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	<title>Comments on: TLF: Paul Continues Defeatism, Isolationism + Hillary Plant!</title>
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		<title>By: The Florida Masochist</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/11/29/tlf-paul-continues-defeatism-isolationism-hillary-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-112012</link>
		<dc:creator>The Florida Masochist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Knuckleheads of the Day award...&lt;/strong&gt;

Today&#039;s winners are Jason Coskrey and his employer The Japan Times....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Knuckleheads of the Day award&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Today&#8217;s winners are Jason Coskrey and his employer The Japan Times&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: darthcrUSAderworldtour2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>darthcrUSAderworldtour2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep that BG Keith Kerr out of my cockpit!
He may feel warm in a &#039;fox hole&#039;... but not on my flight deck!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep that BG Keith Kerr out of my cockpit!<br />
He may feel warm in a &#8216;fox hole&#8217;&#8230; but not on my flight deck!!</p>
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		<title>By: 600 Things Caused by Global Warming &#171; Wolf Pangloss</title>
		<link>http://www.thepiratescove.us/2007/11/29/tlf-paul-continues-defeatism-isolationism-hillary-plant/comment-page-1/#comment-112005</link>
		<dc:creator>600 Things Caused by Global Warming &#171; Wolf Pangloss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Perri Nelson&#8217;s Website, Rosemary&#8217;s Thoughts, Allie is Wired, Adam&#8217;s Blog, Pirate&#8217;s Cove, Cao&#8217;s Blog, Dumb Ox Daily News, High Desert Wanderer, and Pursuing Holiness, thanks to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Perri Nelson&#8217;s Website, Rosemary&#8217;s Thoughts, Allie is Wired, Adam&#8217;s Blog, Pirate&#8217;s Cove, Cao&#8217;s Blog, Dumb Ox Daily News, High Desert Wanderer, and Pursuing Holiness, thanks to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 123beta</title>
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		<dc:creator>123beta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;My Name Is Mohammed The Bear...&lt;/strong&gt;

Available at CafePress. Per CafePress: This bear is designed for all the people who think Gillian Gibbons, the British school teacher in Sudan who named a teddy bear ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>My Name Is Mohammed The Bear&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Available at CafePress. Per CafePress: This bear is designed for all the people who think Gillian Gibbons, the British school teacher in Sudan who named a teddy bear &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silke, having served, you should know that you cannot legislate peoples thoughts on the matter. You can put the regs in the UCMJ, but that will not change peoples thoughts and feelings, which, yes, they are entitled to. Having openly gay males in the military, no matter how good they may be at their jobs, will damage unit cohesion, and you know lots and lots of young men who would otherwise join will decline that career path, and lots of others will not reenlist. You just cannot force a change going against hundreds and hundreds of years of esprit de corps.

There has to be trust, and, face it, most men do not feel that trust being in close contact with gay men. Of course, all the typical slurs will be thrown at those who are not comfortable around gay men. The military is not a place to be playing with social experiments like this. Perhaps, one day, they will be accepted.

Quinn, I disagree with comment #9. I am a hetero, and, quite frankly, feel very uncomfortable even seeing two gay men holding hands. However, in this issue, they are Americans, and deserve, if not a live and let live attitude, at least tolerance. Such is my opinion. You are entitled to yours. We will have to disagree on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silke, having served, you should know that you cannot legislate peoples thoughts on the matter. You can put the regs in the UCMJ, but that will not change peoples thoughts and feelings, which, yes, they are entitled to. Having openly gay males in the military, no matter how good they may be at their jobs, will damage unit cohesion, and you know lots and lots of young men who would otherwise join will decline that career path, and lots of others will not reenlist. You just cannot force a change going against hundreds and hundreds of years of esprit de corps.</p>
<p>There has to be trust, and, face it, most men do not feel that trust being in close contact with gay men. Of course, all the typical slurs will be thrown at those who are not comfortable around gay men. The military is not a place to be playing with social experiments like this. Perhaps, one day, they will be accepted.</p>
<p>Quinn, I disagree with comment #9. I am a hetero, and, quite frankly, feel very uncomfortable even seeing two gay men holding hands. However, in this issue, they are Americans, and deserve, if not a live and let live attitude, at least tolerance. Such is my opinion. You are entitled to yours. We will have to disagree on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think McCain did well overall I thought his remarks to Ron Paul about isolationism and WWII were off the mark.  This post at Eunomia gives a good explanation of why…

http://larison.org/2007/11/28/isolationism/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think McCain did well overall I thought his remarks to Ron Paul about isolationism and WWII were off the mark.  This post at Eunomia gives a good explanation of why…</p>
<p><a href="http://larison.org/2007/11/28/isolationism/" rel="nofollow">http://larison.org/2007/11/28/isolationism/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;teach&lt;/b&gt; said:

&quot;And, BTW, I do not agree with or endorse the above comment by Quinn.&quot;

You don&#039;t agree or endorse any of it?

