This doesn’t seem that bad, right?
House slated to vote on most significant gun control bill in years
The House is slated to vote Wednesday on landmark legislation to require universal background checks for gun sales, a top priority for Democrats.
It will mark the most significant gun control vote in years after the Senate failed in 2013 to pass similar bipartisan legislation to expand the federal background check system.
It’s not the only day this week the House will take up legislation to address gun violence.
House Democrats plan to follow Wednesday’s vote with another on Thursday for a bill to lengthen the review period for background checks, which is meant as a response to the 2015 shooting at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C. (snip)
The universal background checks measure would require background checks to cover sales made at gun shows and over the internet. Current law only mandates federally licensed firearms dealers to conduct background checks before making a gun sale.
The universal background checks measure, authored by Reps. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) and Pete King (R-N.Y.), is titled the Bipartisan Background Checks Act.
But it’s not expected to attract more than a handful of House GOP votes beyond the five who have co-sponsored the bill: Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Brian Mast (Fla.), Fred Upton (Mich.), Chris Smith (N.J.) and King.
The waiting periods one would mandate a 10 day waiting period, which would give Los Federales more time to perform the background check, then another 10 days if the check hasn’t been completed. This changes from the current federal three days, in which they sometimes fail to get it done, which means it is approved. As for background checks, there are a few squishy Republicans, like the above.
But House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who was nearly killed in 2017 after a man targeting GOP lawmakers opened fire on a congressional baseball practice, is on the opposite side of the debate. He doesn’t think the legislation would have necessarily prevented recent mass shootings. The man who shot him, for example, had obtained his firearms legally.
“If you look at the bill, it wouldn’t have stopped many of these mass shootings. What it would do is make it harder for law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights,†Scalise told The Hill on Tuesday.
Which is exactly the point of these bills, and the more to come.
Thompson dismissed criticism that his legislation wouldn’t have prevented recent mass shootings, arguing that shouldn’t be a reason to reject expanding background checks.
“As far as anybody who says, ‘Well, this bill wouldn’t have solved this incident’? The only thing that will solve every one is to do away with guns,†Thompson said Tuesday.
So, it won’t actually solve the issues they’re claiming it will solve? Huh. Just look at California, which already requires these background checks, yet, has lots of shootings.
(Daily Caller) “They’re bills that [Democrats are] putting on the floor under the guise of saying that they’re going to address issues related to gun violence — neither one of these bills would have done anything to stop some of the tragedies that we have seen,†Republican Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney told a crowd, referring to the Bipartisan Background Checks Act (HR 8) and the Enhanced Background Checks Act (HR 1112).
The House is expected to vote on HR 8 and HR 1112 by Friday, which would require a background check for nearly every firearm purchase and a 10-day waiting period for firearm sales, respectively. While neither bill specifically calls for a national gun registry, GOP lawmakers argue neither could be enforced without a federal database in place. (snip)
Republican Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz further criticized Democrats for trying to impose anti-gun legislation that “fails to protect vulnerable people†while simultaneously voting against GOP-sponsored, “common sense†measures like notifying Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) when an illegal immigrant fails a background check.
“This isn’t really about public safety,†Gaetz said. “It’s about blood lust that Democrats have to take away guns from law-abiding citizens.â€
You really can’t do it without a registry, and the same people want to protect illegal aliens who attempt to buy a firearm through legal channels (which very few actually do). Very little of this, nor their upcoming bills, targets actual bad people, just the law abiding firearms owners.
10 days for the background? But we already have instantaneous background checks. So, they want us to buy older, slower computers and use dial-in modems? Or maybe required a mail-in background check.
It is a total absurdity to demand universal background checks. Especially for a in-family gun. Who knows a gun buyer better than his own family? A bunch of state data managers?
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Give them nothing. Ever!
Everything they do is to diminish the 2nd Amendment, and this bill would have done absolutely nothing to prevent any of the crimes committed.
