We’re obviously still at the “he said she said” point of the investigation, yet, this information seems that it would be important enough that it would be featured in more news outlets other than The Daily Caller. Mind you, this is just a preliminary report
According to a preliminary report from a St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter, police say that more than a dozen witnesses back Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s version of the events that led to the fatal shooting of Michael Brown.
Post-Dispatch reporter Christine Byers sent a tweet late Monday teasing her findings.
Wilson’s claims match a woman who called herself “Josie†who called into Dana Loesch’s radio show on Friday. CNN confirmed with police officials that Josie’s and Wilson’s versions match.
According to Josie, Wilson, a six-year police veteran, claims Brown assaulted and then “bum rushed†him during their encounter on August 9.
The assault followed after Wilson drove upon Brown and a friend walking in the street. Wilson told the two to move to the sidewalk. After driving forward, Wilson reportedly received a dispatch call about a strong-arm robbery at a convenience store.
Brown allegedly stole cigars from the store and shoved a store clerk. According to Josie, Wilson says he saw the cigars and then confronted Brown and his friend.
Wilson reversed his car back towards Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson.
Josie said that Wilson tried to exit his cruiser but that Brown pushed the door back on him and came after him. She said that after Brown assaulted Wilson, Brown bolted, and, as “protocol†dictates, the officer pursued and ordered Brown to “freeze.â€
At that point, Brown turned around and rushed Officer Wilson, who fired his service weapon, striking Brown 6 times, killing him. This stands in stark contrast to the 4 witnesses who provide a different story, including Brown’s friend and partner in crime (theft from the convenience store), Dorian Johnson.
What’s the real story? Hopefully we will find out shortly. Or, really, hopefully Ferguson will find out in short order, in order to de-escalate the violence in Ferguson, which exploded yet again Monday
(KMOV) Police said 31 people were arrested, two people were shot, and four officers were injured during the protests in Ferguson Monday night.
A flurry of gunshots was heard late Monday night coming from Canfield Dr. Police said one person was shot in the hand and they did not disclose the injuries of the other person. Both shooting victims are expected to survive.
Criminals rampaged through the city. Police had bottles and rocks thrown at them, and were struck by some. Firefighters battled several fires. Molotov cocktails were reportedly thrown yet again. Business were broken in to yet again.The local schools are now going to be closed till at least next week. Business have been boarding up knowing theirs could be the beneficiaries of looting.
Missouri Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson has recommended that legitimate peaceful protesters protest during the day, so that the criminal elements cannot hide within the protests.
What happens today and tonight? Will the National Guard be out in force?
Crossed at Right Wing News.
Part of what “Josi” said is this:
The problem with that story is that Ferguson Chief of Police Jackson said on Friday that Officer Wilson did not initiate the stop based on the robbery at the QuickTrip and was unaware of the robbery when he stopped Brown and his accomplice.
Whether Josi or Jackson is telling the truth is a matter for conjecture, but both cannot be correct.
Exactly. Some are saying that there should be no grand jury. I disagree. One needs to be empaneled so they can hear all the relevant facts and witness statements. I’m against federal involvement, this is a state issue, and, quite frankly, we can’t trust Holder’s DOJ. Have the investigation. If Wilson violated the law, well, then, charge him.
In fact, this is not a report at all, preliminary or otherwise. Supposed police “sources” told a sympathetic Post-Dispatch reporter that “more than a dozen witnesses” corroborated the killer’s story. She tweeted what they told her.
Here’s the entire “REPORT” tweeted by the reporter: “Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting.”
Some reporting there, Daily Caller.
What is Officer Wilson’s version? To my knowledge, there has been no incident report released Are we to believe that the Officer Wilson’s official version is the story from Josie told on Dana Loesch’s radio show? Josie was described as a friend of Officer Wilson. So, according to CNN, Wilson told similar stories to the investigators and a friend. It’s a good thing “Josie” and Dana Loesch got the story out to the public right away so that “more than a dozen witnesses” could corroborate it.
Meanwhile, the mysterious Josie has not been confirmed as a friend, and the incident report containing what Officer Wilson told investigators is still just a rumor.
Now, it seems, neither the clerk nor any store employee reported a theft, shoplifting, robbery or called 911. Another customer called in and reported an apparent robbery.
It seems likely that Officer Wilson didn’t know anything about the alleged shoplifting incident at the time of his interactions with Mr. Brown, a hypothesis supported by the multiple conflicting stories proffered by the Ferguson Chief.
Witness Piaget Crenshaw (brave enough to come forward – as opposed to a “more than a dozen witnesses” who supposedly support Officer Wilson’s rumored story) said she saw a struggle at the police car, as if Wilson was trying to get Brown into the car. Brown took off running with Wilson shooting at him. Brown turned around and Wilson kept shooting until Brown dropped to the street, dead.
Two men can keep a secret, when one of them is dead.
Once again, we see that Jeffery has issues in reading and comprehension.
