They have absolutely no idea how Keith Kinnunen obtained his shotgun, a weapon that Gun Grabbers usually approve of because they are for hunting, but, they are still going to go hardcore
The Texas church shooter should never have had access to a firearm
Lives were saved when a member of the volunteer security team at a Texas church fatally shot a gunman who had opened fire on the congregation during a Sunday morning church service. Thanks and praise for his skilled actions are due Jack Wilson. But what must not be forgotten or forgiven is that two innocent people were shot to death in a house of prayer by a man who — despite a troubled and violent past — had access to a gun because of this country’s lax gun laws.
“Keith is a violent, paranoid person with a long line of assault and batteries with and without firearms. He is a religious fanatic, says he’s battling a demon . . . He is not nice to anyone.†That is how one of his ex-wives described the gunman in 2012 as she sought a protective order against him. Keith Thomas Kinnunen, 43, who killed church deacon Anton Wallace, 64, and church security volunteer Richard White, 67, at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Tex., had an extensive rap sheet in numerous places across the United States. Included in his troubled history was the 2012 determination by an Oklahoma judge that he was mentally incompetent to stand trial on charges he attacked the owner of a doughnut shop; he was committed to a psychiatric facility. In 2016, he was arrested after being spotted acting suspiciously near an oil refinery in New Jersey while armed with a shotgun; he ended up pleading guilty to criminal trespass.
None of that prevented him from getting a firearm. Exactly how is unclear, but Texas has one of the nation’s least restrictive gun laws with no requirements for background checks when the seller is not a licensed dealer. That irrational permissiveness needs to be addressed, but gun advocates — cheered on by President Trump — instead seized on the terrible events to promote their agenda that the answer to gun violence is more guns. So much for not politicizing tragedy. And never mind the rates of suicides and homicides in Texas, or that the state has been home to some of the country’s deadliest mass shootings.
See, we should blame Trump. Of course. And Texas. And unlicensed gun dealers. Despite not knowing how he obtained the weapon. Despite there being lots and lots of shootings in states with every bit of gun control (excepting pure bannings and confiscation like they really want).
No licensed dealer would sell him a gun, because he was already banned from owning one. That 2016 arrest? One of the charges was unlawful possession of a weapon. Because he’s a felon. But, hey, criminals always obey the law, right?
The hero in Sunday’s shooting was not, as gun advocates would want us to believe, an ordinary churchgoer — the proverbial “good guy with a gun†— but rather a firearms instructor and gun range owner who has been a reserve deputy with a local sheriff’s department. It’s not hard to imagine an even greater tragedy if there had been someone less skilled than Mr. Wilson or if the shooter had been armed with a weapon that didn’t require it to be reloaded. Indeed, the next madman intent on killing as many people as possible, rather than being deterred by Sunday’s events, might conclude that he needs a more lethal weapon. Those who see more armed guards as the only answer are driving down a road of ever-intensifying escalation.
Of course they have to downplay this, but, really, it doesn’t matter what Jack Wilson’s pedigree is, he’s a private citizen engaging in his right to carry and plugged Kinnunen.
Instead of turning churches and schools into armed camps, we should do a better job of keeping guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. Gun control that includes strong background checks makes sense, as a majority of Americans understand.
Again, Kinnunen wouldn’t pass any background check. Further, how do you take away an illegally owned, and probably illegally obtained, firearm away from someone if you don’t know they have it? Well, with gun registration, of course. Which is where the Dem Gun Grabbers policies are going.
The killer murdered a member of the security staff, who presumably had a handgun. Fortunately, a trained security staff member shot and killed the murderer with a single, well-placed round.
The murderer had a long rap sheet, was mentally ill according to two ex-wives, and still was able to get a shotgun. The parishioners were fortunate he didn’t have a AR-15 with a drum magazine.
Shouldn’t we at least consider ways to keep guns out of the hands of proven crazy people? Too soon? Should we just accept that churchgoers and mosque attendees are just part of the roadkill necessary to keep our near unfettered access to firearms?
https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/keith-thomas-kinnunen/
How’s ’bout just being able to lock up nuts without a Constitutional amendment?
Mass shootings started when SCUS closed down the asylums.
Should we just accept that churchgoers and mosque attendees are just part of the roadkill necessary to keep our near unfettered access to firearms?
Well, you keep saying how we’re all white supremacists, anyway, so you’re the one sowing the hate.
And it seems more like churches and synagogues. It’s Moslems that are doing the killing, not getting killed.
The murderer had a long rap sheet, was mentally ill according to two ex-wives, and still was able to get a shotgun.
Yep.
So let’s fix the laws that allowed him to do that. No one here is arguing that people with “long rap sheets” or felons should have a weapon.
However, the path that you, John and other people on the left want to take is to make any weapon illegal to be owned by citizens, even if that citizen is not crazy and does not have a “long rap sheet” and has no history of mental health.
Those on the right have long said “fix and enforce the laws on the books” and the left, ignoring that laws don’t affect criminals, say “we need more laws.”
It is clear that the left hates gun owners. After all, all the left has is hate.
Of course you are wrong in your assumptions, as you present your straw man argument. I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
To the point, how do we keep weapons out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill? Any useful suggestions? In fact, for whatever reason the right (and the NRA) don’t want to solve problems. Dead worshipers, children and other innocents are the price we pay for freedom.
It’s quite likely I possess more guns than you. And my best friends are gun owners.
Stop your lying. After all, all you have is hate. And lies.
I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
Of course, you are. That’s what this is all about.
And what straw man did git use, exactly?
To the point, how do we keep weapons out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill? Any useful suggestions? In fact, for whatever reason the right (and the NRA) don’t want to solve problems. Dead worshipers, children and other innocents are the price we pay for freedom.
