics are correct!! And that’s why the blended forms of capitalism in the most modern economies are so successful.

    • formwiz says:

      What nonsense.

      Social Security is a tax and one of the most regressive. FICA takes more than income tax. Had they put that money into the markets, it would be solvent and self-supporting instead of broke.

      Which brings us to another point. Social Security was never meant as a retirement program, but as a supplement to pensions and investment. Your average oldie only gets about 1000 a month, hardly enough to live on. But it’s been the Demos’ cash cow 83 years and they’ve used as a club against the Republicans to the point it’s become unsustainable.

      And it’s always been a ripoff. When the program began in 1942, it was only for people who worked outside the home (mostly men). Your average man’s life expectancy at the time was 62 (no antibiotics in general use, everybody smoked). Retirement age was 65.

      Neat, huh?

      If Idiot Boy wants to argue socialism is necessary, he’s got a tough sell. If the government kept its hands out of everybody’s pockets, most people would have more than enough to take care of themselves (there will always, of course, be wastrels). If he wants to press the case, he can ask Mommy to let him go down to Venezuela.

      • Jethro says:


        FICA is regressive but that can be fixed. Social Security is not broke.

        Again, Democrats are not advocating a policies such as Venezuela type autocracy. Most European nations are doing OK.

        The type of ‘socialism’ advocated by Democrats relies on capitalism as the economic system.

        Are you advocating eliminating Social Security and Medicare? Or are you just complaining? We need solutions, not whining. Tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations don’t seem to be the answer for the working classes.

        • formwiz says:

          No, in both cases and, yes, were it mine to do, make both self-sustaining, voluntary, means-tested and privatized.

          Again, Democrats are not advocating a policies such as Venezuela type autocracy. Most European nations are doing OK.

          Lie on both counts. Zippy was working on lots by government fiat and Europe is in lousy shape. Ever hear of the PIIIGS?

    • gitarcarver says:

      Like it or not, Jeffery, Democrats support socialism.

      And a new Gallup poll this week found that 57 percent of Democrats view socialism favorably, compared to 47 percent who view capitalism positively.

      • Jethro says:

        Socialism and capitalism, in the Gallup case, are just words on a poll, without description.

        from the Gallup article:

        Socialism as a concept is open to many interpretations. Gallup was describing socialism in questions asked in the 1940s in terms of government ownership of businesses — something that Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez and most other left-leaning Democratic candidates have not advocated. Instead, socialism today seems to embody sets of programs by which the government helps regulate and in some instances run and pay for social programs focused on basic population needs in health, education, housing and employment.

        Are Cons opposed to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and financial regulations? If so, you’re in the minority.

        • formwiz says:

          Keep telling yourself that.

          Privatize the first 2, localize the third, and everybody hates Dodd-Frank and Soxley, except Lefties. So, the answer is, Yes.

          PS Most people know Social Security and Medicare are insolvent rackets.

          • Jethro says:

            By all means, look voters in the eye and tell them you wish to end Social Security and Medicare. You may find you have a significant education project ahead persuading the populace.

            Why didn’t the current monopoly of White House, Senate, House and conservative SC privatize SS and Medicare? If you can’t now, then when?

            Although we all know the long-term GOP plans are to eliminate all the programs, the GOP has to do it sub rosa , as they can’t tell the people what they have in mind. They’ll chip, chip, chip a bit at a time. They’ll underfund and throw up their hands.

            Only Cons and crooks hate Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank.

            Sarbanes-Oxley was approved in the House by a vote of 423 in favor, 3 opposed, and 8 abstaining and in the Senate with a vote of 99 in favor and 1 abstaining. President George W. Bush signed it into law, stating it included “the most far-reaching reforms of American business practices since the time of Franklin D. Roosevelt. The era of low standards and false profits is over; no boardroom in America is above or beyond the law.”

            After the GOP became the NuGOP (around 2008), Dodd-Frank passed along largely party line votes.

        • gitarcarver says:

          Sorry, but the idea that a government needs to own something is socialism is just not true. A government through regulations can become a defacto owner. It is the same thing with land use which is why courts, up to and including the Supreme Court, have ruled that onerous regulations can and are an effective taking of ones property.

