Comments on: AGW Today: 2009 Looking Quite A Bit Like Normal

By: John Ryan

John Ryan — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:51:51 +0000

Quick Otter check the internet !!! I am sure that there is some Scientist” somewhere maybe Russia or Australia who says that an Ice Age is just around the corner.
And Otter, ad hominem attacks are lame, just a heads up on that in case you had not heard

By: John Ryan

John Ryan — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:48:32 +0000

Teach If 2009 turns out as say the 6th warmest year (which is what is is up to Sept, will you say that this is evidence of global cooling because it was not THE hottest year ?

By: Reasic

Reasic — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:56:10 +0000

LOL, Otter. “fudged numbers”? Is that all you’ve got? No detailed debunking? Only a casual dismissal? Nice… Real scientific of you.

By: Reasic

Reasic — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:55:14 +0000

I was going to post something similar to John’s. In this post, Teach quotes the WCR, which says that “prior to 1998, there was little sign that anything unusual was going on with U.S. average temperatures.” As John said, we’re talking about GLOBAL warming. A quick peak at the GLOBAL temperature chart shows a clear warming trend well prior to 1998.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

I find it ironic, too, that Teach will mention the fact that an abnormally strong El Nino in 1998 resulted in a temperature anomaly, but then in another post, ignore that fact while stating that temperatures since that year have been lower. Way to use your selective memory, Teach. Only use arguments when they are convenient for you.

By: Otter

Otter — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:43:47 +0000

johnny likes fudged numbers.

By: John Ryan

John Ryan — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:08:42 +0000

No sorry TFmo NOAA has only released its data for the USA and yes it was cold, here in the USA However What we are talking about is GLOBAL climate change. Now would anyone care to go to that site, the National Climate Data Center you can see that so far this year the temps are looking like 2009 will be in the top 10 warmest years ever recorded. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/index.php#global_highlights
The global temps are usually released around the 17th of the month, but as you can see from looking at the last month recorded September that month was the 2nd warmest ever recorded.
Here id the analysis of the Global Climate to date this year that is from Jan to Sept. So far 2009 is ranked 6th warmest http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/index.php?report=global&year=2009&month=9
Itter the sun has been cool and dim with exceptionally low sunspot activity since the late 1990s this was when we have had most of the warmest years on record. The high record temps came during a period of low sun output which SHOULD have resulted in low temps but instead we got record highs.
2006 was the 5th warmest year on record 2007 is tied with 2006 I see no evidence of a cooling trend and this year 2009 the NCDC says is headed towards the 6th warmest. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/index.php?report=global&year=2008&month=ann
the last time we had a year with something close to average temps was in the mid 70s

By: TFMo

TFMo — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:06:55 +0000

Also note that more people, animals, and plants die from exposure to COLD than from heat. During warmer periods, flora and fauna both flourish (pardon the alliteration). This is why that chunk of ice in the middle of the north Atlantic is galled GREENLAND; when the first Viking settlers found it, it was during a warming trend. The land was fertile, excellent for farming, plenty of critters for hunting and herding, a virtual paradise.

Then the cooling trend started. Within a couple of generations, the lush paradise turned colder than Nancy Pelosi’s side of the bed. Vegetation died, then the herbivores, then the carnivores, then the humans.

AND THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE OR SMOKESTACK TO BLAME.

By: Otter

Otter — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:25:46 +0000

The sun has been very quiet since 2006… which oddly enough, just happens to correspond with the start of the cooling trend. Cycle 24 still has not gotten officially started. And if the sun remains spotless just a few weeks longer, it will come close to the longest period since… the Little Ice Age. Great fun!

One might think the sun actually had something to do with climate, and not the continually-rising CO2, which has gone up 5% since 1998.

By: TFMo

TFMo — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:21:07 +0000

Just a little addendum, NOAA just announced the month of October as being the third coldest on record.

Global Warming, my ass. No wonder they had to change the name to Climate Change; if it’s cold, it’s Climate Change. If it’s hot, it’s Climate Change. Partly cloudy, patchy fog, light drizzle, gee-it’s-a-lovely-day-we-must-be-DOOOOOMED!!!