I’ll say it again: I only like mail in ballots for a limited use, such as being out of state, like with college students. Out of country. Certain people that utterly just cannot get to the polling place. And people can mail them in a month before the election. Things happen in the last month. But, what if the ballots are showing up after election day?
SCOTUS conservatives signal readiness on curbing late-arriving mail ballots
The Supreme Court on Monday offered sharp ideological differences in considering a Mississippi election law that allows for the counting of mail-in ballots received after Election Day — a high-stakes court fight that could have significant implications for the November midterm elections, and determining control of the new Congress.
Justices heard roughly two hours of oral arguments in the case, Watson v. Republican National Committee, centered on a 2024 lawsuit brought against Mississippi’s state law that allows for the counting of mail-in ballots received up to five days after the election, so long as they are postmarked by or before Election Day.
Mississippi is one of 14 states — as well as the District of Columbia and three U.S. territories — that currently allow for the counting of late-arriving mail-in ballots, so long as the ballots are postmarked by or before Election Day.
During oral arguments, justices grappled with whether federal election-day statutes preempt various state laws, and sought to clarify what “the election” means when it comes to the actual casting and receiving of ballots.
In fact, federal law, 2 U.S. Code § 7 passed in 1845, which established the specific date of federal elections, being the “The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election…” Not a week after the election. There is no provision in the Constitution to mail anything in. Votes should be counted on election day, just like in most of the 1st World
Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett could be the deciding votes on the matter, and used their time to ask tough questions to lawyers for both sides.
“If Election Day is the voting and taking, then it has to be that day,” Roberts noted. He also questioned whether the interpretation of “Election Day” could impact early voting, asking lawyers whether their logic “requires a different consideration” for early ballots.
“Is there any limit to that? Fill out a ballot… and drop it off two weeks before?”
Sounds right. Election day should be election day. Make it a federal holiday.
Justice Samuel Alito pointed to concerns that “confidence in election outcomes can be seriously undermined” when results are delayed, which was echoed later by Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
“If the apparent winner the morning after the election ends up losing due to late arriving ballots, charges of a rigged election could explode,” Kavanaugh noted.
Or, even when all these ballots start showing up the next day, and they all seem to go for Democrats
Gorsuch pressed lawyers on various hypothetical questions, including how far states could go in pushing their own deadlines for accepting mail-in ballots, should the Supreme Court side with Mississippi in the case.
“If we were to rule against you, is there anything that would limit a state from allowing a receipt by election officials up until the day of the next Congress?” Gorsuch asked at one point during arguments.
Roberts is the wild card, but, I think we can expect the rest of the Republicans on the court to rule to disallow mail in ballots showing up after election day.
Zero mail in would make it impossible for many people to vote.
Truck drivers
Fishermen
People in nursing homes, hospitals
Many older citizens
Deployed military
Trump has always voted by mail.
Before ANY mail in ballot can be opened the signature on the outside of the envelope must be verified by 2 people of different parties to be a match of the signature on record with the original voter registration.
In the last election about 50 million of all votes were mailed in. Teach wants to restrict voting again not encourage people to vote.
“Late ballots always seem to be Democrat vote”
Well not surprising, how many presidential elections have had the Dems win the popular vote?
Fishermen?? Truck Drivers?? We have to make specific carve outs for certain job titles?
Mr smith² wrote:
Well, that’s what’s supposed to happen, but we just had the news that Fulton County, Georgia, certified 315,000 ballots without proper poll worker verification in 2020. The dummkopf from Delaware carried the Peachtree Stata by just 11,779 votes, but carried Fulton County (Atlanta) by 380,212 votes (72.57%) to 137,247 (26.20%), a margin of 242,965 votes. Those 315,000 improperly counted ballots almost certainly gave dementia Joe his margin of victory.
Teach typed: “Make it a federal holiday.”
The framers had in mind that white male propety owners would vote. The non-enslaved population then was about 2 million – about 1 milion white men – most were immigrants. Did they all have birth certificates? The framers also specifially put EACH state in charge of elections – even at the federal level.
Today, we have some 342 million people. And black, white, native Americans, women, men, all 18 and over.
Yes!! Make it a federal holiday, making it easier for all to vote. Also, add more polling places. Americans shouldn’t have to stand in line for 6 hrs to vote. Strangely, unfairly, election outcomes often depend on the weather!! Blizzards, deluges, heat waves, thunderstorms, hurricanes, floods, wildfires all depress the vote. No wonder conservatives support global warming!!
Eventually, voting will be done online.
Blocking/limiting mail-in voting harms Americans outside the U.S. – especially our military members – who vote predominantly Republic.
Liberals/Dems want more widespread voting – more women/Black/Hispanic/disadantaged. Conservatives/Repubes want male/white/advantaged voters just as the framers desired!!
As the husband of a registered nurse, I would remind everyone that not everyone gets off for federal holidays, and certain things can’t close: hospitals, police and fire departments, and a few other essential things.
Kentucky does things right. We have three days of early voting, the Friday, Saturday, and Monday before election day, held at the county courthouse or sheriff’s office, using paper ballots which are machine scanned, and retained if a recount is needed or for other reasons.
Mr Dowd wrote:
I agree that some places do need more polling places opened, but I’ve never seen anything close to a six hour wait. The longest line I can recall was about 45 minutes to vote, at the Francis Asbury Elementary School on Beach Road, in Hampton, Virginia; according to the 2000 Census, Hampton had a population of 146,437, so it wasn’t a small town.
Now living in a small county in the Bluegrass State, I’ve never seen more than a few people ahead of me to vote in the National Guard Armory; there was a longer line to vote on Saturday at the county sheriff’s office, but it still wasn’t bad.
If the weather deters some people from voting, those are the pussies we don’t want voting anyway!
Yeah, that’ll be completely secure!
Well, yes, we do! It is undeniable that we had better government when only white male property owners could vote!
St Louis County (~ 1 million pop) now has an “app” for tracking polling place lines (county residents can vote at any county site). At the last election I chose the shortest line (north county, near the airport, 12 miles from the nearest) but still had a two hour process. The line extended outside into the parking lot. We’re equidistant from two nearby (1/4 mile!!) sites, the high school and a middle school with lines wrapping around.
Not everyone has the luxury (or inclination) to spend hours in line.
Mr Dana worries about the security of online voting. Does he file his tax returns online? Pay bills? Accept Social Seurity payments, Medicare?
Mr Dana makes clear that he favors white males with property voting, and suppressing the votes of women, Black, Hispanics, Muslims, the poor etc is perfectly acceptable. Because he loves America so much! It’s just that he hates 2/3rd of the people here.
We would bet he favors the SAVE Act!!
BTW, your Hypocrite-in-Chief wants to eliminate mail-in voting!
Of course, he uses mail-in voting, LOL. But he’s special. Cult.