Comments on: Global Warming: Light Bulbs And The Goracle

By: Big White Hat

Big White Hat — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:22:53 +0000

How many losers like Gore does it take to change a light bulb?

None. They just guilt trip stupid people into doing it.

By: Silke

Silke — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:24:46 +0000

Teach said: It was warmer in the 1930’s here in the US, wasn’t it.

No – not even according to the data you cite.

Teach said: You say that it is a complex system with many factors above, yet you are following the line that it is only Man’s fault. Which is it?

“Changes in the atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases and aerosols, in solar radiation and in land surface properties alter the energy balance of the climate system. These changes are expressed in terms of radiative forcing, which is used to compare how a range of human and natural factors drive warming or cooling influences on global climate.
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Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values determined from ice cores spanning many thousands of years. The global increases in carbon dioxide concentration are due primarily to fossil fuel use and land-use change, while those of methane and nitrous oxide are primarily due to agriculture.”

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf

By: William Teach

William Teach — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:41:08 +0000

Ah, from the wayback machine. It was warmer in the 1930’s here in the US, wasn’t it.

You say that it is a complex system with many factors above, yet you are following the line that it is only Man’s fault. Which is it?

By: Silke

Silke — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:28:30 +0000

Teach said: Can you point out where I made the original assertion? Thanks.

Sure, the post is “Beer Monday Linkfest: Wacky Anti-Global Warming Ideas” posted on March 19th, 2007.

Here’s what you said in the last paragraph: “Instead of worrying about a silly natural occurence (did you know that the 30’s were warmer then it is today?) caused by mostly natural effects (somehow I always have to prove that the Sun is actually hot), why not deal with real environmental issues, like the true pollutants put out by passenger vehicles?”

http://www.thepiratescove.us/?p=3632

Teach said: Second, why is it impossible for you to believe that natural forces can have an effect on the global climate?

Of course natural forces have an effect, but the global climate is a complex system and there are many factors to consider.

By: Doug Harvey

Doug Harvey — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:43:10 +0000

The great thing about this is, for me, it’s the ultimate role reversal. After years of working hard, keeping my nose to the grindstone, missing parties, studying, and sweating, thousands of my dollars are taken from me every year to support those who did none of that.

So, I declare myself environmentally challenged. I’d like to cut my emissions but I’m just not responsible enough. No matter, the rest of the world should be able to conserve enough to counter balance my bad habits. I’ll just cruise for now, on environmental welfare.

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By: William Teach

William Teach — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:18:10 +0000

Can you point out where I made the original assertion? Thanks.

Second, why is it impossible for you to believe that natural forces can have an effect on the global climate?

By: Silke

Silke — Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:01:38 +0000

Teach, the climate data you linked to doesn’t support your earlier assertion “that the 30’s were warmer then it is today” – nor is it relevant to global climate change since it only covers the U.S.

By: William Teach

William Teach — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:17:05 +0000

You brought up the 30’s, I provided you with climatic data from the USA. If you can’t face facts, I do not know what else to say.

Just keep on believing that it is all Man’s fault and citing a purely political report, ie, the IPCC one. Ignore natural forces, which have changed the Earth more then anything else.

By: Silke

Silke — Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:31:53 +0000

Teach said: BTW, since Silke brought it up, why not take a gander at this website by the National Climatic Data Center, and compare temperatures in the 1930’s to today?

First of all, this is U.S. data, not global average temperatures. Second, I looked at the data and still could not find what you are talking about it.

Here are two resources that contradict what you are saying:
Page 6 figure SPM-3 (Global average temperature)
http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png