Hotcoldwetdry Could Increase Lake Effect Snow

It’s always something with these pseudo-religionists

Climate Change Could Bring More Lake-Effect Snow – For a Few Decades

Lake-effect snow occurs every winter downwind of the Great Lakes and several other large bodies of water, as long as the necessary conditions are met: cold air crossing over a relatively warmer lake surface, which picks up moisture to condense into clouds and dumps heavy snow downwind of the lakes. But as the Earth’s climate changes, how much longer will these ingredients continue to come together? (snip)

If our planet’s temperatures are getting warmer, surely that must mean there will be less lake-effect snow in the future. If the air isn’t cold, how are we going to get lake-effect snow to form?

Actually, it’s the opposite, according to a recent study by NOAA’s Tom Di Liberto. The study suggests there will actually be more lake-effect snow in the Great Lakes snowbelts, at least for a while.

Lake-effect snow is directly related to how warm and ice-free the lakes are, as well as the difference between the lake temperatures and the temperature of the air blowing over them.

Ok.

There is one hiccup in the hypothesis of a warmer climate leading to increased lake-effect snow, said Di Liberto: “The cold air that flows over the lakes will also be getting warmer over time, which would favor less lake-effect snow. It’s like an epic game of climate change tug-of-war.”

So, eventual doom for lake effect snows, which, apparently, will increase up till 2050 (they love that year), and then fall off from climate change doom.

Regardless, Di Liberto said recent research has suggested lake-effect snow totals along Lake Superior and Lake Michigan have increased from 1927 to 2007. Previous research found increases for the entire Great Lakes region between 1931 and 2001.

Have you ever noticed that their “science” always supports their notions, and always ends in doom? And that mankind is always to blame?

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24 Responses to “Hotcoldwetdry Could Increase Lake Effect Snow”

  1. Jeffery says:

    Teach types:

    Have you ever noticed that their “science” always supports their notions,

    In this case, the scientist concludes that global warming will have an impact on lake effect snow – causing an increase then a decrease.

    and always ends in doom?

    They predict it will cause more and then less lake effect snow. How is that doom?

    And that mankind is always to blame?

    The evidence is overwhelming that human-generated CO2 is causing warming.

    The author of the news article described the scientist’s essay as a “study”. Not so much.

  2. Rev.Hoagie® says:

    Once again Algore proves stupid is what stupid does:

    By Nathan Lichtman January 24, 2017

    Al Gore had predicted, in his highly disproven Inconvenient Truth, that we had only ten years to figure out the climate change disaster, before the sea levels engulfed the coasts and the temperatures rose so much that we would all face annihilation. That was over ten years ago. So, while at the Sundance Film Festival, Gore was confronted about this “ten year” lie, and he dodged the question. Not only did he dodge it, but he did so while getting into a gas-guzzling SUV in the middle of a snowy winter.

    Between a vile racist hatred for the very white working class they need to win and their complete agreement with the AGW hoax the Dem left creates a story one just couldn’t make up. I love it.

  3. The evidence is overwhelming that human-generated CO2 is causing warming.

    If Warmists truly believed that, they’d stop using fossil fuels and do everything necessary to make their own lives carbon neutral.

  4. Jeffery says:

    Whether everyone believes it or not, doesn’t change the fact that the evidence is overwhelming supporting AGW. Do you truly believe that scientific facts depend on how people act??

    Does the fact that people smoke prove that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer??

  5. Jeffery says:

    Hoagie,

    Did VP Gore say the seas would rise in 10 years or that we had 10 years to stop/slow the process that would lead to the 20 foot sea rise? There’s a difference.

    AGW is not a hoax. Without question the Earth is warming from human-derived CO2 added to the atmosphere. The question is what, if anything, to do about it. Denying that AGW is occurring is like trump whining about non-existent voter fraud.

    It’s a new fact-free world.

  6. drowningpuppies says:

    the evidence is overwhelming supporting AGW.

    Care to provide some of that “overwhelming evidence”, little guy?
    It shouldn’t be that hard.

  7. Jeffery says:

    You didn’t ask politely.

