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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m With Fred</title>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112244</link>
		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teach, I don’t see how what Thompson proposed on Hannity &amp; Comes differs from what McCain proposed.  If that is what you are calling amnesty – then they are both for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teach, I don’t see how what Thompson proposed on Hannity &amp; Comes differs from what McCain proposed.  If that is what you are calling amnesty – then they are both for it.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112240</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, electable doesn&#039;t mean best candidate. Personally, I would prefer the best candidate, someone who most closely matches my core values and beliefs.

Silke, yes, we do have to deal with the illegal issue. But, it is not by giving them amnesty, which is what McCain was pushing.

I understand what you are saying about Iraq, Ogre. I do not think we should be staying there for years and decades, except with a quick reaction force, if the Iraqi&#039;s let us. If we can just give them a little more time for stability and political progress, I believe we can really start pulling out by mid 2008. I just don&#039;t think the time is now.

Sorry the response took so long, Bad Behavior fragged me on my own blog :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, electable doesn&#8217;t mean best candidate. Personally, I would prefer the best candidate, someone who most closely matches my core values and beliefs.</p>
<p>Silke, yes, we do have to deal with the illegal issue. But, it is not by giving them amnesty, which is what McCain was pushing.</p>
<p>I understand what you are saying about Iraq, Ogre. I do not think we should be staying there for years and decades, except with a quick reaction force, if the Iraqi&#8217;s let us. If we can just give them a little more time for stability and political progress, I believe we can really start pulling out by mid 2008. I just don&#8217;t think the time is now.</p>
<p>Sorry the response took so long, Bad Behavior fragged me on my own blog <img src='http://www.thepiratescove.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112233</link>
		<dc:creator>Ogre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;re pretty right on that analysis, Teach (as usual).  I do have a couple issues with Fred as mentioned -- his support of some rather poor positions and him explaining it away as &quot;just doing a job.&quot;  But I&#039;ll tell you, I could actually vote for Fred -- which I can&#039;t say about Rudy, McCain, or Romney.

I do still like Paul better.  As folks here already pointed out, Paul agrees with you on your big issues.  And please -- he is absolutely NOT isolationist in any way, shape or form.  He wants to trade with, talk to, and do other stuff with everyone else on the planet -- he just don&#039;t want to use our military to tell them how to live their lives.

I also have reached the point where I think leaving Iraq now isn&#039;t surrender.  Didn&#039;t we already win?  Aren&#039;t we done?  Sure, we&#039;ve made progress, but I don&#039;t see anyone on the right or left, outlining when we&#039;ll be done.  Bush makes it sound like we won&#039;t be done until every Al-Queda goat lover is dead.  That&#039;s going to be decades or centuries.  I don&#039;t want troops in Iraq in 3007.  I think we&#039;ve won, we&#039;re done, now it&#039;s time to come home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re pretty right on that analysis, Teach (as usual).  I do have a couple issues with Fred as mentioned &#8212; his support of some rather poor positions and him explaining it away as &#8220;just doing a job.&#8221;  But I&#8217;ll tell you, I could actually vote for Fred &#8212; which I can&#8217;t say about Rudy, McCain, or Romney.</p>
<p>I do still like Paul better.  As folks here already pointed out, Paul agrees with you on your big issues.  And please &#8212; he is absolutely NOT isolationist in any way, shape or form.  He wants to trade with, talk to, and do other stuff with everyone else on the planet &#8212; he just don&#8217;t want to use our military to tell them how to live their lives.</p>
<p>I also have reached the point where I think leaving Iraq now isn&#8217;t surrender.  Didn&#8217;t we already win?  Aren&#8217;t we done?  Sure, we&#8217;ve made progress, but I don&#8217;t see anyone on the right or left, outlining when we&#8217;ll be done.  Bush makes it sound like we won&#8217;t be done until every Al-Queda goat lover is dead.  That&#8217;s going to be decades or centuries.  I don&#8217;t want troops in Iraq in 3007.  I think we&#8217;ve won, we&#8217;re done, now it&#8217;s time to come home.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112224</link>
		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Teach said: But, I just cannot abide his illegal immigration stances.&lt;/b&gt;

From what I can tell McCain’s position is not that different from Fred Thompson’s.

