We will win this because we are willing to fight harder and longer to end torture and punish those responsible than you are to continue using it or to defend the scumbags who ordered it.

We’re willing to wait a decade or two, at which point you will have moved-on to the latest faux liberal conspiracy du jour and will not have the energy to fight old battles.

“Individuals undergoing SERE training are obviously in a very different situation from detainees undergoing interrogation; SERE trainees know it is part of a training program,” Bradbury wrote, borrowing from the IG
report’s conclusion.
All 4 branches of the military had strong reservations about this and said so but were over ruled by the DOD civilians.

_ Waterboarding terrorist suspects also differed substantially from its limited use in the SERE program.

Quoting from the IG report, Bradbury wrote, “The waterboard technique . . . was different from the technique described in the DOJ opinion and used in the SERE training . . . At the SERE school . . . the subject’s airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency interrogator . . . applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee’s mouth and nose.”
And when the policies of detainee abuse became public knowledege here in the USA (of course in Iraq and elsewhere it was already known) the officail line was a few bad apples and the enlisted men took the fall and did the time for following the policies given to them from above.

The soldiers were responding to a tip-off that the eldest of the three, who was in her forties, had been indoctrinating women to sacrifice themselves in Chechnya’s ferocious war between Islamic militants and the Russians. The others captured with her were her latest recruits. One was barely 15.

“At first the older one denied everything,” said a senior special forces officer last week. “Then we roughed her up and gave her electric shocks. She provided us with good information. Once we were done with her we shot her in the head.

“We disposed of her body in a field. We placed an artillery shell between her legs and one over her chest, added several 200-gram TNT blocks and blew her to smithereens. The trick is to make sure absolutely nothing is left. No body, no proof, no problem.” The technique was known as pulverisation.

The young recruits were taken away by another unit for further interrogation before they, too, were executed.

And the war in Chechnya was brutal, with the Islamic fanatics taking captured Russian soldiers and butchering them on video. I’m not sure if these Spetznaz guys are being for real or if they’re the Russian version of Scott Beauchamp. But given the brutality on the both sides, I’m more inclined to believe it.

As far as how this affects America, remember when our soldiers bodies were brutalized and butchered. Remember when we made detainees at Abu Ghraib get naked and make a man-pyramid and used dogs to scare them? Remember when we pretended to electrocute them? Remember? And the advanced interrogation techniques the left continuously props up as crimes against humanity and torture? Where were their cries of torture as our servicemen and women went through similar “torture” as part of their training? (Note: The left then dismisses SERE training because the trainees know it will end and it isn’t to the same “level” as to cross the magical “torture line”. How very convenient for them to draw that line in the nuanced sand.)

While I don’t necessarily believe in the actions of Abu Ghraib, they didn’t make our enemies want to chop our heads off any more or less. They just used it as an excuse for their perpetual outrage. And the left is joining America’s enemies in spreading the propaganda while ignoring, or paying lip service to and then dismissing as our fault as well, the atrocities of the other side.

H/T Six Meat Buffet.

And it seems that the author wants to focus on the volume/intensity of the “torture” endured by our service men and the apparent line that was crossed somewhere in the left’s fevered-collective-minds with the terrorists. Our service people didn’t face EXACTLY the same amount of the advanced interrogation techniques, so its irrelevant in the discussion.

How convenient for you guys to have it declared such. Once again the level of bull$h!t nuance the progressives show blows the mind…

In fact, if I were captured by today’s enemy, I would only WISH that they would waterboard me and make me sleep in a small box. No, I would expect to be tortured and beat, then have my head sawed off in front of a camera with dull knife.

Your faux outrage at this “torture” doesn’t impress me, and in fact, makes me quite ill as it seems the left, once again, is siding with Americas enemies (surprise) for political leverage… 8-}