  8. Liam Thomas says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc

    or perhaps

    Cinema ModeOff
    Hide The Decline II – The Sequel

  9. drowningpuppies says:

    So little guy can’t provide any of his “overwhelming evidence”?
    Because it ain’t there and little guy knows it.
    But what would you expect from a little guy who lied about serving in the Army?

  10. Liam Thomas says:

    Does the fact that people smoke prove that smoking doesn’t cause lung cancer??

    Non sequitur……Smoking has been scientifically proven to cause lung cancer and various COPD illnesses….to link a proven fact with something open for debate is pure bait and switch tactics…….

    The burning of fossil fuels has not been proven to have an end game…..

    The end game for smoking is almost certainly some form of copd……..The end game for rising co2 is only modeling, guesswork and best guess scenarios. There is no definitive etched in stone conclusion to the burning of fossil fuels….only the constant and repeated exclamations of OUR MODELS SUGGEST THAT>…or we believe or most likely it will or were pretty sure that……

    When it is scientifically proven beyond a doubt that X will occur then perhaps the movement your a part of will gain some traction until then you believe in GOD…the GOD of Global warming…..you proselytize for him/her and you expect the rest of us to give up our way of life and follow your GOD to the promised land….Its why so many of us believe its a cult……..

    When the science works……then you’ll have a foot to stand on…..when it doesn’t work more then it does…then you are like Christians….trying to explain why an omnipotent god WILL NOT CURE a sick little child of an illness and that child dies….FAITH in the greater good……

    right now you expect us all to believe to have faith in the greater good………As defined by Christians, Hari Krishna, Flower power, Radical Islamimsts, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and yes even Atheists. They all have the answer you just have to believe….they can point to evidence that god exists and wonder why in their anguished minds that YOU DONT BELIEVE with them……

  11. Jeffery says:

    You can lead a Denier to evidence, but you can’t make him read.

    Here’s a summary from the IPCC. But there are thousands of other papers and reports.

    http://ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf

  12. drowningpuppies says:

    And little guy knows that ain’t evidence.

  13. Whether everyone believes it or not, doesn’t change the fact that the evidence is overwhelming supporting AGW. Do you truly believe that scientific facts depend on how people act??

    Actually, yes. If the people who push this truly believed it, they’d change their behavior, instead of pushing for more governmental control of citizens while also increasing their cost of living and making them more dependent on government.

    AGW can only be proved through changing data and computer models which give the outcomes they want. The same models fail when applied to actual historical data, hence, the need to prognosticate for the future, which is not really science, but Madam Zelda at the carnival. There is little to no attempt to use the Scientific Method. When the outcomes do not jibe with the hypothesis, the results are changed.

    It’s a little pseudo-religion.

  14. drowningpuppies says:


    but Madam Zelda at the carnival.

  15. David7134 says:

    Jeff,
    Remember what I have said about cholesterol. There are tons of articles linking fat to CV disease. But after 50 years of experts we now know there is no link to CV disease.

    Or take the jerk cussing out the Trump supporter about Trumps view of the fake AGW. She ask if he knew that gravity was a theory, or something. Not realizing that she made the point that things are not as they appear. Even theories of gravity change constantly. Gravity was once a force, now a warp in space time.

  16. AndyG55 says:

    ” the evidence is overwhelming supporting AGW”

    That is a load of UTTER BS!!

    There is very little evidence support the AGW farce.

    Most evidence destroys it completely.

  17. AndyG55 says:

    “Here’s a summary from the IPCC.”

    roflmao….. Seriously? you have GOT to be joking.

    You have just proven to everyone that AGW is a POLITICAL FABRICATION.

    Well done, Jeffles.

  18. AndyG55 says:

    ” Without question the Earth is warming from human-derived CO2 added to the atmosphere.”

    Total and utter BOLLOCKS.

    There is absolutely no mechanism whereby CO2 can cause warming in a convective atmosphere.

    No paper using empirical evidence exists, even after 30 plus years of this scam.

  19. Jeffery says:

    Teach thinks facts are shaped by what people believe. And he thinks science is a religion.

    Here’s a recent article on conspiracy theories, focusing on global warming.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797612457686

    The facts are the facts. CO2 is causing the Earth to warm. But politically we’ve decided not to do anything. And that’s also a fact.

