All Hail The Wonders Of Single Payer Medicine

This is what Progressives want, though, as they learned in California, there’s no way to actually pay for it. Not without drastic restrictions in service (via Twitchy)

Let’s take a brief look at the article, shall we?

One million patients a week cannot get appointments with GPs, amid the longest waiting times on record, new figures show.

Doctors said they were working “flat out” but under “unsustainable” pressure, leaving “worrying” numbers of patients without any help.

The NHS figures show the number waiting at least a week to see their GP has risen by 56 per cent in five years, with one in five now waiting this long.

The pressures left 11.3 per cent of patients unable to get an appointment at all – a 27 per cent rise since 2012. This amounts to around 47 million occasions on which patients attempted but failed to secure help from their GP, forcing them to give up, try again later or turn to Accident & Emergency departments.

The article doesn’t get any better from there. No silver linings. Just a rise in people who are unable to even get through on the phone, and many just giving up despite deteriorating health conditions. Yet, liberals keep telling us how great these systems are. Right up to the point where they are the ones having issues.

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32 Responses to “All Hail The Wonders Of Single Payer Medicine”

  1. david7134 says:

    Any country that has socialized medical care reduces the cost of medical expenditures by not allowing you to see the doctor or obtain testing. That is all that socialized care does. Now, if we really want to revolutionize medical care, then lets deregulate drugs. Most countries already do this. I have a friend that is in Germany and she needed Xanax refilled. Went to the German pharmacy and explained her situation and hoped that they would have a solution to getting a heavily controlled drug (in the US). The tech just showed her were it was on the shelf, she picked it up, paid the bill, that was it. How is the handled in the US? Need an appointment to see the doctor in 2 to 4 weeks, see the doctor and spend 30 minutes explaining about your issues and hope that he will prescribe something, anything. Get a prescription and go to the pharmacy. Prescription is checked and double checked with doctors office, entered into the computer that logs the purchase into a data base so that people can make sure you don’t go to another doctor to get the drug and to over see your activity. Then must ask the insurance company if the purchase is ok. One hour later you might get the drug, in very limited quantity, likely no refill. So, why don’t we make it that you can actually treat yourself if you desire? Get most all drugs without a prescription. That would eliminate at least half the people that I see. It would have a major influence on malpractice as now you are in charge of your care. It would reduce the ER load. Would some people be hurt, sure, but the system is not working now and people are getting hurt. Then buy insurance policies across state lines, eliminate doctor and drug discounts, everyone gets same price. Then get the government out of medial care, they are the ones driving the price up. Eliminate most medical administrators as that is directly correlated with high prices, not doctors, and they are not needed.

  2. Jeffery says:

    dave,

    Would you place age restrictions on free access to pharmaceuticals?

    Would you eliminate the FDA?

  3. david7134 says:

    Don’t exchange comments with fools.

  4. Jeffery says:

    dave pleads the fifth: Don’t exchange comments with fools

    You proposed a simplistic plan to deregulate drugs, which you claimed would lead to massive savings, yet won’t supply any details.

    Can a 16 yr old walk into WalMart and pick up the economy size bottle of oxycontin CR (10 mg)? Can she buy 5 bottles? If not, why?

    Would you totally deregulate antibiotics, so that everyone with a cold could buy antibiotics? Farmers have near unrestricted access to antibiotic feed additives… has that caused in problems?

    This is the problem when blind ideology drives policy.

  5. Jeffery says:

    dave,

    That was your last chance!

  6. Jeffery says:

    The US health care system costs about twice as much per person as any other advanced nation’s system. In addition, our system leaves millions of poor people outside the system leading to the premature deaths of tens of thousands of Americans.

    GOPKare proposes to cut costs by kicking even more millions out of the healthcare system, but rewarding the wealthy with the savings.

  7. Zachriel says:

    A Commonwealth Fund study found that 26 percent of U.S. adults surveyed said they waited a week or more for appointments. Of course, millions of Americans can’t get general healthcare at all because of cost and lack of insurance.

    • david7134 says:

      z,
      That is right and it is the reason to get rid of Obamacare, nice that you agree.

      • Zachriel says:

        ObamaCare ha reduced the uninsured population in the U.S. by about 20 million.

        • david7134 says:

          They have an insurance policy, but it does not cover a thing. Don’t argue with me on this one as you have no idea.

