Again, my way would be to add the Obamacare subsidies in with a 1 year expiration date, explaining that this won’t happen again, there needs to be a serious change to the program (there’s no way it can be killed off at this point, sadly).
How Democrats, GOP could end shutdown and save face
Voices in both parties say Democrats and Republicans alike are looking for a deal that would allow them to save face while ending a shutdown that’s causing increasing pain to Americans across the country.
The difficulty is finding a sweet spot that reopens the government and allows both sides to walk away telling their bases — with a straight face — that they won.
There is no obvious solution, and it’s anyone’s guess what the exact compromise will look like. But lawmakers, strategists and other political experts say there are two ingredients crucial to a deal: President Trump and ObamaCare subsidies.
The enhanced tax credits under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) have been the central sticking point throughout the month-long shutdown, and both parties have staked out public positions that have, so far, been immovable.
Thing is, Democrats want a lot more, like resumption of USAID and all sorts of Crazy
Republicans say they won’t negotiate an extension of the expiring subsidies — the key Democratic demand — before the Democrats help reopen the government. Democrats say they won’t help reopen the government until the Republicans negotiate on health care. Neither side has given an inch in the month since the government shut its doors — and leaders of both sides publicly insist that they won’t.
The way out of the impasse will require a delicate dance, but experts say they have at least a couple options to pursue without either side appearing to cave.
The first involves a commitment from Trump, who’s been on the sidelines of the debate, to sit down with a select group of Democrats on a specific date to negotiate a deal to extend the ACA subsidies in some form. In return, Democrats would agree to open up the government by supporting the “clean” Republican spending bill that’s been wallowing in the Senate for more than four weeks.
The same CR Dems voted for 13 times prior to the shutdown.
A second option to break the impasse would involve Republicans promising an up or down vote — not just negotiations — on extending the ACA subsidies in return for Democrats’ help in ending the shutdown. (snip)
If Republicans renege, Democrats could shutter the government again at the next budget deadline, whenever it arrives.
Dems won’t buy this, because Dems renege all the time on promises, and would only see what they would do.
Besides ACA subsidies, Democrats have also demanded that there be specific language in a budget bill that requires Trump to spend funds as Congress intended to. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said even if Democrats support a short term stopgap measure to reopen the government, he doesn’t believe his fellow colleagues will sign onto a full year budget unless it “constrains the level of illegality happening.”
“I’m not going to vote for an immoral, corrupt budget, whether it be a short term budget or a long term budget, that throws millions of people off their health care and helps Trump engage in his ongoing witch hunt operation of my allies. I’m just not going to do it. And again, I think that the bar is different for a short term deal…the longer term budget will be the opportunity for us to put more constraints on his illegality. But I’m interested in far more than a promise or a failed vote,” Murphy said.
Y’all voted for it again and again and again. What’s changed?
But with the shutdown poised to hit millions of low-income people in federal education, nutrition and health care programs — and with flight delays already snarling air travel coast to coast and threatening to get worse — some observers say both sides will have little choice but to move toward the other.
Here’s what interested me the most in this piece: do Americans realize that the federal government is way, way, way, way, way too involved in citizen’s lives, that they provide way, etc. too much aid? That it would make a hell of a lot more sense if it was state governments funding and appropriating? That we should be sending less money to Los Federales, instead sending it to the state? That that is the way it is supposed to be, and that the feds have really no Constitutional authority for most of what they do.
Perhaps it is not such a good to have the federal government so involved?
No one seems to want to address the elephant in the room which is 1 in 8 Americans are on some kind of SNAP/Food Stamp assistance. Not including all the other welfare/”assistance” programs. Really? Tell me there’s not a good amount of grifters in this country.
The elephant in the room is that wealth/income inequality is reaching the boiling point in the US.
This would NOT be an issue if the working classes (especially men) were making enough to support their basic needs – shelter, food, healthcare, transportation – but clearly a significant percentage of working Americans do not make enough.
Young men are especially struggling and cannot afford a working class lifestyle – family, house, car(s), insurance, college, vacation etc. Today the top 10% of households have about 70% of the total wealth. The bottom 50% have 2-3%.
Read Scott Galloway: Boys and men are in crisis. Rarely has a cohort fallen further and faster than young men living in Western democracies. Boys are less likely to graduate from high school or college than girls. One in seven men reports having no friends, and men account for three of every four deaths of despair in America. Even worse, the lack of attention to these problems has created a vacuum filled by voices espousing misogyny, the demonization of others, and a toxic vision of masculinity. But this is not just a male issue: Women and children can’t flourish if men aren’t doing well. And as we know from spates of violence, there is nothing more dangerous than a lonely, broke young man.
The Democrats will settle for NOTHING less; but the restoration of their “cashflow of tax payer dollars to Democrat pockets” programs (USAID,ACA,SNAP/EBT).
Most polls put the blame on the GOP
The pint of money that the Dems want for subsidies for the uninsured is a tiny part of the fed budhet
Great
In addition to the SNAP funds, Dems also want the Obamacare subsidies and NPR restored—-both non-starters for conservatives. Subsidies for Obamacare go to Health insurance companies, not hospitals. And NPR doesn’t need it and its not a government responsibility either.
William typed: Perhaps it is not such a good (idea) to have the federal government so involved?
Does he feel that the trump admin agrees??? Donnie has Los Federales troops in US cities. He has the US directly invested in private companies. Donnie has the Navy bombing boats in the Gulf of Mexico and Pacific Ocean. He is making plans to invade Nigeria and Venezuela. He wants the feds to be in charge of elections! Federal debt is increasing.
William wants the states to take over more responsibility from the feds. Some richer states, e.g., CA, NY, NU, MA, TX, could, but poor states like LA, MS, WV, NM, AR would have even worse times than now.
Where does our spending go: War Dept/DHS, Medicare, SS, Medicaid, interest on debt. Following WW2, when our debt was 120% GDP we paid it down to a sustainable 30% with a top marginal income tax rate of 93%. During this period the US prospered, building the greatest middle/working class in history, building roads, bridges, dams, schools and universities. President Reagan’s tax cuts started the debt increase with huge jumps during the Great Recession (2008) and the Covid pandemic (2020). It stands now at about 120% of GDP and our infrastructure is rotting and we’re building gigantic “data centers” to support AI to transfer more wealth to tech bros and crypto kings!!
Right wing/libertarians want most federal spending to be gutted – save for the Department of War and ICE.
We’re doomed.
Oh!
— Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins reported yesterday that earlier this year, “we told every state to send us their SNAP data so we could make sure illegal immigrants aren’t getting benefits meant for American families. 29 states stepped up. 21 blue states refused — and two SUED US FOR ASKING!”
That’s because we’re spending billions on benefits to illegal aliens.–
— CIS estimated that 59% of households headed up by an illegal are on one or more welfare programs, whether it’s cash, food assistance, Medicaid, or housing.
Read that again. We’re giving cash, food, healthcare, and housing to people who aren’t even supposed to be here.–
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2025/11/03/im-sorry-but-how-many-illegals-get-food-stamps-n4945533
Bwaha! Lolgfy Losers!
AGA47 Motherfuckers!
If you’ve seen the Chart showing expenditures for SNAP/EBT then you know it’s gone up over 100% since “covid” and the Biden Illegals hit! With more of the nitwits posting their THREATS online, more Americans are seeing how “grateful” those people are that WE share OUR Tax dollars so generously and we don’t like it! ALL the ILLEGALS must be removed from ANY benefits! Then the entire system needs to be reviewed and new requirements and LIMITS on how much and how LONG you may access the system! I would rather see a PHOTO ID CARD to be used and restrictions on MANY more items!