So, are you telling me that when you go to a restaurant to eat and some gay waiter comes up and starts telling you what the specials are in an intentional gay lisp that you don&#039;t get nauseous or lose your appetite a little from his expressing that he sucks cock and let&#039;s other guys ram their dicks up his ass?

I&#039;m a normal, healthy guy who is turned off and disturbed from enduring a gay lisp that exists ONLY for the purpose of telling those within earshot &quot;I SUCK COCK AND WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW IT AND ACCEPT MY BEHAVIOR!!&quot;

And the great tragedy is that homos reproduce by molesting children as Carl Maves admits:

&quot;How many gay men, I wonder, would have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience, one that initiated them into their sexuality, if it weren&#039;t for so-called molestation?&quot; (See the full article titled, &quot;Getting Over It&quot; in &lt;i&gt;The Advocate&lt;/i&gt;, May 5, 1992, page 85.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>teach</b> said:</p>
<p>&#8220;And, BTW, I do not agree with or endorse the above comment by Quinn.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t agree or endorse any of it?</p>
<p>So, are you telling me that when you go to a restaurant to eat and some gay waiter comes up and starts telling you what the specials are in an intentional gay lisp that you don&#8217;t get nauseous or lose your appetite a little from his expressing that he sucks cock and let&#8217;s other guys ram their dicks up his ass?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a normal, healthy guy who is turned off and disturbed from enduring a gay lisp that exists ONLY for the purpose of telling those within earshot &#8220;I SUCK COCK AND WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW IT AND ACCEPT MY BEHAVIOR!!&#8221;</p>
<p>And the great tragedy is that homos reproduce by molesting children as Carl Maves admits:</p>
<p>&#8220;How many gay men, I wonder, would have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience, one that initiated them into their sexuality, if it weren&#8217;t for so-called molestation?&#8221; (See the full article titled, &#8220;Getting Over It&#8221; in <i>The Advocate</i>, May 5, 1992, page 85.)</p>
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		<title>By: Silke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teach, I do see your point but I respectfully disagree.  Everyone in the military has a right not to be the object of inappropriate sexual advances be they homosexual or heterosexual ones.  But that is a conduct issue not an issue of sexual orientation.  I was in the military for six years and even in the field and on deployments the showers are not communal showers.  They are individual stalls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teach, I do see your point but I respectfully disagree.  Everyone in the military has a right not to be the object of inappropriate sexual advances be they homosexual or heterosexual ones.  But that is a conduct issue not an issue of sexual orientation.  I was in the military for six years and even in the field and on deployments the showers are not communal showers.  They are individual stalls.</p>
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		<title>By: William Teach</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, while I do not approve of homosexuality, I support their right to be who they want to be. This is America, land of the free. Just because I do not like something does not mean I can ban it. I have no problem with gay civil unions, though I am against gay marriage. 

The problem with openly gay men in the military is one of cohesion of force. Most men will not be comfortable taking showers and sleeping in the same area as a gay man. You can spin it all you want, but, such is human nature. What you are doing is forcing YOUR viewpoint down the throats of those who have a different opinion. 

And, BTW, I do not agree with or endorse the above comment by Quinn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, while I do not approve of homosexuality, I support their right to be who they want to be. This is America, land of the free. Just because I do not like something does not mean I can ban it. I have no problem with gay civil unions, though I am against gay marriage. </p>
<p>The problem with openly gay men in the military is one of cohesion of force. Most men will not be comfortable taking showers and sleeping in the same area as a gay man. You can spin it all you want, but, such is human nature. What you are doing is forcing YOUR viewpoint down the throats of those who have a different opinion. </p>
<p>And, BTW, I do not agree with or endorse the above comment by Quinn.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary's Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosemary's Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Another would-be terrorist convicted...&lt;/strong&gt;

Back in the day when you stole a man&#039;s horse, they hanged you. Today? You can give material aid to our enemies and what happens? Nuradin Abdi only has to wait 10 years before he can carry out his plan! What the hell? I am living in the Twillight Zone....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another would-be terrorist convicted&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Back in the day when you stole a man&#8217;s horse, they hanged you. Today? You can give material aid to our enemies and what happens? Nuradin Abdi only has to wait 10 years before he can carry out his plan! What the hell? I am living in the Twillight Zone&#8230;.</p>
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