I rarely discuss conversations that I have had on the political forum I frequent, since it is somewhat like Vegas: what goes on there stays on there. However, there was an interesting discussion, which has sort of being on again off again for years, regarding the United f’ing Nations. All I simply wanted to know is why the Left supports the UN, despite the atrocities that the UN has been involved in, including the Oil For Food Scandal, sex and drugs parties, sexual abuse of children, turning a blind eye while 800,000 Rwandans were slaughtered, graft, bribery, allowing serial human rights abusing countries like Sudan on the Human Rights Commission, and so on.
The basic answer I got was lots of cut and pastes regarding the UN having "done good" in the past, and that they still do good. Followed almost immediately by standard "you lost" BS from the Left-side posters. I think that Tom at Hamstermotor has a pretty good grasp on the Left:
Why do liberals never seem to have the time to argue? The closest guess I have is that by saying their arguments will be rushed, they hope to awe people with the speed with which they can chant "Halliburton," and that the constant retreats indicate exactly what you’d think: cowardice and lack of actual arguments.
Quite true. Now, I do believe that the United Nations has done, and still does, some good. That’s a fact. There is no doubt in my mind that that is the case. However, do the good things that they have done, are doing, and will do, absolve them of the bad that they have done, are doing, and might do? Hell no.
I offered up this hypothetical (the Left hates them, unless it is them posting them): What if Mother Teresa had at one point in her life, killed some people in cold blood, just to watch them bleed to death. Would her lifetime of being a champion of human rights and goodness absolve her of that one action? No. They would have thrown her in jail. What do you think?
But, let’s put it in real terms. When the news of the Priest’s who were child molesters came to light, the Left was all over it. These were good people, except for those isolated actions. But the Left decried their actions (as well they should have) as did most people. A lifetime of positive actions was did not override their criminal actions. Nor should it.
So why does the Left excuse the actions of the UN? Is it shear partisan politics, since the Right wants to do something, from reshaping the UN to doing away with it, or at least throwing it out of the USA (yes, I am familiar with the terms of the land deed)? Is it just them being contrarian? What is it that makes them excuse the despicable actions of the UN?
The left are true idiots. They want to be everything opposite than the right…to the point they are a danger. The right tries to protect America, then the left try to undo it. Idiots.
I’ve pondered the same question for a long time and still don’t know the answer. It seems overly simplistic to say that some American leftists hate their country so much they favor anything that appears to oppose the U.S. Doesn’t matter whether it’s the UN, Palestinian terrorists, the French…whatever. Very sad, and very stupid.
I agree that the UN has done some good and can do some good in the future. But Lord knows, reform is needed.
Thanks for the link!
Read about the Bricker Amendment sometime.
I think the left is all about idealism and nothing about reality..and somehow the USA just can’t be right, no matter how much good we do or money we give away..
The left’s real motives are always hidden, they seek power, money and control for themselves while saying it’s for the “little guy”. It’s a shame, they end up costing everybody a lot more time and money and their game is out and out dangerous for America..they want to play nice while others are preparing to cut our throats.
I’m curious to hear what “good things” the UN has done in the past. In my not so humble opinion, the UN should be relegated to feeding the poor and providing medical help around the world. Anything more than that, and they’ll inevitably screw it up.
They were unable to stop the slaughter in Cambodia, in Rwanda, in the Sudan, in Kosovo; the pillaged the oil for food program in Iraq and they’ve done nothing but leach off the United States since the creation of the UN after WWII.
The UN is no more a viable organization than the Leauge of Nations was in the early 20th century, and should go the same route as the Leauge as well.