Oh, yes, you bleed all over the floor for those white supremacists who want an all-Christian nation again and the bitter clingers.
I’ve said it before. You want to we keep weapons out of the hands of felons and the mentally ill? Reopen the asylums and bring back hard time. Take the rights away from the criminals and purge the Lefties off the bench at all levels.
In fact, for whatever reason the Left doesn’t want to solve problems. They never do. If problems were solved, they’d be out of business.
FIFY
It’s quite likely I possess more guns than you. And my best friends are gun owners.
You don’t have any friends and your private arsenal is pictures cut from magazines.
If you believe people shouldn’t have firearms, turn yours in.
Stop your lying. After all, all you have is hate. And lies.
You can’t be a Lefty without being a hater and your lies are ridiculously transparent.
LOLGFY
I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
You have said so in the past.
Were you lying then, or are you lying now?
In fact, for whatever reason the right (and the NRA) don’t want to solve problems.
The problem is that people on the left like yourself want to ban all guns in the hands of private owners.
It is another case where the left, who only has hate, seeks to keep guns out of the hands of minorities for protection showing a hate against those same minorities.
If you possess more guns, then why aren’t you leading by example and getting rid of them? Is this another case where you won’t do what you want others to do?
Tsk tsk.
Once again, we all see how you and the left hate others rights, but want to keep those same rights for yourself.
All the left has is hate.
I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
You have said so in the past.
Prove it. You’re either mistaken or deliberately lying. Which is it? (Recall you also said I claimed to be a CEO, which I didn’t). Your fecund imagination doesn’t make your claims true.
Why would I get rid of my firearms since I don’t advocate banning all firearms. You make little sense now, although you used to.
All you have is hate. And lies. I’m sad for you. Sometimes mental deterioration leads to anger.
Best wishes.
I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
Yet once again, that is what you have said.
Prove it.
You don’t remember what you have said?
(Recall you also said I claimed to be a CEO, which I didn’t)
Never said it. So nice try.
Why would I get rid of my firearms since I don’t advocate banning all firearms.
Because you have advocated for the banning of all firearms. It is not my fault that you don’t remember what you say or the implications of what you say.
Sometimes mental deterioration leads to anger.
Well, there you go. Instead of actually acknowledging issues and your comments, you lash out with more hate.
All the left has is hate.
How ya going to keep guns outta crazies?
The guy what killed some jews used a machette..
Take away the guns and they will be running them over with cars. Take away cars next? Even battery cars weight a lot.
There have been lots of deaths in Europe where guns are next to impossible to obtain. The perps use guns, knifves and vehicles to get the job done. In sweeden they are throwing grenades into apartment houses.
So tell me just exactly how ya gonna take away the guns from crazies and who gets to decide? More of that fascist deep state wanting to direct our lives in certain ways. The constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. doesnt say only the sane ones do.
News flash Elwood, in Virginia that just went solid blue bought and paid for by a billionaire Bloomberg, they voted in a whole bunch of very strict gun control laws including jailing people who failed to comply.
AS of today 95 counties have declared themselves sancutaries and are now considereing raising a MILITIA to defend themselves against gun grabbers.
I wonder Elwood are these counties wrong for declaring themselves sanctuary counties considering you are all in favor of resisting the law when it comes to immigrant sanctuaries?
Dear Chump.
Don’t get ahead of yourself. In Virginia, the new democratic slim majority legislature has not yet been seated, so they have not yet passed any laws about guns or anything else. Virginia only has 95 counties and the ones that are dominated by Democrats are certainly NOT “sanctuaries”.
Further, Bloomberg paid a lot in the last election, but the state went blue because of voters. “red voters” stayed home from the elections or they had to go to work, it was on off year. “Blue voters’, often migrants from states where the Blue policies drove them to seek greener pastures, are increasing in numbers. In an off year election, that mattered. It’s not about Bloomberg. It’s about the voters. It’s always about the voters.
The people who survived the church shooting in Texas wish that the Wapo and the whiny little sissybitch would just go f*ck themselves.
Most sane people agree.
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They certainly sound mine Christians Don’t they !!!
Hypocrite Hare is hitting the sauce in the John again.
Bear suit coming up.
Our Tarheel host asked:
But the person who owns a firearm illegally isn’t going to register it in the first place. Registration only matters if the government tries to make certain weapons illegal and attempts to confiscate them from legal owners.
The states that have the highest rates of gun ownership usually have the highest rates of gun violence
You mean all those states with Democrat-run paradises of gun control in them?
I can only speak for myself but I am not in favor of making all firearms illegal.
Lie. You have said so in the past.
Prove it. You’re either mistaken or deliberately lying. Which is it? (Recall you also said I claimed to be a CEO, which I didn’t). Your fecund imagination doesn’t make your claims true.
No, I think it was Dana said that. I think you live in Mommy’s basement. And you’re in favor of red flag laws, keeping firearms away anyone the political poobahs deem a threat, letting only the cops have guns, etc.
You want firearms out of everyone’s hands but the cops. As long as they march in lockstep with their Lefty masters.
Can’t wait to see what happens in VA if Governor Blackface orders them to start collecting.
Why would I get rid of my firearms since I don’t advocate banning all firearms. You make little sense now, although you used to.
This your new tagline? You must bejoking.
And any firearms you ever owned were made by Mattel.
All you have is hate. And lies. I’m sad for you. Sometimes mental deterioration leads to anger.
Which is why you’re posting all this drivel. ’20 is going to be a great year for Conservatives, but Hell for people like you.
Block out your appointment with a shrink for 11/4. You’ll need it.
LOLGFY
I take it Lenny Bruce is still dead.
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