    There are people who believe that cigarettes are not related to cancer, that AGW is a hoax, that HIV does not cause AIDS, that vaccines cause autism, that 3 to 5 million illegal votes were cast, that the moon landing was faked…

  20. AndyG55 says:

    Let’s look at some facts, going on consensus science….

    Active Carbon Dioxide Distribution is:
    a. 98% of Earths ( active ) CO2 is dissolved in the oceans.
    b. 2% of Earths ( active ) CO2 is in the atmosphere.
    c. 97% of atmospheric CO2 is of Natural Origin.
    d. 3% of atmospheric CO2 is Human attributable.
    And
    e. Atmospheric H2O is about 95% of the total greenhouse effect.

    So the Total GHG effect is
    1. Water about 95%
    2. Total CO2 about 4% of GHG effect
    3. Human proportion of CO2 is 3% of the above 4% or, from another viewpoint, 0.12 % of all GHG effect.

    If world atmospheric temperature rose by 0.6 C degrees over the last 150 years from 1860 (maybe).
    And if Greenhouse gases are the only cause of this rise (very debateable).
    And if human origin CO2 is to be taken into account.

    THEN.
    Our part of the world’s green house gas effect is Approx 0.0016 C degrees of the temperature rise of 0.6 C degrees.
    (calculated as a maximum).
    The rest is nature.

    Likewise we are responsible for 0.0048 mm (max) of the annual 1.5mm sea level increase.
    Over 100 years WE would cause 0.48 mm sea rise.

    SCARY ! NOT !

  21. AndyG55 says:

    Lets see if there is any CO2 signal in the satellite temperature data?

    The only way to look for a CO2 signal is to look outside the two major El Ninos

    El Ninos are NOT linked to CO2 in any way.

    When you do that, you find the FACT that there is…..

    No warming before the 1998 El Nino..

    https://s19.postimg.org/iwoqwlg1f/UAH_before_El_nino.png
    https://s19.postimg.org/y6om3sbjn/RSS_Before_El_Nino.jpg

    And No warming between the end of 1998 El Nino step in 2001 and the beginning of the 2015 El Nino

    https://s19.postimg.org/b9yx58cxf/UAH_after_El_nino.png
    https://s19.postimg.org/im6e8dgxf/RSS_pre_2015.png

    There is NO WARMING in either RSS or UAH apart for that 1998 El Nino step.

    That means that there is NO CO2 WARMING SIGNAL in either satellite data series.

    In RSS, even the current El Nino has already dropped back down to the ZERO trend line from 1997-2015, with more cooling to come
    .
    https://s19.postimg.org/qp3u91to3/RSS_El_Nino_trend.png

    There is still 3 or 4 years left of the current solar cycle,
    with the next cycle probably being even weaker..
    Cooling is imminent.. how much and how quickly, only time will tell.

    Let’s have a look at some REAL Land data.
    (Not the junk GISS, 50% fabricated from rubbish surface stations and manically adjusted.)

    NO WARMING in UAH Land before the 1998 El Nino

    https://s19.postimg.org/is632i7hv/UAH_land_before_1998_EL_Nino.png

    And NO WARMING in UAH land between El Ninos.

    https://s19.postimg.org/z4kq5zb77/UAH_land_after_1998_El_Nino.png

    RSS land actually has a COOLING trend between the end of the 1998 El Nino in 2001, and the start of the 2015 EL Nino

    https://s19.postimg.org/n3za593sj/RSS_land_between_El_Ninos.png

  22. AndyG55 says:

    Hey William.. I just had a post disappear.

    Too many links??

  23. AndyG55 says:

    “facts are shaped by what people believe. And he thinks science is a religion.”

    In the case of “Climate Science™” and its Klimate Kool-Aide quaffing followers..

    …. belief is all they have.. zero facts..

    and yes it is very much a religion, as you keep proving to everybody.

  24. AndyG55 says:

    “CO2 is causing the Earth to warm”


    Absolute BOLLOCKS.

    You have yet to produce one single paper that proves CO2 causes warming in a convective atmosphere.

    There ISN’T ONE

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