Who watched the debate, raise your hand. OK, good. I watched for about the first 40 minutes, before I realized that game 4 of the Dodgers-Cubs was on, and never really went back to the debate. Trump started strong, but, really missed some big opportunities to hit back at Hillary with facts that matter. He really whiffed early on when the questions turned to the economy. Then there was this, which has sent the NY Times editorial board into apoplexy (not that they need much impetus when they’re writing about a Republican. It’s what they do)
Donald Trump’s Contempt for Democracy
Donald Trump turned, in the third and final presidential debate, from insulting the intelligence of the American voter to insulting American democracy itself. He falsely insisted there were “millions of people†registered to participate in the election who did not have the right to vote and declared he would not commit to honoring the outcome.
Dead people voting in Chicago and illegal aliens were very upset by Trump’s comments.
Hillary Clinton was clearly shocked that he was attacking the very foundation of the republic, the American tradition of peacefully transferring power. “That’s horrifying,†she said, rightly. At one point, Mr. Trump even said, outrageously, “She shouldn’t be allowed to run.â€
She should be in front of jury, if not in jail. The fix was in, and almost anyone else would have been prosecuted.
Mr. Trump arrived at the debate in Las Vegas after days of making venomous attacks on the democratic process, and by implication, the voters’ ability to make sound choices. Asked about whether he would accept the election result, he tersely answered, “I will look at it at the time.†In rejecting his answer, Mrs. Clinton noted that Mr. Trump is a chronic complainer when he loses, even in an Emmy award competition. But applying his loser’s lament to an American presidential election is a far different proposition than whining about a TV show. “He is talking down our democracy,†Mrs. Clinton warned.
Oh, noes, he might not accept the results!!!!!! Here’s what he actually said, via the transcript
Trump: I will look at it at the time. I’m not looking at anything now, I’ll look at it at the time. What I’ve seen, what I’ve seen, is so bad. First of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt and the pile on is so amazing. “The New York Times” actually wrote an article about it, but they don’t even care. It is so dishonest, and they have poisoned the minds of the voters. But unfortunately for them, I think the voters are seeing through it. I think they’re going to see through it, we’ll find out on November 8th, but I think they’re going to see through it. If you look —
That keeps going for a bit, winding through the things the NYTEB complains about and spins a bit. Just search “horrifying” in the transcript, and it starts a bit up the page. Because this is not the point. Many Republicans are rightly raising what Al Gore did in 2000. And they’re correct.
Al Gore and his people refused to accept the results of Florida 2000. Even though 27 of the 28 voting precints with issues were run by Democrats, they kept pushing and pushing, taking it too court, trying to circumvent the law. And the media did not want the illegal recounts to end. They wanted Gore. Gore never has fully accepted the loss, nor have so many Democrats. They’re still writing articles about it. They’re still saying that the election was stolen. They same the same about Ohio 2004.
And going into the 2004 elections, Democrats were talking about not accepting the results if Bush won. Wait, wait, let me write the name like Democrats: B*sh. Or B***. Or even ****. They also like the pResident. And Occupier in Chief. Everything was about having George Bush as the illegal resident of the White House (along with utter Bush Derangement Syndrome). They talked about not accepting the decision if McCain won in 2008.
Hillary and her team didn’t want to accept the results of the 2008 Democratic Primary, and, instead, fought right to the end, when they were demanding a floor count. They were complaining about massive voter fraud during the primary, mostly from Team Obama.
This is politics, folks. It’s a dirty, nasty business. All sides engage in shenanigans, and claim the other side engages in shenanigans.
Crossed at Right Wing News.
As another commenter pointed out we are not now and never were a democracy. The US is a republic. Our ideals and principles are republican not democratic. The founders did not trust our nation to the nation’s voters. We elect elites to rule over us, we do not decide every funding bill, every regulation, every pay raise, every highway expansion, every foreign invasion by popular vote. As another commenter pointed out, even saying that the US is democratic is unConstitutional.
So in fact Trump (and Teach) are correct to hate democracy, since all elections are rigged by illegal voters being flown into Ohio to dead Negroes voting multiple times in Philly, Chicago and St. Louis.