          You’re going to need to explain how Are Cons Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are privately owned businesses or institutions.

          • Jethro says:

            Do you consider Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid socialism that need to be eliminated?

            Is this a major objective of the NuCons? If so, why won’t Con politicos explain that to the voters? (That’s rhetorical – you know why Cons have to keep their plans on the down-low)

          • gitarcarver says:

            Do you consider Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid socialism that need to be eliminated?

            By your own definition of “socialism,” the company or industry must be a private enterprise that is taken over by the government.

            Were Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid ever privately owned entities?

  3. JGlanton says:

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  4. formwiz says:

    Only Cons and crooks hate Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank.

    Clearly, you’ve never held a job or done business. Everywhere I’ve worked or done business, the Mickey Mouse of this odious regulation is universally despised. And quoting how it passed means nothing as it was a Demo-controlled House with a lot of Whigs instead of Rs.

    And, yes, trying to straighten out the giveaways is an uphill fight, but, when they crash in about 5 years, chances are its going to be much easier.

    You, of all people, know a junkie has to hit rock bottom before he’s willing to go straight.

  5. Jethro says:


    I’ve been in business my entire adult life, the last 12 in small companies. Our CFOs followed the rules. Investors appreciate the laws.

    By all means, the GOPhers should tell the people what they have in store for them. What is the GOP plan for healthcare – they’ve had several years. Do they need to elect a few more Freedom Cockus types so they can eliminate any and all regs or gov’t involvement?

    • gitarcarver says:

      Investors appreciate the laws.

      Do they?

      They appreciate people being prosecuted for failure to disclose a fish caught by a licensed fisherman? (Supreme Court rules that was ludicrous.)

      They appreciate that according to studies, Dodd-Frank increased the bloodshed in the Congo?

      They appreciate the stranglehold Dodd Frank placed on banks and specifically community banks to the point that from 2010 (when Dodd Frank was passed) until 2015, only one new community bank in the US opened (the lowest number on record in the history of the US.)

      They appreciate the prosecution of developers of a stock market simulation game under Dodd Frank?

      You think that they appreciate the fact that under DOdd Frank, small banks have lessened loans to small businesses?

      I could go on and on, but your statement that your investors appreciate the laws that mean less return on investments defies logic.

    • formwiz says:

      I’ve been in business my entire adult life

      Sure. That’s why you know nothin’ ’bout nothin’.

      What the Demos had for health care, nobody wanted, but I see you’re following the new Demo playbook. Yes, we need to go back to the plan that spent us into debt and worked for nobody.
      Go with that. Please.

      BTW Did you see ABC’s generic Congressional ballot is R +1? Considering they had last time as Beast +.6 and it turned out God Emperor of the Cherry Blossom Throne + 1.1, I would agree we be suspicious, but also considering they tend to oversample Lefties, I’d say your masters’ new tack is way late, way wrong, way not enough, and way doomed.

      • david7134 says:

        What the little dip has done for years is develop an ability to obtain grants for his education and business, in other words, your money. Then he held a job with Pfizer, before going into a small drug company with others, I wonder how much intellectual property the little dip stole in transferring. Everything about our man jeff is a lie and every thing he promotes leads to communism and taking money from real makers, but not him.

  6. Jethro says:

    Bankruptcies seem to follow the tRump admin around. Sears (headed by Steve Mnuchin for years) filed for bankruptcy.

    He did to Sears what he and the tRumpitistas are doing to America: redistributing money to the wealthy, ignoring the infrastructure, loading up debt and then walking away.

    • formwiz says:

      Sure, that’s why consumer confidence is at an all time high.

      The class warfare stuff died with Franklin Roosevelt, but Commies like you can’t stop pushing the hate cause it’s all you got.

  7. gitarcarver says:

    Sears (headed by Steve Mnuchin for years) filed for bankruptcy.

    Sorry, but that’s wrong.

    Mnuchin was on the Board of Directors, but did not singularly “head” Sears in any way.

    Which leads to the obvious question “why the need to lie and hate?”

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