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: They have an insurance policy, but it does not cover a thing.

            That is incorrect. ObamaCare includes minimum coverage options. Millions of people are now receiving regular healthcare which they were denied in the past. Furthermore, the proposed healthcare bill in Congress would result in 20 million or more losing their insurance.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            …would result in 20 million or more losing their insurance.

            Or one could say 20 million or more won’t be forced to buy health insurance policies they don’t want or need.

          • Zachriel says:

            drowningpuppies: Or one could say 20 million or more won’t be forced to buy health insurance policies they don’t want or need.

            Funny!

            Most of the newly insured are the poor on the Medicaid expansion. And the vast majority of the rest can’t afford to self-insure.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            But you typed 20 million or more would be losing their insurance.

          • Zachriel says:

            drowningpuppies: But you typed 20 million or more would be losing their insurance.

            Under the proposed health insurance bill being considered by Republicans in Congress, yes. Most of those will lose insurance because of a rollback in the Medicaid expansion.

          • drowningpuppies says:

            Most of those will lose insurance because of a rollback in the Medicaid expansion.

            But you typed 20 million or more.
            Would you like to explain your numbers or did you just make them up?

          • david7134 says:

            Z,
            Give it up. You don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about, just a few liberal talking points. The fact is that when I see patients, I can certainly take their history,examine them and if they have a minor problem give a drug. With deregulation, they could do that without a doctor or nurse. But for the average sick individual, regardless of insurance, as mandated under I care, I have to get the insurance permission to do even The most simple test and they don’t give the permission. If someone goes to the hospital it is average of $7000 cash outlay, right then. No billing. The average individual can’t handle that. Hospitals used to work with the people but no longer. Wake up child.

          • Zachriel says:

            drowningpuppies: But you typed 20 million or more.

            Yes. Do you think the figure is in error?

            drowningpuppies: Would you like to explain your numbers or did you just make them up?

            https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52752

          • Zachriel says:

            david7134: If someone goes to the hospital it is average of $7000 cash outlay, right then. No billing. The average individual can’t handle that.

            That’s right. In the olden days, if you were poor and took your child to the doctor for a sore throat, he might prescribe honey and ginger, and the poor father might pay the doctor with a couple of chickens. While he might prefer cash, the doctor and his family can certainly use a chicken or two for Sunday supper. Of course, if there was a serious flu-related infection involved, the child could die, but that was the state of medicine in the olden days.

            Nowadays, that same flu-related infection may involve intensive care costing tens-of-thousands of dollars, but survival is much more likely. However, the poor father may not have thousands of chickens pecking around his yard, and even if he did, the extensive hospital staff, support personnel and equipment manufacturers required to treat the child may not have a need for thousands of chickens or a place to put them. Instead, the cost must be borne in cash. The good news is that the child may qualify for Medicaid, meaning the preventive care of a flu shot may forestall the necessity of trying to pay the hospital bill with thousands of chickens.

        • drowningpuppies says:

          The estimate is for 2026.
          Please!

          • Zachriel says:

            ObamaCare has decreased the number of uninsured in the U.S. by about 20 million. TrumpCare will increase the number of uninsured in the U.S. by about 20 million over the next ten years.

  8. david7134 says:

    Z,
    You don’t understand the difference between health care and health insurance. They are substantially different. By the way, I lost my healthcare insurance with Ocare and was forced on to medicare. Not real happy with the shoe shine boy.

    • Zachriel says:

      david7134: You don’t understand the difference between health care and health insurance.

      False.

      david7134: By the way, I lost my healthcare insurance with Ocare and was forced on to medicare.

      You can still buy individual insurance, but being old, you probably don’t want to know the cost.

      david7134: Not real happy with the shoe shine boy.

      Is that meant as a racist comment?

      • david7134 says:

        Z,
        I don’t give a flip of you think I am racist. But the shoe reference is what Bill Clinton called the worst president in our history, Obama. So, you don’t care if I lost better coverage, but you cry a river over the potential that others will, not knowing a thing about them. Fool.

  9. david7134 says:

    Z, is getting close to earning the fool monecure.

    • drowningpuppies says:

      Hard to say which one is more incoherent, little jeffuckery or Zzzz.
      It’s kinda tiring kicking them in the balls every day…

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