Trump only has confidence in voting when he’s the winner. He certainly did not turn down the Republican nomination that was decided by people voting.
That PTSD acting up again, little g.i. jeffy?
Mike Wallace’s son also mischaracterized the future of Social Security and Medicare (as did the moderator of the 1st debate). In fact, Social Security and Medicare are no more a cause of national debt than is our military budget, but Washington elites (Dems and Reps) both want to slash Social Security and Medicare payouts while increasing the financial burden on the working classes. Clinton was exactly right that Trump’s $20 trillion expansion of our national debt would put further pressure on the elites to slash Social Security and Medicare.
Here’s an informative essay by an obstetrician taking both Clinton and Trump to task for practicing medicine on stage:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-confuses-birth-with-abortion-and-no-there-are-no-ninth-month-abortions_us_5808dfa2e4b0dd54ce389b61?section=
Charitable grants are not a major focus of the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, which instead keeps most of its money in house and hires staff to carry out its own humanitarian programs (1) The charity watchdog group Charity Navigator gave the Foundation its highest possible rating, four out of four stars, after its customary review of the Foundation’s financial records and tax statements(2). A different charity monitor, CharityWatch, says that 88% of the foundation’s money goes toward its charitable mission and gave the foundation an A rating for 2016(3).
1. Jacobson, Louis (April 29, 2015). “Rush Limbaugh says Clinton Foundation spends just 15 percent on charity, 85 percent on overhead”. PolitiFact.
2. Sullivan, Eileen. “Charity watchdog gives Clinton Foundation the highest possible rating”, Business Insider (September 1, 2016).
3. https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478
The Clinton Family Foundation (different from above) has donated over $14 million of the Clinton’s money to charity over the past severak years.
That “nasty man” Donnie Trump solicits money from outsiders for his family foundation and donates other people’s money to charity. It’s a con. He has used other people’s money to buy portraits of himself, to pay off debt and to pay off the Florida Attorney General. And his supporters consider Hillary a crook, LOL.
Trump is a con man running his biggest con yet.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306261/House-horrors-abortion-clinic-worker-handed-screaming-newborn-eyes-mouth-asked-deal-it.html
Yep!
Once a liar always a liar.
Yep!
Once again, little g.i. jeffy, will you regale us with your heroic stories of battling thru the hot humid air –it was the monsoon season,you know– in the asphalt jungles of St. LOUIS just to volunteer for the Army in 1971?
There was a war going on, ya now…
I know, I know, like most Vietnam almost “vets” sharing your stories of all the horrors you had to face as a lonely scared teenager trying to enlist against insurmountable odds in the Army in 1971 has to be painful.
But it will help you to share, little almost g.i. jeffy, and ease your pain.
That “nasty man†Donnie Trump solicits money from outsiders for his family foundation and donates other people’s money to charity. It’s a con. He has used other people’s money to buy portraits of himself, to pay off debt and to pay off the Florida Attorney General. And his supporters consider Hillary a crook, LOL.
IF this is TRUE…….why do you care……You fully support and endorse HRC who has done the same things and far worse……..
Laim,
Why do I care that a con man and scam artist is running for president? Because he’d be a horrible president. He is unfit for the job.
Secretary Clinton will make an excellent president.
Here’s another take on the media myth that Social Security is causing the debt and that cutting SS will help.
http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/chris-wallace-supply-demand-and-the-government-budget-deficit
Turns out video editor extraordinaire, James O’Keefe is on Trump’s payroll.
Clinton is not responsible for what “they” say or do, only for what she says
Trump himself said he might not respect the outcome of the election, however, most of his team and Party have said that they will. See a difference there Teach?
Robert Creamer, paging Robert Creamer…
Busted like a phony Vietnam “vet”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3850226/Democratic-strategist-steps-post-video-surfaced-purportedly-showing-hired-people-incite-violence-Trump-rallies.html
Thanks for mentioning G. W. Bush again, Teach, Few give him credit for being a great POTUS, in fact few even think he was a middling POTUS hew is in fact the most despised POTUS in modern history beating out #2 Nixon He recorded approval ratings in the teens which meant even his base turned against him