Per Democrats and their pet media
One of the main lines of attack the White House and Republican lawmakers have leveled against Democrats amid the government shutdown is the claim that Democratic lawmakers want to give immigrants in the U.S. illegally free health care — which Democrats deny.
“Democrats are holding the American government HOSTAGE so they can give FREE health care to ILLEGAL ALIENS,” House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Republican from Louisiana, said on social media Wednesday.
Meanwhile, Vice President JD Vance accused Democrats of wanting to “take from the American people in order to give taxpayer-funded healthcare to illegal immigrants.” (snip)
The One Big Beautiful Bill Act — passed by lawmakers and signed by President Trump over the summer — significantly restricted noncitizen eligibility for Medicaid coverage, making it only accessible to lawful permanent residents, Cubans and Haitians who entered the U.S. legally and noncitizens from several Pacific islands. -(snip)
The Democrats’ funding proposal would restore noncitizen eligibility for Medicaid to the longstanding pre-2025 rules, reopening access for the classes of immigrants who were carved out earlier this year. All of those immigrants are in the U.S. either legally or with the government’s permission.
So, that’s the Democrats line. Newsweek and Poltifact try it. This goes on and on and on. But, what’s the real line
Unearthed debate clip goes viral against Dems as illegal immigrant health coverage becomes top issue
As the federal government shutdown continues, a clip from the 2019 Democratic presidential primary went viral when the candidates were asked if they support providing healthcare to those in the country illegally.
“Is JD Vance a liar or just woefully ignorant when claiming that Democrats want to give health benefits to undocumented immigrants?” disgraced ex-Democratic Minnesota Sen. Al Franken posted to X on Wednesday, leading to the clip being posted in the comments by one user.
“Raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants,” NBC News anchor Savannah Guthrie asked while moderating the June 2019 debate followed by all ten Democrats on stage raising their hands.
Oh, and then
Part of the ongoing government shutdown debate centers on subsidies for the Affordable Care Act, which would lead to a rise in premiums that opponents say prove that the program is unsustainable.
Illegal immigrants are unable to get insurance on the ACA marketplace, but Emergency Medicaid is covered as well as several states that use state taxpayer dollars for illegal immigrants to enroll in Medicaid.
The Dems claim that most of the money comes from state coffers. Like 80%. So, that means 20% is federal money. And it means that Democrats do want, in fact, illegals to get healthcare.
Kudos to Mr Teach for linking the CBS News article that explains the issue, and points out the GOP falsehoods. But as we all know – only FOX “News?” tells the truth!
And here’s funny video for VP Vance – also from CBS!! Vance chastised those who whined about Donnie’s hilarious video of a mustachioed Hakeem Jeffries in a sombrero.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1343650410712056
Let’s tell the truth here: if the Dems gain the White House following the 2028 election, any actions against the illegals will stop, and those remaining in the country will get to stay.
Then, since they’re still here, why we’ve just got to take care of them, educate their kids, and give then food stamps, right?
True. And this justifies Donnie and the Repugs doing whatever is necessary to 1) secure the 2026 House and Senate races for MAGA Repubicuns and 2) secure 2028 presidential and other races for MAGA Repubicuns.
Donnie has done a GREAT job starting to Make America Great Again! Punishing Mexicans, calling Muslims names, sending troops into “blue” cities, cutting taxes for billionaires and corporations, making black troops shave, getting women back in the kitchen, cutting spending (only in “blue” states), firebombing small boats in the Caribbean, slashing FEMA, taking over the economy… he is on his (your) way to making America the caucasian, christian, straight, male-dominated nation that God intended when he created it!!!
And he has finally remembered Project 2025!!!
I was reading the distinguished gentleman from Missouri’s screed, and a longish response was forming in my mind, but I believe I can capsulize it succinctly: Mr Dowd is appalled that President Trump wants to make American normal again.
By normal, the white christian nationalist from North Tennessee means white, christian, male-dominated, straight just as God intended!!
BTW, since the lads demand proof for global warming, vaccines etc, do you have any proof of God, gods, angels, miracles, heaven, hell, Satan etc?
The intersectionalist from Wesst Illinois wrote:
Well, yes, that is exactly what I mean! Such people are the architects and creator of the Western civilization we all enjoy. Those white Christian men created the only society on earth which lifted people from the subsistence level, and which freed people from domination of the nobility. You owe your right to vote and your right to speak and publish freely to the white, Christian men of action and explorers who spread civilization from the shores of Western Europe to a wild and untamed continent, you owe your personal wealth to the white, Christian men of action who fought for property rights and economic freedom.
Instead, you want to hand our civilization over to those who want its economic benefits without living in the culture which created and sustains it, somehow thinking that the prosperity and freedom of the West can be maintained by those who hate the culture which created it.