The call to the Loesch show was on Friday, August 15th, Jeffery. Are you saying that the witnesses hadn’t spoken to the police before then?
The call doesn’t allow the witnesses to collaborate Wilson’s story as one would hope the police would have his statement by then.
The producers of the show verified that Josi was in fact who she claimed to be. (It is amazing that you seem to ignore facts.)
You also seem to forget that others came forward to say that Brown was shot in the back, a fact we now know is not supported by the evidence.
You also have this eyewitness account which seems to support the idea that Brown was continuing to “rush” Wilson.
Teach and others (like myself) have taken the approach of “we don’t know what happened in the actual shooting but we are going to talk about what is factual.”
You on the other hand are so convinced that Wilson gunned down Brown without any provocation or legal authority that you will dismiss any facts to the contrary.
Jeff,
You can’t really believe what you wrote? What is more plausible, that Brown was a thug (as per the videos) and attacked the officer in his car and then attempted to do so in the street (resulting in his death) or the fact that the officer just decided to start unloading a gun at an innocent honor student who was going to college? Maybe you would want to look at the news from around the country to see what happens when a white man does the same thing, namely that he gets shot and killed just like Brown.
g2,
It was a tweet, not a report. Teach makes it sound as if the MEDIA were suppressing some evidence that only the Daily Caller would publish.
I hadn’t heard that The Dana Show established the identity of Josie. With your history of misinformation, you don’t mind sharing that information do you?
Since Josie ostensibly got her info directly from the killer, I assume her story would match the official story that he told the investigators.
Haha. Teach has taken the approach that we wait for the facts, but runs the Daily Caller nonsense. Nice try.
I didn’t say that the killer shot Mr. Brown without provocation. He may well have been provoked. Many officers and wannabe-officers kill unarmed Black kids out of fear. But I see absolutely no reason to accept the killer’s story as true at this time.
The official police version of the cigar incident continues to unravel.
We’ll only ever have the killer’s side of the story as to what happened at the police vehicle, as Mr. Brown is conveniently dead. What did the killer say to Brown? What did Brown say back? Why do you use deadly force to apprehend a jaywalker?? Maybe Brown reached in the vehicle and bitch-slapped the killer for making a racial slur. Maybe the killer felt emasculated and exploded. You don’t get to be a Ferguson cop by finishing at the top of your in class in cop school.
Again, nice try there Jeffy but it looks like this ‘tweet’ is getting closer to being substantiated. Reports are now coming out and being confirmed that the officer, or killer as you call him, had multiple facial fractures from his run in with this nice, upstanding youth.
How exactly is the shoplifting story unraveling? Especially when there is video of this fine young man knocking the crap out of the store clerk/owner as he made his way out the door with the stolen box of cigars.
Jeffery,
No, it is a report as defined by: a widely circulated statement or item of news; rumor; gossip.
an account of a speech, debate, meeting, etc., especially as taken down for publication.
You mean the reporter sending the tweet / report isn’t a fact?
Yet you are perfectly happy to try and discredit the version of the story that is out there because it doesn’t fit your racially motivated view of the incident.
The police version was that they were called to the store to investigate. They went. How is that “unraveling?” The owner of the QuikTrip released a statement saying that neither he nor any employee called the police. That doesn’t mean they weren’t called to the store.
In fact, I would hope they would have been called to the store as the video shows Brown assaulting the owner. I would think it is a good thing that people in a community look out for acts of violence such as what the tape showed and called the police.
Are you saying that the police didn’t go to the QuikTrip? Are you saying that it despite Johnson admitting it was he and Brown on the tape it wasn’t them?
You really have comprehension problems, Jeffery.
But let’s say that Officer Wilson did not know about the robbery. That seems to be critical to your point. So while Wilson may not have known, Brown did know. It is possible that Brown started a confrontation because he thought the cop was going to arrest him for the robbery (which is a felony in case you aren’t aware) because he had the stolen cigars in his hand.
Whether Wilson knew about the robbery may give insight to how he reacted. Brown definitely knew of the robbery and that may give insight to how he reacted.
Boy, you really jump in their with 2 feet of delusion, don’t you. Most of the media was more than willing to trot out all sorts of rumor, innuendo, facts, etc, when it fit the narrative, but, anything that is contradictory they seem to want to ignore.
This doesn’t need mean that it is correct. However, unlike you, I’m willing to listen to all the different points of views. I would like to know What Happened. You, on the other hand, have already made up your mind that the officer is a stone cold killer, and would prefer to frog march him in handcuffs to the gas chamber.
Nightie,
The odious jimhoft, the Gateway Pudendum, the stupidest man on the internets, and a proven liar, reported that the police and the DA told him of Wilson’s alleged injuries. An orbital blowout fracture! Hoft even showed a CT scan (not of Wilson though, lol). Yet, Piaget Crenshaw’s video shows the killer walking around and talking with his colleagues with no apparent injuries. Certainly, nothing as severe as a blown out eye socket and multiple facial fractures. Don’t believe what jimhoft tries to pass as of fact.