Of course, since I am older than 15, I have seen this song and dance before. I know it is never enough. I know that the ultimate goal is total disarmament of the population (but not the government). The half a loaf, then another half a loaf is the common way for Democrats to get to their goals. Most Americans DON’T want more gun control and no gun owners want more “control”.
pH typed: Most Americans DON’T want more gun control
90% DO want improved background checks, e.g., for all gun transactions
pH typed: no gun owners want more “controlâ€
I’m a gun owner (rifles, shotguns, pistols) and I have no problem with more control, e.g., background checks, magazine limits, safe keeping laws. I know many gun owners who have no problem with more control.
Sorry, Elwood but 90% don’t want more anything. That’s a blatant lie. 90% of Americans can’t agree on anything. However, the ones who do want more gun control have been lied to by you gun grabbing leftists. The only gun transfers that don’t have background checks are private sales and gun thefts. There is no gun show nor mail order loophole. And any American who wants to officially transfer ownership of his firearm during a private sale can do so. Just go to a licensed gun dealer and transfer it.
You don’t have a problem with gun control because 1) you don’t care about the Constitution or you wouldn’t be a leftist, 2) You hate America or you wouldn’t be a leftist and 3) you erroneously believe that as an Elitist Leftist Communist these laws will not apply to you.
You only have a problem with us owning guns, not you.
Sorry, Kye but 90% DO favor universal background checks. You may not agree with the methodology of the polls but the statement is certainly not a blatant lie.
_—-Universal” is the term for background checks to be done on every gun sale. We found support for that policy at 94 percent in the latest national poll. Support ranged between 84 percent and 89 percent in the four other most recent polls. Experts say support at or near 90 percent has been consistent for years.—-
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/oct/03/chris-abele/do-90-americans-support-background-checks-all-gun-/
Kye typed: 1) you don’t care about the Constitution —- That’s erroneous on your part. I care very much about our Constitution but simply disagree with you that any limits on firearms are violations of the 2nd Amendment, which reads in whole:
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
2) You hate America —- Untrue. I love America and our Constitution and the freedoms from oppression it provides. You may not agree with my policy positions but that doesn’t mean you love this country more than I do.
3) you erroneously believe that as an Elitist Leftist Communist these laws will not apply to you —- Again, untrue. I am not a communist, but a capitalist, investor with years in Fortune 500 companies, and would fully expect laws passed to apply to me, my friends and my family.
I own hunting rifles (30-30s, 30-.06s, .243, .22, 7mm, 50cal smokepoles) and shotguns (410, 20, 12 and an antique 16G double) and pistols. Maybe about 20 or so. We keep them locked in gun safes.
I’ll admit, I do not fully understand the perceived need for semi-auto AR-15 military type rifles, but do understand many people want them and the manufacturers are pleased to supply them. Although they seem to be the firearm of choice for mass murderers, few Americans die in mass murders each year, but the events send shock waves through our society. Whether fair or not, the enormity of a mass murder of 10 is greater than 10 dying in turf wars in Chicago.
And if any of my children were gay I would love and support them the same as if they weren’t.
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The radical leftists (Democrat-Communists) with their propaganda arm in the media have been able to paint the NRA, a grass roots Second Amendment Organization supported by individual citizens and their donations as some sort of evil club while Planned Parenthood which receives over $500 million in taxpayers money and murders 700,000 Americans a year is portrayed as some kind of “women’s health” association. We’ve been screwed with better propaganda. Anti Americans and communists are good at that.
The NRA is a lobbying organization for the gun manufacturing industry, and were even infiltrated by Russians as an avenue into the Trumpublican Party.
“NRA reported spending a record $55 million on the 2016 elections, including $30 million to support Trump – triple what the group devoted to backing Republican Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential race. Most of that was money was spent by an arm of the NRA that is not required to disclose its donors.”
“Were infiltrated by Russians…â€. Joe McCarthy-How have you been?
The NRA is a lobbying organization for THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS by citizens not gun manufacturers. Do you believe every f*****g lie told to you by Leftists, Inc? Don’t you ever stop to read the literature or talk to the actual members? And even if it were for gun manufacturers as you so foolishly state, so what? Don’t other businesses including Planned Parenthood have lobbyists? Don’t they also spend money without being required to disclose its donors? The NRA has no special privileges in fact they have fewer. Hell, PP gets tax money the NRA doesn’t and owning guns is ACTUALLY in the Constitution, abortion and killing babies last I looked is not.