So, what do we see? In Russia, a land of great natural resources but only a simulacrum of Western civilization, we see some adaptation but a nevertheless poor and inefficient version of capitalism, and freedom has been lost to autocracy. In China, with tremendous human capital, we see the prosperity of the West, but only because it is maintained by a brutal dictatorship. In Korea, we see the same people, free on one side and oppressed on the other, with the free people adopting Western culture as much as they can reasonably imitate, and a prosperous society — which we also see in Japan, forced on the country by our post-war occupation — while on the other the people are oppressed and actually physically smaller now, after famine after famine.
Mr Dana typed, in an attempt to justify his white, christian supremacy…
+++ white Christian men created the only society on earth which lifted people from the subsistence level, and which freed people from domination of the nobility. You owe your right to vote and your right to speak and publish freely to the white, Christian men of action and explorers who spread civilization from the shores of Western Europe to a wild and untamed continent, you owe your personal wealth to the white, Christian men of action who fought for property rights and economic freedom.
Instead, you want to hand our civilization over to those who want its economic benefits without living in the culture which created and sustains it, somehow thinking that the prosperity and freedom of the West can be maintained by those who hate the culture which created it.+++
He does not address what this white christian male-controlled nirvana would look like.
Was he trolling when he typed that his admiration for a nation where only white christian males owning property voted and made the laws?
He has typed that the poor have no “right” to state health care. If they can’t afford to live we should let them die.
Would he limit rights for women?
Would he limit rights for Black men and women?
Would he limit rights for Hispanics?
Would he make christianity the official state religion and outlaw others?
Would he outlaw homosexuality?
In terms of policies how would you want to execute your vision?
Nobody has a right to the labors of another (other than children from their parents).
That has nothing to do with race or religion. To suggest otherwise is to create strawman arguments to support communist ideology. Which is contrary to the concepts that underpin the existence of America. (Concepts that we have not always historically followed, but over time have done better at realizing. Pretending that we want to reverse that process is untruthful propaganda. Elwood knows this but has nothing more substantial to say, so he goes down that rabbit hole. Which frankly, says something about his lack of character.)
No right. Not food, not housing, not healthcare, not transportation. Nothing. Not one thing. Rights don’t require coercing others.
If people want to VOLUNTARILY provide for others, for whatever reason they deem appropriate, then those being provided for have a DUTY of being grateful for it.
The National Guard members called to active duty are not being paid during the Trump shutdown.
Fat Jeff,
Yes, they are.
No. Dumbass dave aka doctor Death. Fat Donnie is not paying them.
President Trump on the government shutdown…
“When you shut it down, we’d be laying off a lot of people, and they’re gonna be DEMOCRATS.”
“A lot of good can come from shutdowns. We can get rid of a lot of things we didn’t want.”
MAGA47 Motherfuckers!
In the past, Fat Donnie always blamed presidents for shut downs. This time it’s Fat Donnie’s fault, totally. But Fat Donnie and Rusty Vought (Project 2025 and OMB) wanted a shutdown to enable cutting spending authorized by Congress. Pure fascism! The “brains” controlling Fat Donnie are Vought and Steve Miller (and the autopen).
The One Big Beautiful Bill Act cut a trillion out of Medicaid (good bye rural care!!) and killed ACA subsidies so working class healthcare costs will skyrocket! But fuck those Medicaid and ACA losers!! Gates, Musk, Fat Donnie, Zuck, Bessent, Bezos, Buffett, Walton(s), Ellison, Bloomberg Koch(s) etc deserve MORE of America’s earnings!!!
In history, revolutions brew slowly until they erupt, suddenly, without warning. LOL!!!
When? Wait for tRump’s troopers to shoot the first citizen. It’s coming.
The One Big Beautiful Bill passed both Houses of Congress back in July.
Now Schumer and the dumbos are renigging.
Nah. The vile, stupid, niggardly Repubicuns forgot to pass a budget. The law is the law. 60 Senate votes needed to pass a bipartisan budget bill.
The niggardly Repubicuns want to slash your Medicaid benefits AND/OR double your ACA premiums. When the ACA premiums skyrocket so will all other insurance premiums.
Add this to tRumpinflation and the cratering job market… Youse boyz are at the mercy of the niggardly Repubicunts.
Rimjob enjoys posting his lies in order to be proven wrong one would guess.
DDT.
You’re on the clock, Dickbreath!! Start proving!
Have you finished reviewing all those DDT articles?
First, some of our citizens behave in ways that they deserve to be shot.
“Fat Donnie always blamed presidents for shutdowns.” The Left is suddenly upset that their own tools and tactics are being turned on them? Cry bigger tears, please. Voters are getting sick of the Left’s whining.