After the bill McCain supported was defeated I think he realized that securing the boarder is the first step to real immigration reform.  He has backed off from his position on what to do with those illegal immigrants who are already here.  But even Thompson realizes that eventually you will have to deal with that issue:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[B]ecause we allowed ourselves to wait until we woke up one day and found 12 million illegals here, there&#039;s no easy solution. And I think that you have to realize that you&#039;re either going to drive 12 million people underground permanently, which is not a good solution. You&#039;re going to get them all together and get them out of the country, which is not going to happen. Or you&#039;re going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship, but not make it so easy that it&#039;s unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law.&quot; (Fox News&#039; &quot;Hannity &amp; Colmes,&quot; 4/3/06)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/fred-thompson-no-restrictionist.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Teach said: But, I just cannot abide his illegal immigration stances.</b></p>
<p>From what I can tell McCain’s position is not that different from Fred Thompson’s.</p>
<p>After the bill McCain supported was defeated I think he realized that securing the boarder is the first step to real immigration reform.  He has backed off from his position on what to do with those illegal immigrants who are already here.  But even Thompson realizes that eventually you will have to deal with that issue:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[B]ecause we allowed ourselves to wait until we woke up one day and found 12 million illegals here, there&#8217;s no easy solution. And I think that you have to realize that you&#8217;re either going to drive 12 million people underground permanently, which is not a good solution. You&#8217;re going to get them all together and get them out of the country, which is not going to happen. Or you&#8217;re going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship, but not make it so easy that it&#8217;s unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law.&#8221; (Fox News&#8217; &#8220;Hannity &amp; Colmes,&#8221; 4/3/06)</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/fred-thompson-no-restrictionist.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/fred-thompson-no-restrictionist.html</a></p>
<p>Do you agree with Thompson, Teach?</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats are going to nominate that person that they consider to be the most electable.
If you think that Fred is electable I strongly advise you to put some money down on him he is currently posting 75-1 odds at www.intrade.com the largest political futures board.
If Fred is nominated he will have to do some explanation of some of his clients  that he choose to represent as an attorney. The  3 biggest problems that I know about are #1 representing a pro abortion group
#2 criminal defense of the Libyans who were eventually convicted of blowing up the Pan Am flight over Scotland
#3 representing one of the Westboro Church members in a suit against the than Attorney General of AR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats are going to nominate that person that they consider to be the most electable.<br />
If you think that Fred is electable I strongly advise you to put some money down on him he is currently posting 75-1 odds at <a href="http://www.intrade.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.intrade.com</a> the largest political futures board.<br />
If Fred is nominated he will have to do some explanation of some of his clients  that he choose to represent as an attorney. The  3 biggest problems that I know about are #1 representing a pro abortion group<br />
#2 criminal defense of the Libyans who were eventually convicted of blowing up the Pan Am flight over Scotland<br />
#3 representing one of the Westboro Church members in a suit against the than Attorney General of AR</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112212</link>
		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teach, McCain doesn’t defend GITMO.  He wants to close it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s

In my mind illegal immigration is not as important as the war in Iraq.  McCain’s credentials far exceed all other candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teach, McCain doesn’t defend GITMO.  He wants to close it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Co7x3A12s</a></p>
<p>In my mind illegal immigration is not as important as the war in Iraq.  McCain’s credentials far exceed all other candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112207</link>
		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I won&#039;t say that McCain doesn&#039;t have some very good points. I particularly like the way he fights against those who want to retreat from Iraq and how he defends Gitmo. But, I just cannot abide his illegal immigration stances. If necessary, I could live with him.

As far as Paul goes, yes, he too has good points. But his retreat and defeat stance, his isolationist stance, and his failure to repudiate his Truther and white supremacist followers have turned me against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I won&#8217;t say that McCain doesn&#8217;t have some very good points. I particularly like the way he fights against those who want to retreat from Iraq and how he defends Gitmo. But, I just cannot abide his illegal immigration stances. If necessary, I could live with him.</p>
<p>As far as Paul goes, yes, he too has good points. But his retreat and defeat stance, his isolationist stance, and his failure to repudiate his Truther and white supremacist followers have turned me against him.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112199</link>
		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is my top choice because he has been right on the war in Iraq and he shows true moral leadership on the issue of waterboarding.  But I do like Fred Thompson – particularly his stand on fiscal policy.  He rightly points out that lower taxes, without cuts in spending, just means we are barrowing more (not spending less).  He is the only Republican candidate to bring up Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.  Hard choices are going to have to be made and he is the only one talking about it on the Republican side.   

As for his environment positions, this is from his website:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Increasing our energy independence and investing in alternative energy sources will also produce a healthier environment. And while we don’t know for certain how or why climate change is occurring, it makes sense to take reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions without harming our economy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues

Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is my top choice because he has been right on the war in Iraq and he shows true moral leadership on the issue of waterboarding.  But I do like Fred Thompson – particularly his stand on fiscal policy.  He rightly points out that lower taxes, without cuts in spending, just means we are barrowing more (not spending less).  He is the only Republican candidate to bring up Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.  Hard choices are going to have to be made and he is the only one talking about it on the Republican side.   </p>
<p>As for his environment positions, this is from his website:</p>
<blockquote><p>Increasing our energy independence and investing in alternative energy sources will also produce a healthier environment. And while we don’t know for certain how or why climate change is occurring, it makes sense to take reasonable steps to reduce CO2 emissions without harming our economy.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues" rel="nofollow">http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues</a></p>
<p>Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....

1.  Low Taxes - Ron Paul wants no income tax and a return to year 2000 spending levels

2.  Small Government - Ron Paul is advocating the smallest federal government of any candidate

3.  Tough on illegal immigration - Paul&#039;s first and foremost solution is to secure the borders with no amnesty.

4.  Strong on National Security - well, it seems that alex has pointed you in the right direction.

Ron Paul is the leader on each issue that is most important to you.  But who are we kidding, the real &#039;will and moral courage of free men and women&#039; is best embodied in faulting a candidate through guilt by association and swallowing whatever package the mainstream media feeds to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>1.  Low Taxes &#8211; Ron Paul wants no income tax and a return to year 2000 spending levels</p>
<p>2.  Small Government &#8211; Ron Paul is advocating the smallest federal government of any candidate</p>
<p>3.  Tough on illegal immigration &#8211; Paul&#8217;s first and foremost solution is to secure the borders with no amnesty.</p>
<p>4.  Strong on National Security &#8211; well, it seems that alex has pointed you in the right direction.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is the leader on each issue that is most important to you.  But who are we kidding, the real &#8216;will and moral courage of free men and women&#8217; is best embodied in faulting a candidate through guilt by association and swallowing whatever package the mainstream media feeds to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Merced</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/12/04/im-with-fred/comment-page-1/#comment-112193</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Merced</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.politicallore.com/?p=99

that actually demonstrated why Ron Paul is the toughest on terror</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.politicallore.com/?p=99" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicallore.com/?p=99</a></p>
<p>that actually demonstrated why Ron Paul is the toughest on terror</p>
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