The proposed changes would require that a Republican win the White House in 2028, and the rules survive legal challenges all the way to the Supreme Court, but, hey, we can see who really matters most to Democrats (non-paywalled available at Yahoo)
Proposed census rules could change how many North Carolinians are counted
The Trump administration has proposed several changes to the 2030 census that would limit who can be counted in North Carolina and reduce the demographic information collected by the U.S. Census Bureau.
Critics say the administration’s proposal would short-change communities with international students and large immigrant populations. They say it also would stop the government from collecting important information about race, ethnicity and sexual orientation during the nationwide count done every decade.
The regulations would radically change the census in 2030 and beyond, says John Quinterno, the governor’s census liaison and state data center coordinator at the Office of State Budget and Management.
“If the decennial census is like a family portrait that’s taken on Census Day, the rules shape how the picture looks and how accurate it is,” Quinterno said in an interview. “These changes would alter the portrait of North Carolina by omitting some people entirely, putting others in the wrong place, photoshopping or erasing others out after the fact and blurring the picture.”
Aliens (that is the legal word per federal code), both legal and illegal, are not North Carolinians. They are foreigners, and, really, should not be counted in any census for terms of legislative apportionment and money that comes back to the states from Los Federales. Any here legally are meant to be temporary, those illegally are meant to be deported
The constitution requires the government to count “the whole number of persons in each state.” Traditionally that has meant people living in a place regardless of their citizenship status. Immigrants with or without visas were counted; U.S. citizens living overseas were not, unless they served in the military or worked for the federal government.
Now the Trump administration wants to limit the count to U.S. citizens and “lawful permanent residents,” such as immigrants with green cards. That would leave out foreign students, people with work visas and “illegal aliens,” groups whose legal status is “less durable,” the Census Bureau says, and are “not true inhabitants, members of the body politic, or persons with a ‘usual residence’ in the United States due to their lack of a sufficient tie and allegiance to the United States.”
It’s that part about whole number of persons: can the Trump admin find a way to limit that to citizens and permanent residents (again, why do we have them? It’s absurd)? And we’ll get to see that Democrats care more about foreigners than US citizens. The normal.
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GOP surrenders in NC pulls all money from Senate candidate and gives to to Kansas (Kansas??)
NC officially moved from purple state to blue state as intelligence spreads out from the research triangle in blue wave.
Under the US Constitution Enumeration clauses the actual number of whole persons is to be counted
By 2030vwhenbzhrvnrct census is to be taken Trump will be long gone and just a bad memory
‘Now the Trump administration wants to limit the count to U.S. citizens and “lawful permanent residents,” such as immigrants with green cards. That would leave out foreign students, people with work visas and “illegal aliens,” groups whose legal status is “less durable,” the Census Bureau says, and are “not true inhabitants, members of the body politic, or persons with a ‘usual residence’ in the United States due to their lack of a sufficient tie and allegiance to the United States.”’
IOW, he wants to do something sane and the left are doing their usual freak-out.
It makes sense to count the non-Americans present in the country, to know how many there are, without including them as part of the population for congressional apportionment. If that was done, I think people would actually be stunned at how large the illegal population is.
Good idea. Similar to the debates around whether to count the enslaved in the census way back when! (The Three-fifths Compromise was a 1787 agreement reached during the United States Constitutional Convention that counted three-fifths of a state’s enslaved population for congressional representation and direct taxation). These humans were considered property. Abolished in 1868!!
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)(anti-immigation): FAIR estimated a total of approximately 18.6 million unauthorized immigrants residing in the U.S. as of March 2025. (5.3% of total pop)
Migration Policy Institute (MPI)(non-partisn): Data put the peak undocumented population between 14.6 million and 15.8 million heading into 2025. (~4.4%)
Center for Immigration Studies (CIS)(anti-immigration): The Center for Immigration Studies estimated an undocumented population of 15.4 to 15.8 million in January 2025. (~4.5%)
Clearly, with Mr trump’s actions the last 21 months have DROPPED those numbers!
Does Mr Dana feel that there are MORE so-called “illegals” than the anti-immigration groups estimate (4.5-5.5% of total US pop)?
BTW, U.S. State Dept officer Darren Beatty (Special Advisor on Brazil – to rescue trump buddy Bolsonaro and family) typed all the way back in 2024: “Competent white men must be in charge if you want things to work. Unfortunately, our entire national ideology is predicated on coddling the feelings of women and minorities, and demoralizing competent white men.”
Mr Dana would no doubt agree.
Our socialist from St Louis wrote:
I would not be surprised, though it’s obvious that we only “know” how many are here through supposedly scientific guesstimates, guesstimates which disagree to a significant extent.
It’s difficult to disagree! Not only did we have the great Presidents in the 18th and early 19th centuries, but we also did in the very early twentieth century, men like Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson — sort of — , and Calvin Coolidge. Later we wound up with mediocrities from John Kennedy through Jimmy Carter, and then Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden were both terrible. The empirical evidence proves the point!
If we look at the voting patterns, as clearly as we can determine, limiting the franchise to white male property owners would have resulted in great and strong governments!
Historians, mostly upper class white male, overwhelmingly disagree with our Mad Man from Madison.
The American Political Science Association (2024) rankings have:
1. Lincoln
2. FDR
3. Washington
4. Teddy R.
5. Jefferson
6. Harry Truman
7. Barack Hussein Obama
8. Eisenhower
10.LBJ
12.Clinton
14.Biden
16.Reagan
19.George H.W. Bush
22.Carter
27.Ford
32.W
35.Tricky Dick
45.Donny45
To be fair, in five rankings since 2018 Donny45 has ranked at 45, 43, 41, 42, 44, with Donny45 sneaking past Andrew Johnson and Buchanan.
47 is the worst ever.
No doubt the KKK, Project2025, Heritage, GOP, American Enterprise Institute, Christian Defense League, NAAWP, Putin, MAGA, Fair etc would vote differently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
Mr Dana is a white, christian nationalist.
Really, child? Quoting wikipedia?
Try quoting Grimm’s fairy tales – much more believable.
“Historians, mostly upper class white LIBERAL male, overwhelmingly disagree with our Mad Man from Madison.”
There you go. Much more accurate.
Oh, Stormy! Bring back that sunny day!
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
? Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass
The problem with the MAGAtist cult is that you make it as you go, just as does your ‘master’.
Stormy, we’ve never understood why conservatives feel education is a liberal bastion. You should try it, you may find it enlightening! Are conservatives just too busy hating everyone “else”?
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Mr Dana, one of the few coherent MAGAts here, states clearly why he considers Donny one of the greatest Presidents ever.
Sad.