The shoplifting story is unraveling as the Ferguson Chief tries to get his story straight. The story is irrelevant unless the killer knew his victim was a suspect. The Chief hasn’t made that clear yet.
G2 makes a rare good point – that what Mr. Brown thought the Officer might know is relevant. But if the cigar thieves were worried about the police why were they walking in the middle of the street drawing attention to themselves? Why did they engage with Wilson at all?
Brown hardly knocked the crap out of the clerk.
Teach, I don’t know if Wilson is stone cold, but he is certainly a killer. That is a fact.
Lads,
You are doing everything you can to smear and blame the victim, Michael Brown, and everything you can to support and exonerate his killer, Officer Wilson. That’s why you pimp a headline, “Over a Dozen Witnesses Support Ferguson Police Officer’s Account” rather than telling the truth: An Anonymous Police Source Claims Over a Dozen Witnesses Support Officer’s Account
In many states the story linked below would be unwelcome. But here in my home state of MO, the KKK will do OK (outside of KC and StL).
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/18/klan-heading-to-ferguson-to-guard-white-businesses-back-shooting-of-ngger-criminal/
1) We don’t know if that is Wilson on the video and neither did Crenshaw when she shot the video. (the reason I say this is that the cop on the video is bald and the only shots I have seen of Wilson shows him with hair.)
2) The police said early on in the investigation that Wilson was taken to the hospital with injuries to his face. The extent of the injury is speculation, but as witnesses told reporters there was a struggle and Brown hit Wilson, it is believable that Wilson was injured. Furthermore, in the CNN interview, Crenshaw herself says the person she believes to be Wilson was pacing and appeared disoriented. He may not have realized the extent of his injuries until others said something to him.
The shoplifting story isn’t unraveling as you keep trying to say. Johnson admitted it was Brown in the video.
The story is not irrelevant as I explained before.
I’ll also quote Dana from Patterico who makes the balanced argument on the admissibility of the store robbery in any case against Wilson::
You’d have to ask Johnson who has said they were less than a minute away from their destination and walking in the middle of the street.
In other words, there is a difference between walking down the middle of the street thinking you have gotten away with a felony and looking forward to school on Monday and suddenly having a cop near you talking while you hold stolen goods that you got by hitting a store owner.
According to most of the witnesses and Johnson, Wilson pulled up in front of them and said to get on the sidewalk In his initial story, Johnson said they didn’t move to the sidewalk and Wilson doubled back on them.
The “Josi” story says that Wilson had gotten the call about the robbery at that time. Johnson initially said he did not hear the conversation between Johnson and Wilson. We don’t know what was said but if Wilson knew about the robbery, the question of “where’d you get the cigars?” could have set Brown off.
The “engagement” as you call it, seems to have occurred because Brown and Johnson did not move away.
WHY they did not move away is the real question. We also don’t know the reason for the altercation while Wilson was in the car.
Johnson has said that Wilson reached out and grabbed Brown by the neck. That seems dubious to me as 1) from all pictures Brown had a thick neck and 2) it is difficult to reach up to a 6′ 4″ tall person from inside a car, grab his neck and then pull him inside the car.
Maybe. But his actions in the store are felonious. He assaulted the manager in the commission of a robbery. That’s a fact.
People kill in self defense every day. While that may mean they are technically a “killer,” that doesn’t mean the shooting was legally and morally justified.
But once again, Teach is asking questions and commenting on what is factual. On my site I am doing the same. Neither of us has come to a conclusion on whether Wilson’s actions were justifiable or criminal.
You, on the other hand, have come to the conclusion that Wilson gunned down Brown for no reason. You base that on the race of the officer and the race of Brown and not the facts.
Jeffery,
That’s why you pimp a headline
So why are you pimping the story of the morally repugnant KKK coming to Ferguson?
The only reason is that the KKK has taken the position that Brown deserved to die and Wilson is a hero. Of course, that is not what anyone that here has said, but you are trying to paint people with a broad brush because you don’t like your own racism and bigotry being on display.
I guess you’d rather remain a closet bigot and racist but lack the self control in situations like this.
But if you want to trade headlines, let’s go with this:
Black Panthers Lead Death Chant for Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, MO
In my opinion, both the actions of the Black Panthers calling for the death of Wilson and the actions of the KKK coming to Ferguson looking to cause trouble and loaded for bear are both morally repugnant and wrong.
You, on the other hand, think the KKK is wrong and the Black Panthers are right.
Funny thing is, now media outlets, including the NY Times, are reporting that Wilson sustained a facial injury. Not to the degree Hoft provided. Yet.
Eventually, we’ll get to the truth. Unfortunately, Progressives like Jeff will not accept the truth. Much like with Zimmerman/Trayvon incident.