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	<title>Comments on: Obama, Golf, Palestinian Lobbyists</title>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/12/30/obama-golf-palestinian-lobbyists/comment-page-1/#comment-121459</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that, damozel. Bad Behavior (it&#039;s a protection plugin) must have eaten it. It wasn&#039;t in Akismet when I checked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that, damozel. Bad Behavior (it&#8217;s a protection plugin) must have eaten it. It wasn&#8217;t in Akismet when I checked.</p>
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		<title>By: damozel</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/12/30/obama-golf-palestinian-lobbyists/comment-page-1/#comment-121457</link>
		<dc:creator>damozel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am writing this comment again because the one I wrote the same time disappeared with no note that it was in moderation or anything, and I wanted to make sure this came through.  It&#039;s important to me because you completely mischaracterized what I said.

I am pro-Israel and do NOT in any way support Hamas.  I don&#039;t think this was the right course of action for Israel or that it will have the desired outcome.  As history shows, meeting violence with violence just ensures more of the same.  

Because Hamas is always wrong, it does not follow that Israel is always right.  But of course the automatic response of the right to the threat is fear followed by anger followed by the desire for vengeance---never mind whether vengeance brings more of the same, as history has proved time and time again it does.

I realize that line-drawing is anathema to the far right, but surely at some level you can see that it&#039;s possible for both sides to be wrong. 

It&#039;s true I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas---I shouldn&#039;t have to explain why that is. In defending themselves, civilized societies have to stand as an example or else people will see them as no better than those who do them harm.   

And yes, I do deplore the &quot;collateral damage&quot; which has ensued---it&#039;s saddening that Palestinian children are dying along with their parents, whatever role their parents may have played.  What can I say?  I&#039;m a Quaker.  The innocent die along with the guilty, and those who survive live to take revenge, but I don&#039;t believe that this is what God wants or intends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am writing this comment again because the one I wrote the same time disappeared with no note that it was in moderation or anything, and I wanted to make sure this came through.  It&#8217;s important to me because you completely mischaracterized what I said.</p>
<p>I am pro-Israel and do NOT in any way support Hamas.  I don&#8217;t think this was the right course of action for Israel or that it will have the desired outcome.  As history shows, meeting violence with violence just ensures more of the same.  </p>
<p>Because Hamas is always wrong, it does not follow that Israel is always right.  But of course the automatic response of the right to the threat is fear followed by anger followed by the desire for vengeance&#8212;never mind whether vengeance brings more of the same, as history has proved time and time again it does.</p>
<p>I realize that line-drawing is anathema to the far right, but surely at some level you can see that it&#8217;s possible for both sides to be wrong. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true I hold Israel to a higher standard than Hamas&#8212;I shouldn&#8217;t have to explain why that is. In defending themselves, civilized societies have to stand as an example or else people will see them as no better than those who do them harm.   </p>
<p>And yes, I do deplore the &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; which has ensued&#8212;it&#8217;s saddening that Palestinian children are dying along with their parents, whatever role their parents may have played.  What can I say?  I&#8217;m a Quaker.  The innocent die along with the guilty, and those who survive live to take revenge, but I don&#8217;t believe that this is what God wants or intends.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/12/30/obama-golf-palestinian-lobbyists/comment-page-1/#comment-121449</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered what you meant by the Dodgers comment before, Riggworld, forgot to answer. Go Blue! They might not keep Manny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered what you meant by the Dodgers comment before, Riggworld, forgot to answer. Go Blue! They might not keep Manny.</p>
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		<title>By: riggword</title>
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		<dc:creator>riggword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Obama is a golf snob.
His brother in law is a basketball coach.

But does Obama like baseball?

That is the question.

By the way I am also a Dodger fan and both of my comments have had dodgers as the security word.

Thanks for that,
riggword</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Obama is a golf snob.<br />
His brother in law is a basketball coach.</p>
<p>But does Obama like baseball?</p>
<p>That is the question.</p>
<p>By the way I am also a Dodger fan and both of my comments have had dodgers as the security word.</p>
<p>Thanks for that,<br />
riggword</p>
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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Collision Course &#171; Riggword Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/12/30/obama-golf-palestinian-lobbyists/comment-page-1/#comment-121445</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama&#8217;s Collision Course &#171; Riggword Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this from Pirate&#8217;s cove: Prior to leaving for the course at about 11 a.m., a group of five people approached the security [...]</description>
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