The Medicare cuts don’t hurt health care to Americans IF THE DEMOCRATS would quit siphoning those funds to give health care to illegals. Federal dollars, once they hit the states, are fungible, and the Left has been playing games to fund their pet illegals projects. If they don’t want to hurt their citizens, they’ll need to stop that.
The ACA has been nothing but robbing everyone to pay the healthcare insurance industry. That’s why Obama let them write the bill. It never accomplished what he said it would, which is to control the cost increases of healthcare. Are illegals getting ACA benefits? Indirectly, yes, because of the way most hospitals manage their budgets. The ACA funnels money to the hospitals for citizens’ care, but then the hospitals can use it to subsidize emergency care for illegals. If the ACA can no longer be used like an infinite supply of money, hospitals will be forced to restrict their emergency care to those with real life-threatening emergencies, and not be used like a doc-in-a-box for illegals who can’t afford non-life-threatening care. Then maybe they’ll self-deport, like we want them to. Walk in to any urban hospital ER and see reality. Frankly, I think they ought to put ICE agents in the ER’s to reduce crowding.
The worst thing we can do to the Left is make them accountable.
Too bad Democrats. The people you voted in (your democracy; remember) doesn’t represent you or your wishes (sorry; there is NO law that requires them too); so you will just have to live with the tyranny you created; just like the rest of us; who DIDN’T vote for them. Gotta love that “Democracy”!
from former Sec of Labor Reich…
+++There have been eight shutdowns since 1990. Trump has now presided over four.
But this shutdown — the one that began this week — is radically different.
For one thing, it’s the consequence of a decision made in July by Trump and Senate Republicans to pass Trump’s gigantic “big beautiful bill” (I prefer to call it “big ugly bill”) without any Democratic votes.
They could do that because of an arcane Senate procedure called “reconciliation,” which allowed the big ugly to get through the Senate with just 51 votes rather than the normal 60 votes required to overcome a filibuster.
The final tally was a squeaker. All Senate Democrats opposed the legislation. When three Senate Republicans joined them, Vice President JD Vance was called in to break a tie. Some Republicans bragged that they didn’t need a single Democrat.
The big ugly fundamentally altered the priorities of the United States government. It cut nearly $1 trillion from Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act — with the result that health insurance premiums for tens of millions of Americans will soar starting in January.
The big ugly also cut nutrition assistance and environmental protection, while bulking up immigration enforcement and cutting the taxes of wealthy Americans and big corporations.+++
Thanks, MAGAts!! You reap what you sow.
Our disgruntled Democrat wrote:
Our saddened socialist just doesn’t get it: we wanted President Trump to fundamentally alter the priorities of the United States government. Our greatest complain is that he has not altered them fundamentally enough. It isn’t that we want premiums raised for Obysmalcare; we want Obaminablecare completely repealed, so cutting some funds from it is barely even a partial victory.
We’re hardly surprised that Mr Dana is happy. We understand that Big Donnie’s assaults on the working class and the poor agrees with his philosophy.
But the majority of Americans are not gruntled – and their disgruntledness will only increase. Even Big Donnie sees this – it’s why he’s trying to rig the 2026 mid-terms.
By all means, urge Big Donnie to eliminate ALL government healthcare. Phase out Social Security too! Cut half of government spending, leaving spreading concrete for roads, bridges and dams AND military/police.
Speak up. Be loud. Distribute Project 2025 widely.
https://static.heritage.org/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
The esteemed Mr Dowd wrote:
What Mr Dowd fails to realize is that Mrs Pico and I are working class. I spent my career working in ready-mixed concrete, which has had me doing fun things like shoveling under conveyor belts, running heavy equipment, designing mixes, chipping out central mix drums, and doing physical work outside, in the heaty of summer and cold of winter. My wife is a registered nurse, with all of what that entails.
But what we did, we did right. Oh, we suffered some reverses, who doesn’t, but we saved, we bought homes within our means, and we are now retired. This is us!
We’ve seen the beauty of France and Italy and Greece, of Sapin and England and Scotland. We’ve enjoyed a few, and I do stress few, international vacations, but we’ve spent the end of summer being able to sit in chaise loungers in our own yard, on our own property, without a mortgage or car payments, because we did things right. That’s something all working-class people in the United States can do!
The distinguished Mr Dowd’s problem is that he fails to distinguish between the great American working-class, who can do as we have done, and the sadly growing American welfare class. What we want to se is prosperity and opportunity for our working class, but nothing for a welfare class.
“Cutting the taxes of wealthy Americans…”
Nope, it simply kept the tax rates where they were.
I’ll ask Mr Dana: Why did candidate Trump deny any knowledge of Project 2025? It was clearly a big lie.